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Offline baggio  
#1 Posted : 09 March 2016 05:51:21(UTC)
baggio

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This may sound like an odd question, but the smoke/vapour that comes out of our locos, is it harmful to our health?

Does anyone have actual scientific information on point?

Thanks.
Offline Danlake  
#2 Posted : 09 March 2016 06:43:59(UTC)
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Hi Baggio,

see previous discussion:

https://www.marklin-user...uid---Health-Saftey-Info

Brgds Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
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Offline PJMärklin  
#3 Posted : 09 March 2016 10:34:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
This may sound like an odd question, but the smoke/vapour that comes out of our locos, is it harmful to our health?

Does anyone have actual scientific information on point?

Thanks.


Hello Baggio,

Yes, I looked into this and I regret to say that my scientific research definitely shows that it is harmful to your health.

University tests show that after more than 1 hour of inhalation the recipient hallucinates and is deluded into believing that he/she positively needs to acquire more and more Märklin items. The sufferer then feels that these items are the most important thing in life, to the exclusion of his/her family.

There are also a few case reports in the literature of these harmful effects bankrupting family budgets,

.........so, be warned! LOL LOL

Regards,

PJ
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Offline Shamu  
#4 Posted : 09 March 2016 11:58:44(UTC)
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Huh Been there, done that, won the t-shirt............. NOW you tell me Crying
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Offline petestra  
#5 Posted : 09 March 2016 12:04:17(UTC)
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I've been inhaling it since 1964 and I'm still kicking. Causes Märklin purchases. Perhaps my other half might say, "Do you really need another Märklin locomotive?"

There was a brand of smoke fluid that I bought a few years ago which said on the bottle that it "did not cause cancer". I wasn't able to

get it again. Peter Laugh
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Offline Rwill  
#6 Posted : 09 March 2016 12:53:49(UTC)
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Isn't model railway smoke fluid in fact Johnsons baby oil or vice versa? If it good enough for baby's bottoms then its good enough for me albeit you don't vaporise it when in that use`. Or maybe I'm talking complete tosh - probably caused by Seuthe poisoning.
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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 09 March 2016 18:37:22(UTC)
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R-Sätze 65
Harmful;
Possible lung damage if swallowed

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Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking

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DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline skeeterbuck  
#8 Posted : 09 March 2016 20:18:27(UTC)
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If that were true, I'd have been dead years ago. Laugh

Chuck
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Offline baggio  
#9 Posted : 09 March 2016 20:25:43(UTC)
baggio

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May I suggest that we all take this matter seriously? Remember that the dangers of cigarette smoke used to be treated the same way: a non-issue....

From what I have read here on this forum (thanks to the input of some of you ThumpUp ), this is no laughing matter and, I for one, am concerned.

My basement is small and when the loco goes, there is quite a bit of that stuff going around, albeit for 90 seconds until I have to add more.

I am considering giving up on having the locos smoke, for safety reasons.

My two cents' worth.
Offline skeeterbuck  
#10 Posted : 09 March 2016 20:29:54(UTC)
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baggio, life is too short to take serious. If you're that concerned, just stop using it....problem solved! Cool

Chuck
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#11 Posted : 09 March 2016 21:13:23(UTC)
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I know a number of modellers do not fit/use smoke units at all - some say potential damage to paint over long term usage?...I do, and have been using them for the past 6 years, and do not see any defects on paint......well, not yet anyway!
as far as safety aspects are concerned, I suppose we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........
And as Chuck says - if you think it could be harmful over the long term....just don't use it!
Keep safe out there.....Joe
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Offline xxup  
#12 Posted : 09 March 2016 21:27:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
...we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........


This is absolutely true. ThumpUp I would add soldering to this list too. Good ventilation in your workspace is a must!

Adrian
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Offline Purellum  
#13 Posted : 09 March 2016 22:07:49(UTC)
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Cool

Being alive is a very dangerous business.

Per.

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If you can dream it, you can do it!

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Offline Shamu  
#14 Posted : 09 March 2016 23:48:59(UTC)
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The amount of VOCs (volatile organic compounds) released from plastic and synthetics in the average home (or the average confined hobby room full of plastic kits and model trains) especially if poorly ventilated would be more of a concern than smoke fluid or its burnt aftermath.

