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Great photos, AK. Thanks. During the 1950s Germany was on the rise economically but many people could still not afford to travel so trains were a-lot shorter. This is great news today for us modelling Era III. Trains that actually fit our station platforms. I love it!  Peter 
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Originally Posted by: DamonKelly 
I like those!
I can actually model them!
(not having a real layout...)
Originally Posted by: BrandonVA
...makes me feel better about the trains I run :)
- Brandon
Originally Posted by: petestra Trains that actually fit our station platforms. I love it! Peter That is my main concern ! Gr. - Ak |
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Good evening, Well, I did not know if I should post these rather in the thread of the most ardent New Haven fan or in the Prototype section for short trains. So, I split evenly and posted two out of the total of four here and the other two there. Now, here we go: FL9 with New Haven paint scheme and two coach train in Croton Harmon for service to New York in October 1991. Photos are courtesy of the Eastbank Model Railway Club (www.eastbank.org.uk). Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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 Another short one; DRGW (notice a theme with my choice of railroad yet?) "Royal Gorge" at Cotopaxi, Colorado in 1967. This is near the end of hte line for the Royal Gorge, it was cancelled four months later. (Info source: http://www.railpictures.net/vie...php?id=403096&nseq=7) -Brandon |
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And another short one on "Hunsrückbahn" from Boppard (on the Rhine valley) to Emmelhausen. Until 2009 diesel push-pull trains with (only) two Silberling carriages. Gr. - Ak Edited by user 25 January 2014 20:33:28(UTC)
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Thank you for the wonderful pictures. You made my morning coffee taste better!
Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone? The trains seem short, so I assume it is not the weight of the train being pulled. I had always thought the V 200 was a ver good puller.
Time to go to the train room and run a short train.
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Nice photos all. Ak, I was never far from the New Haven diesels when I was growing up in the East Bronx. I watched these Loks go by many times as I would ride my bicycle to the tracks which was about 10 city blocks from our home. Fun memories. Peter  
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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought
Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone?
Hi Dreadnought, The German narrative says: As a preliminary measure, these engines were on loan to the Danish State Railway DSB to bridge the time until the delayed delivery of the then new DSB Class ME. In 1981 the V200 was at the end of its lifespan. As it was not considered reliable any more, they were run in double traction. Gr. - Ak |
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1970s Anaemic Amtrak action (one loco, two coaches): a) Amtrak Hilltopper b) Amtrak Shenandoah c) Amtrak Blackhawk Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Feeling blue tonight - more shorties: C&EI Danville Flyer:  B&O Metropolitan: Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Rock Island Quad Cities Rocket - one loco, two coaches. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Canada? They had short passenger trains, too: VIA train at Northland Station. Cochrane, Ontario and CP Atlantic Limited. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone? The German narrative says: As a preliminary measure, these engines were on loan to the Danish State Railway DSB to bridge the time until the delayed delivery of the then new DSB Class ME. In 1981 the V200 was at the end of its lifespan. As it was not considered reliable any more, they were run in double traction. It's just a speculation that they were not considered reliable IMHO. The facts are: DSB class ME came with a delay of a few years. Class ME has 3300 hp. DB class 220 has 2200 hp only. The manufacturer of class ME had to provide locos to substitute the missing ME locos. So a single BR 220 would have had less power than the ME it had to substitute. If a single motor fails, the double header will still have the 3300 hp of the class ME. Some of the pictures show long trains. And if the timetable was made for a loco with 3300 hp, a single loco with 2200 hp will have problems with a long train. Please note that there are only BR 220 locos on the pictures, no BR 221 locos. AFAIK only BR 220 supports double headers controlled from a single train driver while BR 221 does not. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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And now the circle closes by returning to the topic of Brandon´s DRG&W post, i.e. a short Royal Gorge train, this time pulled by an Alco PA. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Great info Ak ! Short trains galore ... especially like the "Anaemic Amtrak" ^^ Y  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Hello again,
The shortest versions consisted of two first class coaches with or without dining car:
- F13/14 "Dompfeil" ("Cathedral Arrow" = referring to the Cologne Cathedral) in June 1951
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Greetings - Ak [Love] Here I was thinking that you needed at least four express coaches to warrant the addition of a dining car Confused Blushing Blink There were some similar pictures in the link that River posted recently, conveniently collapsing ideas about prototypical rigour. Edited by moderator 29 March 2014 07:53:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon Märklin sold the Merkur set #43290 with two blue coaches and a dining coach - and I hope it's prototypically correct (nice GFN coaches in a Märklin box). Märklin also made two Bavaria sets, each with two coaches and and a dining coach (#43859, #26557). There are several prototype pictures that show that train (formerly the route was serviced by SBB RAm rail cars). |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Great info Ak ! Short trains galore ... especially like the "Anaemic Amtrak" ^^ Y I knew that you would be the only one to appreciate this one on Amtrak, which I appreciate. Anaemic Aloha - Ak  Edited by user 27 January 2014 21:40:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek And now the circle closes by returning to the topic of Brandon´s DRG&W post, i.e. a short Royal Gorge train, this time pulled by an Alco PA.
