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Originally Posted by: H0 
That is only your side of the story. Would be interesting to have the Stummi admins tell their version of the story.
Yes of course, Tom, but I saved all PNs from the mods as PDF and I can share them to You (if interested). You will be surprised in which intonation they are talking behind the curtain. You will think of their good breeding (if there was any kind of that, I don't think so). I always kept cool and friendly, but nothing from the other side. They decided their verdict that I'm a bad guy, bashing against Märklin. That's it. At least, I didn't violate a single forum rule! They were not able to tell me, which rule I should have violated. I asked them but they never told me (because they can't). But, let us stop here and return to HAG. Moritz |
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here is a copy of: on the 20th May 2014 we've received an invitation to visit the production firm of HAG in Stans and Stansstaad. In Stansstaad they produce the electronic circuit boards. Wir (ein Modellbahn-Kollege und ich (sturzeroebi) erhielten am 20. Mai 2014 Gelegenheit, die Produktionsbetriebe der Firma HAG Modellbahnen GmbH in Stans und Stansstaad zu besuchen, dabei ein Video der verschiedenen Produktionsschritte zu erstellen, sowie die Erlaubnis, dieses im Internet zu prublizieren. Das Video vermittelt einige Impressionen über die Herstellung von hochwertigem H0 Rollmaterial. In Stansstaad werden die elektronischen Komponenten (Printplatten) vorwiegend vollautomatisch gefertigt und getestet, während in Stans die mechanischen Teile in Handarbeit gefertigt, lackiert, bedruckt, montiert, getestet und verpackt werden. Edited by user 24 May 2014 06:45:08(UTC)
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John, many thanks for guiding us to this video.  I just almost fell from my chair when I saw a person "at work" (?) there who is actually employed by a different company... 
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Folks;
A rather detailed question for the board. The white version of the 700 yr Re 6/6 had two different versions produced. One had a front handrail and the other did not. Can anyone tell me if that was from the prototype? Or was there a manufacturing miscue? Does anyone know approximately how many of each version was produuced?
Thank you
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This is a pure fantasy model, there never was a prototype.
The rarest version is 174.01 with red cabs (approx. 25 units), then comes overall white 174.02 without the front handrails (quantity produced unknown), and the standard version is 175.03 with the handrails (approx. 1,550 units).
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Finally have my long sought after Bourret - sourced for me by John Paolo who was in the right place at the right time, which he always is I am sure  . So major thanks John . Jeremy. Jeremy Palmer attached the following image(s): |
Jeremy.
1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese. |
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ermmmmmm - I hope mine  ? Is that legal? I can't read the German  . I also managed to get one of the GTW Thurbos - with the "dots" above the doors. Jeremy Palmer attached the following image(s): |
Jeremy.
1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese. |
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I've asked in another section of the forum, doe anybody know, has there ever been a sound decoder for the BLS loco Ae 6/8 and part of Mike's answer one was build for Fulgurex in Gauge 1, part of Roco was this loco ever produced by HAG or any other Swiss manufacturer.
your help or answer would be very much appreciated
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Originally Posted by: Jeremy Palmer ermmmmmm - I hope mine? Yes, of course. The one in the auction seems to have been done by an amateur. Not bad really, but nothing like your original.
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I don't think that Stefan is on a crusade against any of the people who have been involved in the administration of the company since it was sold by Herr Gahler. I think that Stefan is a devoted fan of the brand who feels very disappointed at shortcomings that have occurred during and since the transition. I think that if Hag were to release a model that had no issues, Stefan would be the first one to trumpet the achievement.
I have had my issues with the declining quality of production and quality control in model RR over the past few years. Right now I am in the middle of a frustrating situation where faulty quality control required that I spend money to send back a brand new item, thereby increasing the cost of the item by over 25%. That has to come out of my budget and I already paid a high price for the item in the first place.
In these hard economic times, model trains are in some ways "luxury" items and these companies should be willing to spend money to ensure that the product lives up to the reputation instead of focusing on cheapest possible production and fastest production time. Make the models right the first time and happy customers will spend their money on the trains and not at the post office.
