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Offline Mike M  
#201 Posted : 02 March 2017 18:46:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
First batch of 39042 BR42 will be ready to shipping next week.

Dumb Question? What is "Storelok" Is this available to anybody or just Marklin insider club members?
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Offline steventrain  
#202 Posted : 02 March 2017 19:26:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
First batch of 39042 BR42 will be ready to shipping next week.

Dumb Question? What is "Storelok" Is this available to anybody or just Marklin insider club members?


Storelok only available from Marklin store But may be on ebay.de listing.

Märklin Store Essen
Inh. Jens Kürvers Limbecker Platz 1
45127 Essen

Märklin Store
Theis Modellbahn Weisenau GmbH Wormser Str. 59
55130 Mainz

Märklin Store Stuttgart
Inh. Jens Kürvers Löffelstr. 22
70597 Stuttgart

Märklin Store München
im Kaufhaus Karstadt Bahnhofplatz 7
80335 München

Märklin Store Neustadt
modellbahn-neustadt Herzog-Ludwig-Str. 27
93333 Neustadt/Donau

Marklin Store
di Luca Micheli - Toytrains Via A. Locatelli 44
24121 Bergamo / ITALIEN

Märklin Store Utrecht
H/O Kuijpers Hobbyhuis Minrebroederstraat 26
3512 GT Utrecht / NIEDERLANDE

Märklin Store Amsterdam Parnassusweg 203
1077 DG Amsterdam / NIEDERLANDE
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Offline Mike M  
#203 Posted : 02 March 2017 20:41:10(UTC)
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Thank you for clarifying that.

Edited by moderator 19 March 2017 23:29:09(UTC)  | Reason: Deleted unnecessary [/quote]

Offline steventrain  
#204 Posted : 19 March 2017 22:30:19(UTC)
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Manual now available online view PDF for 39042 and 39225.

>39042 MANUAL<

>39225 MANUAL< All 32 functions!
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Offline foumaro  
#205 Posted : 20 March 2017 08:50:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Manual now available online view PDF for 39042 and 39225.

>39042 MANUAL<

>39225 MANUAL< All 32 functions!



My favorite five pole DCM motor for the perfect 39225.LOL ThumpUp
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Offline petestra  
#206 Posted : 20 March 2017 12:13:25(UTC)
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The instructions for the 39225 seem to be not correct for a "39" series motor. These instructions shown are the same for my twin Lok set 37225

which are the E194 and E94 Loks which have brushes. Peter Confused
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Offline foumaro  
#207 Posted : 20 March 2017 12:26:28(UTC)
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My 39621 F7 Great Northern have two five pole motors.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#208 Posted : 20 March 2017 14:42:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
The instructions for the 39225 seem to be not correct for a "39" series motor. These instructions shown are the same for my twin Lok set 37225

which are the E194 and E94 Loks which have brushes. Peter Confused


Since the demise of the C-Sine motor the 39xxx designation just seems to mean 'more expensive version' ...

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#209 Posted : 24 March 2017 17:52:14(UTC)
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Well, it seems Marklin are taking orders for the Infotage Loco - I have been told it will not be available for 4-6 weeks, and there have been a number of Infotage days over the last three months, so there must be a backlog of deliveries to be made ...

Offline kimballthurlow  
#210 Posted : 24 March 2017 21:55:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
The instructions for the 39225 seem to be not correct for a "39" series motor. These instructions shown are the same for my twin Lok set 37225

which are the E194 and E94 Loks which have brushes. Peter Confused


Since the demise of the C-Sine motor the 39xxx designation just seems to mean 'more expensive version' ...



Hi all,
Of course I may not be able to see the big picture, but to my eye the number series used by Marklin are completely meaningless to the customer.
They are probably meaningful to the factory, and may relate to product sourcing, shift responsibilities, or release schedules. Who knows?
I have never worked in a manufacturing environment.

regards
Kimball
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Offline H0  
#211 Posted : 24 March 2017 22:42:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Of course I may not be able to see the big picture, but to my eye the number series used by Marklin are completely meaningless to the customer.
That's the situation today.
About 20 years ago they had charts in the catalogue explaining which information could be drawn from the ref. numbers.