Gr. - Ak Given that DRGW only had four Alco PA-1 units, they kept them busy! :) Awesome. -Brandon |
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Big road power, small freight? Almost a 1:1 ratio of loco to wagon :)  Rio Grande's "Midvale Tramp" (West Jordan Utah) |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Rio Grande's "Midvale Tramp" (West Jordan Utah) Nomen est omen. Gr - Ak  |
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Now, co-introducing executive guest superstar Fanta Se "shortliner" Alco PA: Edited by user 28 January 2014 12:06:23(UTC)
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And super-intergalactically co-mega starring Fanta Se EMD F3 (or F7), very short (2 F-units) and very long (9 F-units): Edited by user 29 January 2014 11:30:23(UTC)
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Ak, Thanks for renaming the topic. I realize I may have "tramped" it up ;) Is this a starter set?  White Pass & Yukon Route (Near Fraser, British Columbia, Canada) -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA
Milwaukee Road Cab controlled commuter train, 1964 (Grays Lake, Illinois)
Hehehe, I had that one on my list, too, but you were faster. |
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Rock Island Peoria Rocket 1966 Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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BTW - re. the short Alco PA-hauled Santa Fe trains: Those Chicago-Los Angeles "Grand Canyon" trains were in 1967 and 1968 occasionally quite short, consisting of just one baggage car and two coaches. Even though off-topic, I felt compelled to contrast the former with the extremely long train with the nine F-units, since this was also a "Grand Canyon" in 1960. Gr. Ak Edited by user 29 January 2014 09:00:14(UTC)
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Boston & Maine "Ambassador" (New York - Montreal), 1965. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Must have a tight schedule...  Two BR44 in Ottbergen, Germany, 1976. Hopefully I can refrain from another BR44 :) -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Must have a tight schedule... Or the left loco got stuck in a tunnel and was "picked up" and pushed out of the tunnel by the right one. Happened on my layout...  |
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Wild Amtrak mix, Boston, 1971 Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Hi Friends, when the above photo was taken the USA was not in recession but was in a period of stagflation, meaning not many businesses were growing. I guess there weren't many people traveling. Good for prototype operations but that was all. Peter 
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Noted. I hope you do not mind that I continue to show stagflation mini-expresses at Boston, early 1970s? Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Short freight trains: French electric loco with two cars and Belgian diesel with one car. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Not an extremely short train, but quite short: V200 with a blue coach "F-Zug" in tow approaching Hamburg central station from the south on the "Pfeilerbahn", 1959. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: DamonKelly Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek - F13/14 "Dompfeil" ("Cathedral Arrow" = referring to the Cologne Cathedral) in June 1951  Greetings - Ak I like those! I can actually model them! (not having a real layout...) Marklin make year 2007 39050 Insider BR05 and 43290 Set with 3 F-Zug Passenger Cars for the "Merkur" The 'Merkur' is introduced by the German Federal Railroad in 1952/1953 to use with BR05. Note - the two passenger coaches livery and Pony truck under BR05 cab is different from picture above. |
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Nice idea Steven, And you matched the perspective! Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Not an extremely short train, but quite short: V200 with a blue coach "F-Zug" in tow approaching Hamburg central station from the south on the "Pfeilerbahn", 1959. So, I give it a try, too. Although not disposing of exactly the same coaches as on the prototype photo, I tried at least to catch the spirit - see pic. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain So do I and after this thread I like them even more, but also I bought the 37916 Messe BR03.10 (1022)which is painted blue and I proclaimed it as my "only fantasy Lok, but apparently not so  see; http://www.dbtrains.com/...motives/epochIII/BR03.10So I can do an engine change at the station on my layout for either one when the Merkur comes to town  Quite what it will be doing in the Black Forest I don't know, an excurion or incursion   Great resourse of USA train pics AK and all Great thread |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek And super-intergalactically co-mega starring Fanta Se EMD F3 (or F7), very short (2 F-units) and very long (9 F-units): OK, not the same background, but an approximate curved position (of course referring to the very short consist in the quote...). Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Now, co-introducing executive guest superstar Fanta Se "shortliner" Alco PA: And last, but not least, an re-enactment of the short PA hauled train. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist So do I and after this thread I like them even more, but also I bought the 37916 Messe BR03.10 (1022)which is painted blue and I proclaimed it as my "only fantasy Lok, but apparently not so see; It is a fantasy livery - and even the MHI site called it fictive. See also: https://www.marklin-user...e-livery.aspx#post363559 |
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And now for something contemporary. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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A little bit off-topic, since this goes into the direction of short train without loco: As an owner of the red four wheel caboose (Maerklin 4578), I was wondering about - or rather doubting - the prototypicality. To my surprise I found out that there were prototypes - see pix. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And here in black and white. Gr. - Ak Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Actually, there were a lot of them:  |
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