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This may sound like an odd question, but the smoke/vapour that comes out of our locos, is it harmful to our health?
Does anyone have actual scientific information on point?
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Originally Posted by: baggio  This may sound like an odd question, but the smoke/vapour that comes out of our locos, is it harmful to our health?
Does anyone have actual scientific information on point?
Thanks. Hello Baggio, Yes, I looked into this and I regret to say that my scientific research definitely shows that it is harmful to your health. University tests show that after more than 1 hour of inhalation the recipient hallucinates and is deluded into believing that he/she positively needs to acquire more and more Märklin items. The sufferer then feels that these items are the most important thing in life, to the exclusion of his/her family. There are also a few case reports in the literature of these harmful effects bankrupting family budgets, .........so, be warned!  Regards, PJ
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I've been inhaling it since 1964 and I'm still kicking. Causes Märklin purchases. Perhaps my other half might say, "Do you really need another Märklin locomotive?" There was a brand of smoke fluid that I bought a few years ago which said on the bottle that it "did not cause cancer". I wasn't able to get it again. Peter 
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Isn't model railway smoke fluid in fact Johnsons baby oil or vice versa? If it good enough for baby's bottoms then its good enough for me albeit you don't vaporise it when in that use`. Or maybe I'm talking complete tosh - probably caused by Seuthe poisoning.
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R-Sätze 65Harmful; Possible lung damage if swallowed 66Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking  |
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If that were true, I'd have been dead years ago. Chuck
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May I suggest that we all take this matter seriously? Remember that the dangers of cigarette smoke used to be treated the same way: a non-issue.... From what I have read here on this forum (thanks to the input of some of you  ), this is no laughing matter and, I for one, am concerned. My basement is small and when the loco goes, there is quite a bit of that stuff going around, albeit for 90 seconds until I have to add more. I am considering giving up on having the locos smoke, for safety reasons. My two cents' worth. |
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baggio, life is too short to take serious. If you're that concerned, just stop using it....problem solved!  Chuck
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I know a number of modellers do not fit/use smoke units at all - some say potential damage to paint over long term usage?...I do, and have been using them for the past 6 years, and do not see any defects on paint......well, not yet anyway!
as far as safety aspects are concerned, I suppose we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........
And as Chuck says - if you think it could be harmful over the long term....just don't use it!
Keep safe out there.....Joe
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring ...we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........ This is absolutely true. I would add soldering to this list too. Good ventilation in your workspace is a must! |
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The amount of VOCs (volatile organic compounds) released from plastic and synthetics in the average home (or the average confined hobby room full of plastic kits and model trains) especially if poorly ventilated would be more of a concern than smoke fluid or its burnt aftermath.
Heating, cooking, cleaning, smoking, perfumes and furnishings are all sources of indoor pollutants, which include carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, sulphur oxide and god knows what else. |
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The only thing that requires poor ventilation is a really nice Rum or wine.. You don't want any of those nice odours to escape.. |
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring I know a number of modellers do not fit/use smoke units at all - some say potential damage to paint over long term usage?...I do, and have been using them for the past 6 years, and do not see any defects on paint......well, not yet anyway!
as far as safety aspects are concerned, I suppose we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........
And as Chuck says - if you think it could be harmful over the long term....just don't use it!
Keep safe out there.....Joe My father, my uncle and me have used smoke units in various steamers from early 60's and they are now in my use. None of them have any defects on paint work and we have used a lot of smoke fluid... and I mean a LOT At least the older models paint seems to tolerate smoke fluid. Åke
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Hi Baggio,
Good post, it makes you think.
If it does contain propylene glycol that is pretty safe stuff and considered food grade. It can cause trouble occasionally if used as a vehicle for IV drugs, but we aren't mainlining the stuff!
Totally different from ethylene glycol "antifreeze" which is quite toxic in small amounts when ingested.
As an amusing anecdote I can recall in the eighties in Brisbane where I live, the mosquitos were quite a problem in summer until council spraying of insecticide in the low lying still water areas just about eliminated the problem.
I was a member of a model train club and we would regularly show off our Marklin prowess in the club room ( most members were 2 rail) with our smoke units. The difference was we would use a Coles " Embassy "brand fly spray designed to use in the old hand pumps we all used in our homes before aerosols became widely used. It was incredibly cheap for a litre, produced prodigious smoke and didn't seem to harm the loco paint or the smoke unit. Best of all after a few minutes all the mozzies were gone!
I still have half a bottle which I don't use anymore but I note it contains kerosene which explains why the smoke smelt like a kerosene lamp.
Regards,
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Based on the comment regarding cigarette smoke I think this is quite relevant. This guy would have everyone from child welfare to health & safety knocking on his door. All you need in the background is his wife pregnant in the kitchen  Maybe it's a Sleuthe #10 in his pipe & not tobacco?  This is from the back of the Marklin 0321 Track Planning book. 
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I still have vivid memories of the big fat grumpy old family doctor that we had in the early 60's that was always sucking on his pipe all through the consultation.
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Please remember that one does NOT inhale pipe smoke. Just for the fun of it, see what Salvatore Mammoliti put on YouTube: it should be an advertisement for Marklin 1 gauge (molto bello, but maybe dangerous) : |
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Originally Posted by: baggio Please remember that one does NOT inhale pipe smoke.
Perhaps the pipe smoker doesn't but the secondary smoke is most definitely inhaled by whoever is present. That smoke looks great on the video!!
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That video was great. I think I could smell the smoke through my computer screen.  Chuck P.S. I hope I didn't inhale any. Kinda like Bill C. "I smoked marijuana, but I didn't inhale". 
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Originally Posted by: Angus Based on the comment regarding cigarette smoke I think this is quite relevant. This guy would have everyone from child welfare to health & safety knocking on his door. All you need in the background is his wife pregnant in the kitchen Maybe it's a Sleuthe #10 in his pipe & not tobacco? This is from the back of the Marklin 0321 Track Planning book. I have seen this many times, but I hadn't really picked up that the thing the baby is waving is a paddle like a station master waves in Germany to wave a train off (and Noch make an animated version of).
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