I'm just saying…
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Mike C
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Originally Posted by: river6109 I've asked in another section of the forum, doe anybody know, has there ever been a sound decoder for the BLS loco Ae 6/8 and part of Mike's answer one was build for Fulgurex in Gauge 1, part of Roco was this loco ever produced by HAG or any other Swiss manufacturer.
your help or answer would be very much appreciated
John Models of the Ae 6/8 were made in HO by the following companies: Metropolitan S.A./Roxy MTR Renfer (based on the Roxy model) Swimo Fulgurex Roco Rivarossi did make a model of the FS class E428 (HR2328) with Loksound which had Breda motorization, similar to the Ae 6/8. You would have to use Lokprogrammer to replace the Italian whistle, horn and other sounds with the appropriate Swiss ones from the databank. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: Jeremy Palmer
Small electric shunting loco, ordered 2007, trials 2010, expected to go into ops 2011.
Interesting news regarding the Ee 922 shunter: http://www.suter-meggen....HO%20Netto/HAG/index.htmEven more intriguing than this announcement is the circumstance that the "New-HAG" company officials now suddenly seem to deny their "fatherhood" for this cute loco and claim that is an unauthorized production by a third party.  Well, come to think of it, the people in one of the pictures don't really resemble Swiss alpine herdsmen and dairymen... 
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300 swiss francs seems like good value - if the product is up to scratch
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Well, come to think of it, the people in one of the pictures don't really resemble Swiss alpine herdsmen and dairymen... Obviously they must be Ostschweizer No offense to actual Swiss or anybody else intendedMike C
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So who is making it? Will it come in a traditional HAG labelled box? Why are retailers advertising it as Hag if Hag denies it's existence?
All very odd to say the least.
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Stefan:
The above pun aside, as the Ee922 model was under development before Urech (Stans) assumed control of the company, is it possible that someone who was involved in the company between it's time in Moerschwil (Gahler) and the present entity has decided to market that model and is using the name Hag and if so, what would be the legality of it?
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Originally Posted by: mike c
The above pun aside, as the Ee922 model was under development before Urech (Stans) assumed control of the company, is it possible that someone who was involved in the company between it's time in Moerschwil (Gahler) and the present entity has decided to market that model and is using the name Hag and if so, what would be the legality of it?
A perfect summary. And in this particular case, the legal situation is bizarre, to say the least.  And with regard to the box: The (pre-production) one I have seen looks attractive and it also says HAG on it, but it is not a traditional HAG box...
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The HAG communications policy is an increasing mystery: Today they are saying that they are planning an own delivery batch, produced at Stans, for "later" ( http://forum.hag.ch/inde...e922/?postID=869#post869 ) In German we have the saying "Lieber den Spatz in der Hand als die Taube auf dem Dach" (free translation: "It's better to hold a sparrow in the hand than to merely glimpse the pigeon on the roof").
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Hmmm... - it says "please only discuss anything about HAG" on top of this thread, so this link might not be entirely appropriate: http://www.stefanunholz.ch/page2/info.htmlBTW, it's "Swiss Made", but like in the good old Beatles' song "with a little help from my friends".
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Stefan;
Do you think you will get a chance to do a review of it? From the picture it looks good but I would prefer to hear your review before taking any action. If anything, this may hold value simply as a novelty item.
As a side note, the next batch of Amiba museum items were released late yesterday. I just so happened to hit the site after the news and got the following:
Ae 6/6 Bulach
Re 4/4 II 40 Year (16507-21)
So fortunate!
Thank you
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Originally Posted by: jcrtrains
As a side note, the next batch of Amiba museum items were released late yesterday. I just so happened to hit the site after the news and got the following:
Ae 6/6 Bulach
Re 4/4 II 40 Year (16507-21)
Wow, great luck, congratulations! I lived at Bülach for about 29 years, so that particular Ae 6/6 was of course among my favorites. I am supposed to receive a pre-series sample of the Ee 922 for testing and review purposes soon. Some detail parts are currently still missing, and the promotors of this model are trying to ensure that (unlike the products coming from New-HAG at Stans  ) customers will be happy also with the first batch of series models.
