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Offline Unholz  
#601 Posted : 15 September 2016 16:35:36(UTC)
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The SBB Cargo combined diesel and electric shunter Eem 923 has not even been officially announced yet by HAG Classic (in my personal opinion the likeable company, not to be confused with the one at Stans), but already one dealer has announced his own name and road number variety for September 2017: http://www.vinorail.ch

Since most of the 30 prototype locos carry a mountain or hill name, it can be assumed that a few other dealers will eventually also offer their individual specials.
Offline Unholz  
#602 Posted : 15 October 2016 16:53:44(UTC)
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How do you like this "bubble loco"? It arrived here a few days ago from a collector friend in Australia. You Aussies seem to have a rough climate... LOL

More pictures on my private website http://www.stefanunholz.ch/page2/info.html . And BTW, this model with the rather unique kind of corrosion/paint damage was most probably made by the old company at Mörschwil. Hmmm... Crying

bubbleloco4.jpg
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Offline mike c  
#603 Posted : 17 October 2016 21:07:47(UTC)
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Based on the photos, I have been trying to figure out what would cause this type of damage from the inside. There is one spot visible where the damage seems to have reached the surface, which can be seen on the <+> symbol. The rest of the damage is bubbles under the paint surface. I had considered heat, but heat would likely damage the paint from the outside in, as well as causing potential damage to plastic parts. My conclusion, given what I can see in the photos, is that the damage was likely caused by exposing the model to freezing temperatures, following by a rapid thaw, which caused water molecules in the paint to freeze and then to expand when thawed. Such damage could theoretically have occurred if the locomotive was placed in an unheated luggage compartment of a plane or anywhere else where such a temperature change could occur.

Regards

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Offline Unholz  
#604 Posted : 18 November 2016 09:13:42(UTC)
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Unfortunately, a second "bubble loco" has turned up - see pictures nos. 7 to 9 in this current auction:
https://www.ricardo.ch/k...-4-agrola/v/an866534572/

If this model was correctly declared as a "second" by the manufacturer in 1999, then it is likely that the bubbles were visible more or less immediately after production. In this case we can probably exclude theories regarding the climate or freezing etc. and concentrate on a manufacturing mishap, similar to the bubbles on this model airplane:
http://www.forum.hag-inf...p;postID=22854#post22854
Offline Unholz  
#605 Posted : 19 November 2016 18:26:50(UTC)
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Some good news for a change - and not unexpectedly it comes from the prosperous and innovative company Tekwiss/HAG Classic lead by Adolf Schoch. Smile

First deliveries of the SBB Cargo hybrid locomotive Eem 923 have now officially been announced for spring 2017. For initial information, please look at these dealer pages:

http://www.suter-meggen...._548_rangierlok_923.html
http://www.roundhouse.ch...AG_Schoch-BLS-Ee-922.htm

On my own site you can also view the picture of a pre-production sample: http://www.stefanunholz.ch/page2/info.html
Offline Unholz  
#606 Posted : 14 March 2017 20:46:57(UTC)
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Further sample pictures of the Eem 923 shunter scheduled to come soon:
http://www.suter-meggen...._548_rangierlok_923.html
Offline mario54i  
#607 Posted : 20 April 2017 19:05:00(UTC)
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Hello

LOKI reports a new lighting for HAG Re456, made by MBT ModellBahn Technik and Hui Modellbau. There is nothing in Hui web site, besides the email address for asking info.
Has anyone seen these locos and this kit ?

Thanks
Offline Unholz  
#608 Posted : 20 April 2017 19:21:26(UTC)
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It is probably something similar to this: http://eyro.ch/downloads/mbt_umbausatz_hag.pdf

The manufacturer is Paolo Spangaro, but perhaps you can contact Christian Eymann at www.eyro.ch - he speaks some English and distributes the Spangaro/MBT lighting kits.
Offline mario54i  
#609 Posted : 25 April 2017 14:54:40(UTC)
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Thank you Stefan
I already did something similar but with 3+1 white lights only.
I was wondering how they could separate white and red lights, as it appears in the pictures on LOKI. Likely they made a proper light guide with two separate LEDs just behind the guide.
Offline river6109  
#610 Posted : 04 August 2017 16:12:48(UTC)
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Hi, bought myself another brown HAG BLS Re 4/4 loco, its my second one and will use it as a consist with my other brown Re 4/4, use it with car carriages (1 front, 1 rear) and other BLS locos as a consist.

this brings it now to 5 HAG locos, 2 BLS Re 4/4 and 3 SBB Re 4/4 Swiss express locos

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Offline jrbburg  
#611 Posted : 05 November 2017 22:06:56(UTC)
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Hello, wondering if anyone can help me on a Hag conversion question: is it easier/better to convert a DC or AC Hag loco to 3 rail Märklin digital?