Regards
Tom
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Offline TEEWolf  
#212 Posted : 25 March 2017 04:00:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

Hi all,
Of course I may not be able to see the big picture, but to my eye the number series used by Marklin are completely meaningless to the customer. They are probably meaningful to the factory, and may relate to product sourcing, shift responsibilities, or release schedules. Who knows? I have never worked in a manufacturing environment.
regards
Kimball


Hi Kimball,

well, I really do not know the ideas of Maerklin, but as far as I understand Maerklin's loco numbers they use the real original old and/or changed numbers as an example for all of their locos. I am not an expert, but I think that all of the models from Maerklin were one time existing somewhere in the world.

In German communities there are real experts present and a storm of anger (or do I better say outrage or outcry?) erupts, if the locos does not align with the original ones. They compare it with other producers of locos (like Roco, Fleischman, etc) as well as with the original ones. They scream out about the the differences to the original. Every design engineer of a railroad model has a hard job to design the loco very exactly to the original and considering real production cost for the model.

Of course there are plenty of books, articles, etc. explaining the schedules and/or numbering of loco class characterisations. It is so voluminous, I decided, to show here only a few links, most of them from the German Wikipedia. I keep them in German, but by most of the articles you find on the left side a button to get the text in English. If not, please apologize and help yourself. The documents are voluminous. But most of the links includes pictures, tables and graphics which are already informative without reading the text. And honestly: I myself did not read all these documents yet.BigGrin

Enjoy studying the German railway numbering. The weekend will be long.Huh Cool

Here are a few links – only the first one is in English and perhaps most interesting to you:

DB locomotive classification - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org...ocomotive_classification

Wikipedia Baureihenschema der DB
https://de.wikipedia.org...i/Baureihenschema_der_DB

Wikipedia Bauartbezeichnung von Triebfahrzeugen
https://de.wikipedia.org...nung_von_Triebfahrzeugen

Wikipedia Baureihenschema der Deutschen Reichsbahn
https://de.wikipedia.org...der_Deutschen_Reichsbahn

Wikipedia Baureihe (Eisenbahn)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baureihe_(Eisenbahn)

Wikipedia Liste in Deutschland vorhandener Dampflokomotiven
https://de.wikipedia.org...andener_Dampflokomotiven

Wikipedia Liste in Deutschland vorhandener Dampfspeicherlokomotiven
https://de.wikipedia.org...Dampfspeicherlokomotiven

Wikipedia Baureihe V 200
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baureihe_V_200

Wikipedia DB-Baureihe V 200.0
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_V_200.0

Trans-Europ-Express – Wikipedia
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Europ-Express

Wikipedia Lokbezeichnungen
http://www.modellbahn.fs...ml/lokbezeichnungen.html

Liste der Lokomotiv- und Triebwagenbaureihen der Deutschen Bahn
https://de.wikipedia.org...eihen_der_Deutschen_Bahn

Wikipedia Lokomotiven deutscher Eisenbahnen
http://www.lokomotive-on...e-online.com/index.html#

regards

TEEWolf

P.S.: please help me too to improve my English and give me a feedback about strange mistakes I did in your language. Please feel free too to ask for German abbriviations you do not understand like "DLW", which is here used as "Dampflokwerk" = production plant for a steamer locomotive. There is still one e.g. in Meiningen, Germany.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline H0  
#213 Posted : 25 March 2017 07:14:50(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
I am not an expert, but I think that all of the models from Maerklin were one time existing somewhere in the world.
A typical post: we discuss the meaning of the 39 in the 39xxx ref. numbers and you provide links about the numbering of the prototype locos (class numbers).