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Apparently a series of new Re 460 body shells has been molded (not by the new HAG company itself, of course). Therefore, they are not re-spraying any old stock Re 460 items. However, as you correctly point out, they still have a very long way to go if they want to arrive at the painting and printing quality standards set up by the old crew at Mörschwil. While some improvements can be acknowledged since the first new items produced at Stans, some absolute "no-go" areas remain unimproved even now: - the appearance of the painting is dull and flat (not a trace of the fine gloss finish that was distinctive on traditional HAG locos) - the roofs of the new Ae 6/6 production runs are too dark (even what might be a prototypical RAL tone must not always look good on a small model!) - traces of glue (   ) simply have no place on HAG loco bodies! - the printing is still not as crisp as it used to be although they use the old equipment. If you are an enthusiast of digital and lighting "knick-knacks", then a current HAG model might be something to buy. But if you were a faithful customer of the old company you will most likely be disappointed by what you get nowadays. Yes, I know: I keep sounding like a broken vinyl record - but after more than two years of only "promises, promises, promises" disillusion is widespread. 
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I like this cute shunter and hope that it will be a big success. The picture shows a pre-series sample, delivery should start in February with a batch of DC models: 
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Originally Posted by: Unholz I like this cute shunter and hope that it will be a big success. The picture shows a pre-series sample, delivery should start in February with a batch of DC models: A very attractive little model. Does it have an all metal body? also do you know at what sort of price it will retail? Bob M.
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Most parts (chassis, body) are metal - the roof might be plastic (I haven't closely investigated that part yet). Prices are around 340 Swiss Francs, depending on with or without sound - see here as a guideline: http://www.suter-meggen....HO%20Netto/HAG/index.htmOn the page in the link you will also find an exploded view sketch showing the main parts ("Explosionszeichnung").
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Originally Posted by: ice 1 But i suppose Swiss and anyone not in the Euro will be grand please get rid of this Euro quick. Sorry for going off topic, but the British pound fell from 1.55 CHF to 1.30 CHF. So for UK citizens HAG suffers the same price increase as for people in Euro countries. The US$ fell from 1.02 CHF to 0.86 CHF, so HAG also became more expensive for US citizens. And Märklin and Roco became cheaper for Swiss citizens. More competition for HAG. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Stefan;
Are there any changes between the production version and the pre-production you saw?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by: jcrtrains
Are there any changes between the production version and the pre-production you saw?
I have not received my (AC) models yet, but the single-arm pantograph appears to be slightly different, and the name-plates STADLER next to the cabin should now display the same color as the rest of the loco. Other minor improvements are possible.
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No HAG criticism, please!Two or three days ago, a dealer in French-speaking Switzerland published his annual illustrated report regarding the Nuremberg Toy Fair on the web. You can currently still view it here, before censorship will probably strike: http://www.trainjouet.ch/page57.htmlIn the pictures #28 and #29 in the dealer's series you can admire New-HAG's owner sitting in his company's booth, deeply involved with his mobile phone and thus ignoring the potentially interested visitors. Now guess what has meanwhile happened to that poor dealer? EDIT: The dealer has been banned/censored by New-HAG and the revealing pics removed from his website. Edited by user 19 February 2015 15:32:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz No HAG criticism, please!Two or three days ago, a dealer in French-speaking Switzerland published his annual illustrated report regarding the Nuremberg Toy Fair on the web. You can currently still view it here, before censorship will probably strike: http://www.trainjouet.ch/page57.htmlIn the pictures #28 and #29 in the dealer's series you can admire New-HAG's owner sitting in his company's booth, deeply involved with his mobile phone and thus ignoring the potentially interested visitors. Now guess what has meanwhile happened to that poor dealer? Dealer got promoted?