To complicate the question I bought a Hag 220 to complement a couple of early RE800's that I've inherited (and will remain analogue) and it's wonderful but that has a 6080 chip, so a different process to bring that up to date from the above, I understand.

The reason for the question is that I'd like to buy more Hag locos and wonder if it's better to buy AC or DC (or stick with buying more loaded with 6080 chips) to facilitate conversion to be compatible with Märklin 3 rail digital. I like the "old" Hag, as discussed in this thread.

One further complication is that I may delay the conversion so I'd like some future proofing (if that's possible or desirable.) The reason is that I don't have a permanent layout but set up analogue and digital temporary layouts. I collect on the basis that one day(!) I'll have the space to build something permanent.

Many thanks for any help... I hope the above isn't too convoluted.
Offline mike c  
#612 Posted : 06 November 2017 03:03:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
Hello, wondering if anyone can help me on a Hag conversion question: is it easier/better to convert a DC or AC Hag loco to 3 rail Märklin digital?

To complicate the question I bought a Hag 220 to complement a couple of early RE800's that I've inherited (and will remain analogue) and it's wonderful but that has a 6080 chip, so a different process to bring that up to date from the above, I understand.

The reason for the question is that I'd like to buy more Hag locos and wonder if it's better to buy AC or DC (or stick with buying more loaded with 6080 chips) to facilitate conversion to be compatible with Märklin 3 rail digital. I like the "old" Hag, as discussed in this thread.

One further complication is that I may delay the conversion so I'd like some future proofing (if that's possible or desirable.) The reason is that I don't have a permanent layout but set up analogue and digital temporary layouts. I collect on the basis that one day(!) I'll have the space to build something permanent.

Many thanks for any help... I hope the above isn't too convoluted.


If you can find models that were OEM digital, that is probably the best bet. I have seen a number of second hand Hag loks on ebay in UK that were converted by a Maerklin dealer, most apparently with the older 6080. I don't know what it would take to replace the 6080 with 6090 or more recent. To convert to ESU or equivalent would require a DC magnet and wiring/circuit board with pins for ESU decoder or similar.

There are still a number of classic Hag models available from Swiss dealers or from the factory, so maybe you should check out Roundhouse.ch or Buehler-Interlaken.ch or Suter-Meggen.ch to see if there is anything that interests you. There is also a parts site run by Amiba amiba-shop.ch/ersatzteile/ that has an inventory of Hag parts that could be used to convert/service locomotives.

Regards

Mike C

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Offline jrbburg  
#613 Posted : 06 November 2017 09:05:03(UTC)
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Many thanks Mike, much appreciated.

The bit I'm not getting regards your sentence "to convert to ESU or equivalent would require a DC magnet"

1) if I buy a DC Hag does that make the conversion simpler than buying an AC one i.e. Without 6080?
2) sorry for my ignorance is the most recent Märklin chip the same thing as ESU or equivalent?

Thanks and apologies for my patchy knowledge.





Offline Unholz  
#614 Posted : 06 November 2017 09:45:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post

1) if I buy a DC Hag does that make the conversion simpler than buying an AC one i.e. Without 6080?
2) sorry for my ignorance is the most recent Märklin chip the same thing as ESU or equivalent?


1) If you buy a DC HAG with a later conversion to AC in mind you will also have to consider the replacement/exchange of the entire DC wheel sets. Of course, some people say that you don't have to swap these, but I believe that you should use the correct ones, and if only for the sake of having the correct wheel flange spacing.
2) If you mean the decoder, then the most recent Marklin decoder is not exactly the same as one made by ESU or Uhlenbrock or Zimo etc. Some features of the current decoders are similar or even identical, some are quite different. But generally speaking, ESU decoders are mostly the best choice when speaking of HAG and digital operation.
Offline jrbburg  
#615 Posted : 07 November 2017 12:35:00(UTC)
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OK thanks very much. Greatly appreciated
Offline danmarklinman  
#616 Posted : 07 November 2017 14:25:33(UTC)
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Hi, I like the look of the Hag models, particularly the new bimode shunters👍Does anyone run them on K track? And do Hag make modern railcars ? Hope you can help😁
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Offline Unholz  
#617 Posted : 07 November 2017 14:59:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
And do Hag make modern railcars ?