I am not an expert, but many Märklin "models" are pure fantasy without prototypes in the real world.
Their bestseller #3000/#30000 has not prototype, neither have the white or black crocodiles or the blue 05 003.
The 005 003 is just fantasy, too. AFAIK the black streamlined 05 does not have a prototype either.
To name just a few ...

The new BR 42 intentionally has the 42 in the ref. number 39042.
The first 39 has the number 39390, the first new 23 has the number 39230.
Sometimes the final three digits of the ref. number refer to the prototype class - but with at least two different patterns. And with many livery variations coming, they have to go for unrelated digit combinations, too.
Regards
Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#214 Posted : 25 March 2017 12:29:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

The new BR 42 intentionally has the 42 in the ref. number 39042.
The first 39 has the number 39390, the first new 23 has the number 39230.
Sometimes the final three digits of the ref. number refer to the prototype class - but with at least two different patterns. And with many livery variations coming, they have to go for unrelated digit combinations, too.


I hadn't picked up on that happening Tom, but reading your post I realized they have done the same with a 36xxx number in that all the 3624x models are Br24 locos. That is just one that I have recognized, there may be others.
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Offline TEEWolf  
#215 Posted : 25 March 2017 17:24:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!

I am not an expert, but many Märklin "models" are pure fantasy without prototypes in the real world.


Indeed, e.g. compare the black E 94 (art# 37229). Nevertheless they follow the DB class specifications and Maerklin write this in his product information as well. "Prototype: German Federal Railroad (DB) class 94. Version in a fictitious black paint scheme."

https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37229/

This clears all technical specifications of such a locomotive perfectly. It has nothing to do with an article #.


Quote:
The new BR 42 intentionally has the 42 in the ref. number 39042.
The first 39 has the number 39390, the first new 23 has the number 39230.
Sometimes the final three digits of the ref. number refer to the prototype class - but with at least two different patterns. And with many livery variations coming, they have to go for unrelated digit combinations, too.


What a cheddar. Laugh What a coincidence! Today I received “Maerklin-Web-News 237 (03/2017)” with a product information for the new item art# 39042 versus the art# 37925. Obviously they confuse some customers! But they also explain that the article numbers has nothing to do with the class specification. It is accidentially that the 39042 is a loco of the road number 42.

https://www.maerklin.de/...odukt-informationen/BR42
https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/39042/
https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/37925/

The major difference is the class! As you see at the comparing pictures, e.g. the BR 42 has one driving axle more than the BR 042!Blink Confused BigGrin

Beside other features the axles are the major difference between the BR 42 and BR 042! Maerklin does not explain it through their article number system (by the way it is not logic and only of major interest to Maerklin). They explain the differences by the “German Federal Railroad (DB) class 042“ (37952) and the „German Federal Railroad (DB) class 42” (37042). Perhaps you received this e-mail letter too.

The item article # you only need one time: when you buy the product. Afterwards only the class specification is important, e.g. on your display of your brand new CS 3! It is the only identification marker for your loco playing with your MRR. And I think that is what we do most.

Finally make it a little bit more complex. There is an allusively internal product number structure of Maerklin article numbers, but not obvious for people outside of the company.

Obvious is, Maerklin uses five-digit numbers starting with the number “5” for their gauge “1” system. Numbers starting with the digit “8” are only used for articles for their gauge “Z” system. All other numbers are used for the gauge “H0” system. Exceptions may confirm the rule. So do not rely on it. But you may rely on the German Federal Railroad (DB) class specifications. More about them you may read in one of my links above.

Have a nice day. Cool
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Offline H0  
#216 Posted : 26 March 2017 09:45:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
But they also explain that the article numbers has nothing to do with the class specification. It is accidentially that the 39042 is a loco of the road number 42.
They don't write "accidentally" and I still think they chose the number 39042 intentionally.

Märklin have never been really strict with respect to prototype class numbers.
They printed manuals with "BR 43" on the cover.
They often write BR 38 or BR 55, but they never made models of BR 38 (but they made the BR 038) and they never made models of BR 55 (but they made models of BR 055). Märklin didn't make an H0 model of BR 18 yet.