Heating, cooking, cleaning, smoking, perfumes and furnishings are all sources of indoor pollutants, which include carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, sulphur oxide and god knows what else.
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Offline xxup  
#15 Posted : 10 March 2016 00:24:09(UTC)
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The only thing that requires poor ventilation is a really nice Rum or wine.. You don't want any of those nice odours to escape.. LOL
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Offline Br502362  
#16 Posted : 10 March 2016 05:23:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
I know a number of modellers do not fit/use smoke units at all - some say potential damage to paint over long term usage?...I do, and have been using them for the past 6 years, and do not see any defects on paint......well, not yet anyway!
as far as safety aspects are concerned, I suppose we need to be sensible: ensure adequate ventilation at all times - this also applies when painting, gluing, cleaning with benzine/lighter fluid, alcohol, whatever........
And as Chuck says - if you think it could be harmful over the long term....just don't use it!
Keep safe out there.....Joe


My father, my uncle and me have used smoke units in various steamers from early 60's
and they are now in my use. None of them have any defects on paint work and we have used
a lot of smoke fluid... and I mean a LOT Laugh

At least the older models paint seems to tolerate smoke fluid.

Åke
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Offline ixldoc  
#17 Posted : 10 March 2016 07:04:54(UTC)
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Hi Baggio,
Good post, it makes you think.
If it does contain propylene glycol that is pretty safe stuff and considered food grade. It can cause trouble occasionally if used as a vehicle for IV drugs, but we aren't mainlining the stuff!
Totally different from ethylene glycol "antifreeze" which is quite toxic in small amounts when ingested.
As an amusing anecdote I can recall in the eighties in Brisbane where I live, the mosquitos were quite a problem in summer until council spraying of insecticide in the low lying still water areas just about eliminated the problem.
I was a member of a model train club and we would regularly show off our Marklin prowess in the club room ( most members were 2 rail) with our smoke units. The difference was we would use a Coles " Embassy "brand fly spray designed to use in the old hand pumps we all used in our homes before aerosols became widely used. It was incredibly cheap for a litre, produced prodigious smoke and didn't seem to harm the loco paint or the smoke unit. Best of all after a few minutes all the mozzies were gone!
I still have half a bottle which I don't use anymore but I note it contains kerosene which explains why the smoke smelt like a kerosene lamp.
Regards,
Howard.

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Offline MalinAC  
#18 Posted : 10 March 2016 12:16:59(UTC)
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Guys, come on , get with the program. Unless some of you are sticking your noses right over the locos as they are smoking I think the chances of catching anything bad are slim to none. Your in worse danger from traffic fumes when your outside around town. Anyway take care and dont put your head over a smoking loco. Eddie BigGrin BigGrin Blink Blink
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Offline Br502362  
#19 Posted : 10 March 2016 12:45:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MalinAC Go to Quoted Post
Guys, come on , get with the program. Unless some of you are sticking your noses right over the locos as they are smoking I think the chances of catching anything bad are slim to none. Your in worse danger from traffic fumes when your outside around town. Anyway take care and dont put your head over a smoking loco. Eddie BigGrin BigGrin Blink Blink


But it smells like.... childhood Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Offline Angus  
#20 Posted : 11 March 2016 08:12:49(UTC)
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Based on the comment regarding cigarette smoke I think this is quite relevant. This guy would have everyone from child welfare to health & safety knocking on his door. All you need in the background is his wife pregnant in the kitchen BigGrin

Maybe it's a Sleuthe #10 in his pipe & not tobacco? Wink

This is from the back of the Marklin 0321 Track Planning book.

Father&Son.jpg
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Offline Shamu  
#21 Posted : 11 March 2016 08:31:32(UTC)
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I still have vivid memories of the big fat grumpy old family doctor that we had in the early 60's that was always sucking on his pipe all through the consultation.

How times have changed.
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Offline baggio  
#22 Posted : 11 March 2016 14:17:47(UTC)
baggio

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Please remember that one does NOT inhale pipe smoke.

Just for the fun of it, see what Salvatore Mammoliti put on YouTube: it should be an advertisement for Marklin 1 gauge (molto bello, but maybe dangerous) BigGrin:

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Offline Angus  
#23 Posted : 11 March 2016 14:23:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Please remember that one does NOT inhale pipe smoke.



Perhaps the pipe smoker doesn't but the secondary smoke is most definitely inhaled by whoever is present.

That smoke looks great on the video!!
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Offline skeeterbuck  
#24 Posted : 11 March 2016 15:04:22(UTC)
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That video was great. I think I could smell the smoke through my computer screen. Woot

Chuck

P.S. I hope I didn't inhale any. Wink

Kinda like Bill C. "I smoked marijuana, but I didn't inhale". RollEyes LOL Laugh

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#25 Posted : 12 March 2016 00:03:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Angus Go to Quoted Post
Based on the comment regarding cigarette smoke I think this is quite relevant. This guy would have everyone from child welfare to health & safety knocking on his door. All you need in the background is his wife pregnant in the kitchen BigGrin

Maybe it's a Sleuthe #10 in his pipe & not tobacco? Wink

This is from the back of the Marklin 0321 Track Planning book.

Father&Son.jpg


I have seen this many times, but I hadn't really picked up that the thing the baby is waving is a paddle like a station master waves in Germany to wave a train off (and Noch make an animated version of).

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