Sorry, no modern railcars from HAG. Their last railcar was the BDe 4/4, a prototype from the 1950's. http://www.bahnbilder.de...r-bde-44-1646-295191.jpg
Or the series of GTW railcar sets, but these are a bit hard to find and expensive: https://upload.wikimedia...ons/e/e3/Stadler_Gtw.jpg
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Offline river6109  
#618 Posted : 07 November 2017 17:12:16(UTC)
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When I buy HAG locos I always buy DC locos this lowers the cost by not having to buy a perm. magnet., and I have no troubles adding a slider as most HAG locos already provide the space regardless of DC or AC. although I run all my electr. locos via the overhead system.

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Offline jrbburg  
#619 Posted : 07 November 2017 17:14:50(UTC)
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So wheel flange and spacing are no trouble for you?
Offline H0  
#620 Posted : 07 November 2017 17:29:41(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
1) if I buy a DC Hag does that make the conversion simpler than buying an AC one i.e. Without 6080?
Analogue AC locos by HAG sometimes have a DC motor (permanent magnet), but sometimes they have an AC/DC motor (field coil).
The 6080 decoder is for use with field coils, the 6081 and 6090 decoders are for use with DC motors.

I would buy the AC model, not the DC model. You can try to find out before buying whether there already is a permanent magnet in the loco, Or take the risk of having to buy a separate permanent magnet as needed.

Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
2) sorry for my ignorance is the most recent Märklin chip the same thing as ESU or equivalent?
Modern decoders have load regulation that works with DC motors only.
ESU V4 decoders work well with HAG locos using the recommend motor parameters. I have no experience with Märklin decoders in HAG locos - and since I don't remember seeing recommend motor parameters I simply will not try.
Neither would I try decoders that can work with AC/DC motors (three motor wires, not two).

Any modern decoder can be connected to an unmodified AC/DC motor, but this makes little sense and you do not get load regulation in this setup.
Regards
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Offline river6109  
#621 Posted : 08 November 2017 02:30:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jrbburg Go to Quoted Post
So wheel flange and spacing are no trouble for you?


I'm running mine on K-track and so far I haven't experienced any problems

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Offline Rajnish  
#622 Posted : 10 November 2017 17:47:03(UTC)
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Hi!

It really depends which HAG loco you are looking for. For most models, the price difference between AC and DC is not very significant. eBay.de and eBay.ch have a large selection of HAG models available at fairly economical prices. The only models that typically fetch a good price are special liveries of Re 460/ Re 465s which will command high prices, irrespective whether they are AC or DC.

The easiest mode of digitizing HAG locos is using 21-pin ESU PCB and 21-pin ESU V4 LokPilot or LokSound (for sound) decoders. The field magnet will have to be replaced by permanent magnet.

In addition, HAG has introduced light upgrade kits for Re 460s, Re 6/6 and Re 4/4 loco models in the past few years which present the most comprehensive set of light schema. Please check out the Youtube videos on how to upgrade the HAG locos for these new light kits:







I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Rajnish
Offline jrbburg  
#623 Posted : 11 November 2017 08:32:18(UTC)
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Many thanks Rajnish,
Any chance of re-posting the video links? Nothing shows up above.
Thanks
Offline erzhal  
#624 Posted : 05 January 2018 22:19:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: taliesin Go to Quoted Post
A quick one for those in the know, are Hag fitting Faiveley pantographs onto the latest 460's? cheers Rob


So far no, but they have spread a rumor that they are developing their own Faiveley ("better than the one available from Roco"). However, if this is just one of their usual ritualistic announcements and promises, it is likely that only the very young among our esteemed forum members will be able to view first samples of this product... Bored ThumbDown


It's definitely not "usual ritualistic announcements and promises", here is the (translated) official announcement from this morning:

Re 460_Faiveley_Panto_en.pdf (201kb) downloaded 55 time(s).

The HAG Faiveleys are even capable (and tested) to be used in catenary operation.