In real life BR 42 was a completely new construction.
When you see a Mikado you can be sure it is not BR 42. When you see a Decapod you can be sure it is not BR 042.
Is the difference of the axle configuration the "major difference"?
They mention the truly unique headlights of the BR 42.

Classes BR 43 and BR 043 have the same axle configuration, so have BR 52 and BR 052. What are the major differences between those pairs?


Completely off topic as the store loco is BR 24, not BR 42.
As usual there is a premium of €50 for the handmade weathering.
Regards
Tom
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Offline pab  
#217 Posted : 26 March 2017 16:01:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
they never made models of BR 38 (but they made the BR 038) and they never made models of BR 55 (but they made models of BR 055). Märklin didn't make an H0 model of BR 18 yet.

In real life BR 42 was a completely new construction.
When you see a Mikado you can be sure it is not BR 42. When you see a Decapod you can be sure it is not BR 042.
Is the difference of the axle configuration the "major difference"?
They mention the truly unique headlights of the BR 42.

Classes BR 43 and BR 043 have the same axle configuration, so have BR 52 and BR 052. What are the major differences between those pairs?




The same class 38 (epoche 3) could be a class 038 (epoche IV) the next day. I think M made only models based on the Prussian P8 (38.10-40)
A class 42 (epoche 2 and early 3) is not the same locomotive as a class 042 (= oil fired class 41 after 1968 (epoche 4)
A class 43 (3 cylinder 1E) is not the same locomotive as a class 043 (= oil fired 2 cylinder class 44 epoche 4)
A class 52 (war locomotive) is not the same locomotive as a class 052 (= epoche IV class 50 with original loc number 50 2000 and higher)
As far as I know Märklin made H0 models of the class 18.1 (Württemberger C), the 18.3 (Badische IVh), 18.4 and 18.5 (Bavarian S3/6).
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Offline H0  
#218 Posted : 27 March 2017 08:41:22(UTC)
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The same class 38 (epoche 3) could be a class 038 (epoche IV) the next day.
No, no, no.
The locos that became class 038 in era IV were known as class 38.10-40 in era III.
The locos that became class 055 in era IV were known as class 55.25-56 in era III.

"Class 38" is the deprecated short form for "class 38.0"

Märklin fans can easily say "class 38" to refer to "class 38.10-40" as this is the only Märklin model from the 38 class range.
An incorrect term used and understood by a small in-group is still incorrect.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Minok  
#219 Posted : 27 March 2017 20:23:29(UTC)
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Everyone has their focus area for sure. For me, its enough that the shape and paint scheme match what my fuzzy memory is. If the railing is the wrong style or the roof line inst the one the serial number used, I usually think "oh yeah, there's a serial number on there..."

Back to the initial topic though... the 39xxx vs 37xxx difference isn't as significant as it used to be.
Toys of tin and wood rule!
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#220 Posted : 26 April 2017 21:30:13(UTC)
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First 37871 Toy fair on ebay.

Image of tin box and package. >EBAY.DE<
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#221 Posted : 13 May 2017 21:26:03(UTC)
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Any news on 2017 2nd Model?
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#222 Posted : 14 May 2017 11:11:50(UTC)
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Any news on 2017 2nd Model?


My guestimate is announcement very late May,say on the 28th.
This happened in earlier years.

Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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#223 Posted : 25 May 2017 21:43:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Any news on 2017 2nd Model?


No news yet??? BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin Cursing Cursing Cursing
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#224 Posted : 27 May 2017 11:40:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Any news on 2017 2nd Model?


No news yet??? BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin Cursing Cursing Cursing


Possible next week if 39170 BR103.1 out.

Or 4/2017?
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#225 Posted : 29 May 2017 09:11:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Any news on 2017 2nd Model?