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Maybe he was just texting his mom to tell her (again) that he did not forget to have lunch? ;)
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I thought you call this patchwork, its an arts and craft method. |
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Hag friends, it has taken me 70 odd years to own my first 2 HAG locos and I'm impressed. the reason I never bought any HAG locos because of the price and they are fetching good money on ebay regardless how old the loco is. the first one I bought is a BLS Re 4/4 and I believe HAG is the only one who produces one but I coulde be wrong. the second Loco is an SBB Re 4/4/ Express. my goal is to get another BLS Re 4/4 but as I said prices are high. both locos I would assume are from the sixties with the Express loco cat. 221 and the BLS 281, they both look like new. I've converted the BLS to digital and will do the same with the SBB. both locos had been bought with DC motors so the only change on the motor was a graphite brush. When I took the loco(s) apart everything is metal and the motor itself is quite solid, bogy covers are metal. the BLS will take on duties for the HAG cartransport carriages (Autoverladewagen) these will consist of 2 on and off ramp carriages and 12 car carriages. I'll just say the price for all items had been under A$ 700.00 and this is a bargain, I've seen the car transport carriages selling for between 70=95 Euros and the locos are usually around the Euro 300.00 and upwards with a BLS cargo Re 4/4 sold for over 700.00 Euro 2 weeks ago. https://www.google.com.a...-506-8.html%3B1000%3B750the BLS has now Led's with Swiss change over the BLS loco can be seen under my layout. regards., John Edited by user 05 March 2015 09:40:46(UTC)
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John, you have nicely summarized the reasons why I was a HAG enthusiast from Christmas 1963 until September 2012. And also why I am so sad that the new company seems to be throwing all the formerly good features of the models overboard and replacing them by botched workmanship. BTW, the BLS Re 4/4 you are (probably) referring to was/is also made by Lima/Rivarossi: https://www.marklin-user...-to-make.aspx#post307606
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Hello guys,
My first HAG also was a BLS Re 4/4 in Nina colors. I was waiting for them to issue the passenger cars but purchased Liliput as they were available.
Now I have a SBB Ae 6/6 CARGO Ernsfelt (sp) which pulls my freight cars at EuroWest held every July in Northern California.
My last acquisition was a BT Re 4/4 with 3 passenger cars.
I think my collection is 6-8 loks and always looking for something I don't have.
If Marklin is the Mercedes then HAG was the Rolls Royce until the new owners arrived.
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here are some photos from the newly acquired loco Re 4/4 express river6109 attached the following image(s): |
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and here are some photos what the loco looks like inside, everything is heavy metal, even the motor has been designed to add weight to the loco. I'm pleased I've bought DC locos as I read there are no replacements from AC magnet coils to DC perm. magnets although one company is producing a perm coil at around Euro 35.00 I may put back the DC wheel connection to allow it to get current from both axles, I've exchanged the wheels on one side to "AC wheels on my Bls Re 4/4. these locos will eventually get a sound decoder and Led's for the express loco. when you take the loco apart it just feels right and by putting it back together you don't finish up with any spare parts and yet the loco seems to have enough details for me. One thing I've noticed the front windows, on my BLS Re 4/4 the window inserts are not right at the ends or sides and they've must have corrected it on the Express loco, all in all I'm very pleased, makes you almost feel a bit taller owning a HAG loco or two, looking at scientific evidence when you get older your shrink, I don't think it applies to me. John river6109 attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: river6109
did Hag ever rectify the window inserts on the BLS Re 4/4 (...)
Yes, beginning with model no. 180.04 / 181.04 (numbering see HAG-UNUM database) in the year 1986, the entire body shell including the windows was modified/improved. Newer models can easily be identified by the printed road numbers such as "161" etc. instead of the raised numbers like "261" molded together with the bodies.
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Originally Posted by: river6109
did Hag ever rectify the window inserts on the BLS Re 4/4 (...)
Yes, beginning with model no. 180.04 / 181.04 (numbering see HAG-UNUM database) in the year 1986, the entire body shell including the windows was modified/improved. Newer models can easily be identified by the printed road numbers such as "161" etc. instead of the raised numbers like "261" molded together with the bodies. Stefan, another boring question, the motor I've shown above could this be changes to a 3 or 5 pole drum collector ? and if yes, is it abailable as a spare part John |
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