Offline river6109  
#625 Posted : 06 January 2018 00:19:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: erzhal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: taliesin Go to Quoted Post
A quick one for those in the know, are Hag fitting Faiveley pantographs onto the latest 460's? cheers Rob


So far no, but they have spread a rumor that they are developing their own Faiveley ("better than the one available from Roco"). However, if this is just one of their usual ritualistic announcements and promises, it is likely that only the very young among our esteemed forum members will be able to view first samples of this product... Bored ThumbDown


It's definitely not "usual ritualistic announcements and promises", here is the (translated) official announcement from this morning:

Re 460_Faiveley_Panto_en.pdf (201kb) downloaded 55 time(s).

The HAG Faiveleys are even capable (and tested) to be used in catenary operation.

I wish other manufacturers would follow HAG and produce pantographs one can use for catenary operation but I think Märklin is very close providing sturdy pantographs

John






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Offline mike c  
#626 Posted : 06 January 2018 03:17:24(UTC)
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The Hag brochure (flyer) shows what appears to be the Maerklin pantograph. It is accompanied by a disclaimer that "slight deviations may occur to the final model".
I wonder if Hag will succeed with a more prototypical but still useable pantograph blade.

Regards

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Offline Unholz  
#627 Posted : 14 February 2018 16:08:40(UTC)
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Those among our forum members who do not like to pay pure fantasy prices for products "made" (or rather not made...) in Switzerland will be happy to learn that they can obtain original Sommerfeldt Faiveley pantographs for less than half the price mentioned in the leaflet above:
Bahnorama: https://shop.bahnorama.c...ntograph-re-460-faiveley
Roger Suter: http://www.suter-meggen....en/Sommerfeldt_698CH.php
Offline Unholz  
#628 Posted : 02 March 2018 20:08:31(UTC)
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You only have to glance at the following pictures for about one minute and then you will understand why I (as a former faithful HAG collector during almost 50 years) will NEVER, NEVER buy a model manufactured by the new HAG company at Stansstad:

http://www.forum.hag-inf...Thread&threadID=9272 (for full "joy", click on the photos to enlarge them!)

It is utterly sad and frustrating to see such complete rubbish being sold to unsuspecting customers as "Swiss Quality". Cursing Crying
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#629 Posted : 02 March 2018 20:47:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
You only have to glance at the following pictures for about one minute and then you will understand why I (as a former faithful HAG collector during almost 50 years) will NEVER, NEVER buy a model manufactured by the new HAG company at Stansstad:

http://www.forum.hag-inf...Thread&threadID=9272 (for full "joy", click on the photos to enlarge them!)

It is utterly sad and frustrating to see such complete rubbish being sold to unsuspecting customers as "Swiss Quality". Cursing Crying


Grief, what happened, did they throw it across the factory floor ??? Confused Confused Confused

Quality control at its worst, damage before and after painting, what were they thinking.

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Offline Unholz  
#630 Posted : 20 October 2019 08:40:24(UTC)
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Those among you who wish to look at the way the current HAG people produce their stuff might find this video interesting: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=540314160060390

I am truly shocked by the apparently chaotic order and the "cleanliness" at many of the workplaces. ThumbDown

Sorry, everything is spoken in Swiss German dialect only without subtitles.
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Offline river6109  
#631 Posted : 20 October 2019 11:23:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Those among you who wish to look at the way the current HAG people produce their stuff might find this video interesting: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=540314160060390

I am truly shocked by the apparently chaotic order and the "cleanliness" at many of the workplaces. ThumbDown

Sorry, everything is spoken in Swiss German dialect only without subtitles.


there doesn't seem to be any order but at the same time who organized such a chaotic video BigGrin

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Offline David Dewar  
#632 Posted : 20 October 2019 11:57:42(UTC)
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If any of my dealers sold HAG and the price was similar to Marklin than I would again look at them. At least they use a CS2 from Marklin to test the locos.
Interesting video but no idea what they are saying. Anybody on here who has bought a recent model would be good to see how they run etc.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline jvuye  
#633 Posted : 20 October 2019 23:25:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Those among you who wish to look at the way the current HAG people produce their stuff might find this video interesting: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=540314160060390

I am truly shocked by the apparently chaotic order and the "cleanliness" at many of the workplaces. ThumbDown

Sorry, everything is spoken in Swiss German dialect only without subtitles.


No big surprizes.
As for chaos...was the factory in Mörschwill really much better?
There was more space in M. apparently...but not a lot more personel if my memory serves me well.