No news yet??? BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin Cursing Cursing Cursing


News just in today.Smile - >BR75.4<
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#226 Posted : 07 June 2017 21:20:49(UTC)
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The 37871 E93 toyfair is now sold out and no more available from Marklin. Grab one if you in hurry otherwise all gone in few months time I think so!

Also Insider BR103.1 Trix version now available (Marklin version not delivery yet) and red lining at front and rear look superb!

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#227 Posted : 07 June 2017 22:59:54(UTC)
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Its hard to resist such nice looking kit for me.. I'm not a collector, I play with my toys. But I'm sticking to my "its not part of my layout scheme" and thus I don't need it.
I never saw one in real life ... but I think if I had, I might have jumped on this 37871 .
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Offline steventrain  
#228 Posted : 15 August 2017 15:16:37(UTC)
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Fall 2017 will be online in three weeks time.
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#229 Posted : 16 August 2017 09:47:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Fall 2017 will be online in three weeks time.


Before IMA Göppongen? maybe

But... will we have a surprise like Challenger, or BR 01.05 like the past years?

All answers in a few weeks...
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#230 Posted : 16 August 2017 13:57:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Fall 2017 will be online in three weeks time.


Before IMA Göppongen? maybe


That would be about right, so you can pick up a hard copy of it at the show ... ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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#231 Posted : 16 August 2017 14:26:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Fall 2017 will be online in three weeks time.


Before IMA Göppongen? maybe

But... will we have a surprise like Challenger, or BR 01.05 like the past years?

All answers in a few weeks...


Friday 1st September I hope!
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#232 Posted : 16 August 2017 15:47:16(UTC)
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In page 59 of Marklin Magazin 04/2017 in English version confirm the surprise with these words:

"Surprise model

Almost as goo as unpacking Christmas presents, or looking for the Easter eggs - that's what the appearance of Marklin's annual surprise loco is for model railroaders. Now we're almost there again: The surprise loco for 2017 comes forward. Look forward to an unusual loco which made European railroad history and which this fall is going to make an appearance as a star on the cinema screen"

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#233 Posted : 16 August 2017 18:13:32(UTC)
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My guestimate: The remake of Murder on the Orient Express,to be released early November 2017,starring a French Pacific (?) steamer.
The movie has a great cast,including Johnny Depp,the lovely Penelope Cruz,Michelle Pfeiffer,and others.



It would be the first big French steamer for Marklin in years and could be a start of a whole range of French steamers based on this model.
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#234 Posted : 16 August 2017 21:53:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
My guestimate: The remake of Murder on the Orient Express,to be released early November 2017,starring a French Pacific (?) steamer.
The movie has a great cast,including Johnny Depp,the lovely Penelope Cruz,Michelle Pfeiffer,and others.



It would be the first big French steamer for Marklin in years and could be a start of a whole range of French steamers based on this model.


The loco in the video is not a Pacific (231) but a Mountain 241 A.
If Märklin makes one, it will sell, at least here in France ans also in Switzerland where the restored exemplar is maintained. . We have been needing a 241A ever since Jouef stopped making them.
But seeing is believing
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#235 Posted : 16 August 2017 22:10:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
My guestimate: The remake of Murder on the Orient Express,to be released early November 2017,starring a French Pacific (?) steamer.
The movie has a great cast,including Johnny Depp,the lovely Penelope Cruz,Michelle Pfeiffer,and others.



It would be the first big French steamer for Marklin in years and could be a start of a whole range of French steamers based on this model.


The loco in the video is not a Pacific (231) but a Mountain 241 A.
If Märklin makes one, it will sell, at least here in France ans also in Switzerland where the restored exemplar is maintained. . We have been needing a 241A ever since Jouef stopped making them.
But seeing is believing



Yeah, a 241 A would be my favourite as well. Added to the wishlist.

Kind regards
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#236 Posted : 16 August 2017 22:13:29(UTC)
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In page 59 of Marklin Magazin 04/2017 in English version confirm the surprise with these words:

"Surprise model

Almost as goo as unpacking Christmas presents, or looking for the Easter eggs - that's what the appearance of Marklin's annual surprise loco is for model railroaders. Now we're almost there again: The surprise loco for 2017 comes forward. Look forward to an unusual loco which made European railroad history and which this fall is going to make an appearance as a star on the cinema screen"



I seen it , The 5/2017 will be out October but delay 2-3 weeks for Marklin days report.

The surprise loco may not included Fall 2017 new items brochure but wait till October to find out, The surprise loco will be included Catalogue 2017/18.
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#237 Posted : 17 August 2017 13:39:21(UTC)
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The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.
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#238 Posted : 17 August 2017 16:00:54(UTC)
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The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.


What does this locomotive look like? I searched KLVM locomotive but didn't seem to find anything relevant. Do you think Marklin will introduce new Orient Express coaches?

David
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#239 Posted : 17 August 2017 18:53:40(UTC)
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The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.


Mode Sarcasm ON

:-)
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#240 Posted : 17 August 2017 19:55:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.


That is a sick joke.
Marklin surprise locomotives is serious stuff!

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#241 Posted : 17 August 2017 20:58:47(UTC)
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The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.


You mean the Marklin 3090 tank loco?

The surprise loco will be a complete new tooling model such as surprise 39911 last year and 37015 in 2015.
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#242 Posted : 17 August 2017 22:29:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MaerklinLife Go to Quoted Post
The surprise loco will be the KLVM dressed as the Orient Express. Wheels in gold.

RRP: 399 EUR.


What does this locomotive look like? I searched KLVM locomotive but didn't seem to find anything relevant. Do you think Marklin will introduce new Orient Express coaches?

David


Hi David,

well I had the same question, but Google gave me an answer for a KLVM loco from Maerklin and it generated a nice exhilaration. Laugh

KLVM is the German abbreviation for

Kleine
Lok
Von
Märklin

translated: "little loco from Maerklin"Love

3090 KLVM Maerklin

As you see even "KLVM" is the loco's name above its serial number 3090.BigGrin
Sorry it does not yet have its golden shoes on.Cool

Please, also look here:

https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/3087/

The loco Maerklin 3090 is not listed in the databse from Maerklin, because it is from 1972, but it is existing. Compare here:

https://www.modellbahnte...kleine-lok-von-maerklin/

http://www.maerklin-samm...omotiven/03090/03090.htm

Quote:
@steventrain
The surprise loco will be a complete new tooling model such as surprise ...


Yes, a big surprise with golden wheels, a silver tender and a platin inner fire box. Great idea, unfortunately 1st of April will not be until next year.Crying Blink BigGrin

But what do you understand by a "tooling model"?

Greatings from sunny Germany (the sun returned meanwhile again)Cool

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#243 Posted : 20 August 2017 12:29:42(UTC)
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And now waiting for the Marklin version,full metal of course.



French trains are like french cars,it takes time to love them,i think i can love this one.
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#244 Posted : 20 August 2017 13:51:21(UTC)
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Look forward to an unusual loco which made European railroad history and which this fall is going to make an appearance as a star on the cinema screen"


Could it be the French EST 241-040, which is in this years remake of "Murder on the Orient Express?" This is slightly different to the more well-known 241P.

regards,
Peter
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#245 Posted : 21 August 2017 10:52:31(UTC)
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Marklin have a history of doing French steamers.
An iconic O gauge production was the 66/12920 of 1934, a model of an Etat loco, not unlike the Est which Peter mentions.

Etat 241 1934

About 5 years ago, a Marklin customer survey revealed a French 241 was high on the list of desired models.

While such a huge locomotive does not really suit my layout, like Paul I could grow to like and maybe even desire to own the model.

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#246 Posted : 21 August 2017 17:42:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
And now waiting for the Marklin version,full metal of course.

French trains are like french cars,it takes time to love them,i think i can love this one.