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Offline davo_vespa  
#634 Posted : 20 February 2020 03:47:12(UTC)
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Hello All,

I have recently acquires two older AC analogue HAG loks - HAG 210 (SBB Re4/4II) and HAG 184 (Type 465 BLS).

Very happy with the quality of both loks but would like to give them a "freshen up".

Neither lok was supplied with a spare parts list - traction tyres, globes, motor brushes etc. Is anyone able to supply a consumables parts list for these loks and is there any cross compatibility with Märklin spares, eg traction tyres.

Thank for your help,

Happy Days, David

Offline mike c  
#635 Posted : 20 February 2020 04:26:12(UTC)
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The 210 was based on the original 160 Re 4/4II from the late 1960s. The 184 (Re 465) and 280 (SBB Re 460) were introduced in the 1990s.
The old generation models are no longer in production. The parts inventory for these models was sold to Amiba at one point during the changes that the company has undergone.
Many other dealers may still have a reserve of parts, especially things like brushes, traction tires, etc.

http://www.hag.ch/de/fil...ste_ersatzteile_2020.pdf
The 210 was part of the Group 16 (160AC/161DC) (as I have stated). That Group consists of the original and some New Generation models, but you need to look for parts for the original production models. Some later versions of the classic locomotives might have contained the new motor with improved ball bearings, so check with Stefan Unholz to find out exactly which version you might have.

The 184 was part of the Group 28 (280AC/281DC)
Tires: 186073-50

210 (Look up Re 4/4II Swiss Express Nr. 172/173, 192/193, 210/211 beneath the Re 6/6 (Group 20) listing
Tires: 160093-50

Here is the link to Amiba Shop: https://www.amiba-shop.c.../allgemeine-ersatzteile/

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Offline Unholz  
#636 Posted : 10 January 2021 10:38:51(UTC)
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Hardly anybody still takes the risk of ordering the often dreadful stuff coming from the "New HAG" factory. Nevertheless, please take a look at the following link to get reassured that they still have not learned and are merrily delivering junk that should never have passed any serious quality control: https://www.forum.hag-in...postID=146640#post146640
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Offline David Dewar  
#637 Posted : 10 January 2021 18:12:21(UTC)
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Great shame about HAG. In the past I had an excellent HAG loco and some coaches. The dealer I used in the UK was no longer willing to support HAG and MSL don’t appear to sell either. The brand was known for good quality and running and hope this will return.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline jcrtrains  
#638 Posted : 11 January 2021 00:23:27(UTC)
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Location: Toronto, Ontario
It is a great shame and should never have made it to a customer. It is amazing that in the ninth year of the new factory, that this is still happening.

As a Hag collector, I have focused heavily on the Morschwil era with about 120 locos from there and about 10-15 from the new Stans factory. My pattern for buying Hag has remained consistent across the eras. In general, I do not buy regular run Hag at a dealer on it's release. I find that Hag regular run locos lose their value quite quickly and if there is something I like, I will wait and get it on Ricardo or Ebay at a significantly reduced cost in the years later. This approach has continued with the Stans factory era and the fact that you can look at the photographs on the auction site very closely is important. This approach can lead to some very long buying cycles - I only got the Hag Re 465 Elizabeth in 2018 when it was released ten years prior; not for lack of trying but I set my bid limits and keep to them and likely lost four auctions as a result.

I have bought new very limited run items from dealers at the time of release in the new Stans era. These were from Roundhouse (Gotthard 2016 460 and Re 4/4 set in Brown), EYRO (Re 465 Centovalli) and HR Gehri (Ae 6/6 Lenzburg). I have not had a complaint with those.

The only issue I have had in the Stans era was actually a dealer problem created by Hag. The Gotthard 2016 Re 460 and Re4/4 were done by Hag in an exclusive distribution model. This made one particular dealer so angry that he made his own and was not precise about that fact. I ordered one and it was not good at all. I returned for a full refund especially after the dealer confessed to making the locos themselves. This left me in a bit of a pickle as the limited run through the dealer was gone but fortunately a couple of years later I found a relatively inexpensive one on Ebay. In this case, the dealer was at fault but I did empathize with him as Hag had created a poor distribution model with this item.

My other challenge with Hag in the Stans era is that we are in the ninth year, and there has not been a new mold. Now, there is only an occasional new livery that catches my eye with the Re 421 Zurich / Munich being the only one. I am sure I will find it on an auction site in the next 5 years.

Edited by user 11 January 2021 03:58:33(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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