Thank you very much for this beautiful and well done video. Indeed, it is amazing why Maerklin has such a loco not yet offered within the last ten years. It is an "urgent must"! (like a BR 01 or 03 from Germany).

Found some more information about the loco typ "SNCF 241 P 17":

in French
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/241_P_17

in English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Class_241P

http://www.joueftrains.com/8241.htm

in German
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_241_P

All three language articles are of interest, because they show various pictures and give some technical informations about these locos.

P.S.: but I still do not understand, which loco is this "KLVM" (mentioned by MaerklinLife post #237)? Do you know it? Because the one KLVM - I brought up - is a phantasy modell form Maerklin. But it shall base of an old loco, the "Schmalspur-C-Kuppler der Steiermärkischen Landesbahn" (narrow-gauge railway-C-Coupler of the styria provincial railway), from Austria.

http://www.stlb.at/nosta...reizeit/dampfzugfahrten/

Or shall this beauty "SNCF 214 P 17" be the loco KLVM, mentioned by MaerklinLife?


P.P.S.: NL 1200 - cannot agree with your statement about French cars and locomotives. I like this loco 214 P 17 very quickly. Whereas French cars are still special. Huh O.K., now I can buy an Opel to get a French car. Flapper But did not the Dutch like Opel always very much?BigGrin

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#247 Posted : 21 August 2017 19:01:10(UTC)
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Yes,the Dutch in general always loved Opel because it was a middle of the road car,for a long long time in Holland it was not done to stick your head out over the crowd.
Do remember my oldest sister once had an Opel Kadett version C as her first car,oh dear oh dear.
My late father consumed 4 different Citroen GS/GSA cars,crampy inside but great cars to drive.
And there was of course the goddess DS,a spaceship on wheels,never matched since.
When in the army in 1976,my mate was driving a 2CV over the German Autobahn,a rather scary experience,we survived.

In general the great French railways had few fans in Holland,our language is a Germanic language and especially after WW2 we became very focussed on the English language and American culture.
All joking put aside,the 241 P looks like a great loco but i will not buy it from Marklin,you might of course.

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#248 Posted : 21 August 2017 20:39:41(UTC)
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Well,

I did not imagine that French trains and cars were such subjects of controversy BigGrin

- owner of a French car now, the previous was an Opel -,

I would be pleasantly surprised if our favorite model train brand
was interested in delivering a purely French steamer, the first one in HO ?

Best Regards
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#249 Posted : 21 August 2017 21:05:50(UTC)
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Not bad for a Jouef,not bad at all.
In fact two times Jouef,one older and one newer version.
Just to get used to the forthcoming Marklin version......
I might buy the Marklin version afterall,when it is so magnificant.
And Marklin,whilst you are on an excotic adventure,what about a real British Mallard steamer?

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#250 Posted : 21 August 2017 22:15:21(UTC)
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Hi, just getting a bit frustrated at seeing your comments. 😱😁As getting these French steamers to me is like getting a p8 mixed up with an 01 Pacific. I LOVE French and Belgium, stuff 😍😎 But usually just Marklin. Marklin have said in the past, I believe on a wish list Insiders could vote for, if we/us would like to see. A SNCF 241a Est Mountain??
Not a 241p (Jouef model)which is the same amount of wheels, but a very different locomotive? Running down from Paris to the Mediterranean.
The 241a est Mountain is a likely move by Marklin as it ran to Strasbourg on the Region Alsace from Gare du Est in Paris and was used in Germany during the dark days of ww2. They were also built for the Etat railway? Hence the picture of the tinplate Marklin etat railway 241loco mentioned by others. And finished in gray.
Personally I'm bursting at the thought of having a reel SNCF 241a proper French steamer and not a German steamer in SNCF use, nice though they are👍
So here's a link to the SNCF 241a Mountain and 241p in use on a special in Switzerland
The 241a mountain is in use on the new Murder on the orient express. See above picture of it:-)
https://www.google.co.uk...oc#imgrc=qhWZmKUt6O5_TM:
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