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Offline petestra  
#51 Posted : 23 January 2014 14:42:36(UTC)
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Great photos, AK. Thanks. During the 1950s Germany was on the rise economically but

many people could still not afford to travel so trains were a-lot shorter. This is great

news today for us modelling Era III. Trains that actually fit our station platforms.

I love it! Love Peter BigGrin
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#52 Posted : 23 January 2014 15:37:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DamonKelly Go to Quoted Post

I like those!
I can actually model them!
(not having a real layout...)


Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post

...makes me feel better about the trains I run :)
- Brandon


Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post

Trains that actually fit our station platforms.
I love it! Love Peter BigGrin




That is my main concern !BigGrin

Gr. - Ak
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#53 Posted : 23 January 2014 22:57:34(UTC)
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Good evening,

Well, I did not know if I should post these rather in the thread of the most ardent New Haven fan or in the Prototype section for short trains. So, I split evenly and posted two out of the total of four here and the other two there. Now, here we go: FL9 with New Haven paint scheme and two coach train in Croton Harmon for service to New York in October 1991. Photos are courtesy of the Eastbank Model Railway Club (www.eastbank.org.uk).

Gr. - Ak
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#54 Posted : 24 January 2014 21:20:20(UTC)
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Another short one; DRGW (notice a theme with my choice of railroad yet?) "Royal Gorge" at Cotopaxi, Colorado in 1967. This is near the end of hte line for the Royal Gorge, it was cancelled four months later. (Info source: http://www.railpictures.net/vie...php?id=403096&nseq=7)

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#55 Posted : 25 January 2014 00:47:39(UTC)
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And another short one on "Hunsrückbahn" from Boppard (on the Rhine valley) to Emmelhausen. Until 2009 diesel push-pull trains with (only) two Silberling carriages.
Gr. - Ak

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#56 Posted : 25 January 2014 13:49:29(UTC)
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Now on round nose diesels with short trains left and right of the Danish-German border 30 years ago.

Double traction DB V200 with two or three coaches in Denmark:
http://www.bundesbahnzei...nemark81/b77-220_014.jpg
http://www.bundesbahnzei...nemark81/b03-220_014.jpg

DSB NOHAB (MX) with short local freight train:
http://www.bundesbahnzei...nemark81/b16-MX_1029.jpg

More (German language) info and photos: http://www.bundesbahnzei...d=2011-08-28_Daenemark81

Gr. - Ak
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#57 Posted : 25 January 2014 14:55:43(UTC)
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Thank you for the wonderful pictures. You made my morning coffee taste better!
Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone? The trains seem short, so I assume it is not the weight of the train being pulled. I had always thought the V 200 was a ver good puller.
Time to go to the train room and run a short train.
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#58 Posted : 25 January 2014 14:59:28(UTC)
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Nice photos all. Ak, I was never far from the New Haven diesels when I was growing up

in the East Bronx. I watched these Loks go by many times as I would ride my bicycle to

the tracks which was about 10 city blocks from our home. Fun memories.

Peter ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile
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#59 Posted : 25 January 2014 17:47:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post

Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone?


Hi Dreadnought,

The German narrative says: As a preliminary measure, these engines were on loan to the Danish State Railway DSB to bridge the time until the delayed delivery of the then new DSB Class ME. In 1981 the V200 was at the end of its lifespan. As it was not considered reliable any more, they were run in double traction.

Gr. - Ak
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#60 Posted : 25 January 2014 17:54:00(UTC)
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1970s Anaemic Amtrak action (one loco, two coaches):
a) Amtrak Hilltopper
b) Amtrak Shenandoah
c) Amtrak Blackhawk

Gr. - Ak
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#61 Posted : 25 January 2014 20:07:34(UTC)
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Feeling blue tonight - more shorties:

C&EI Danville Flyer:

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B&O Metropolitan:
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#62 Posted : 25 January 2014 20:19:18(UTC)
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Rock Island Quad Cities Rocket - one loco, two coaches.
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#63 Posted : 25 January 2014 20:23:29(UTC)
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Canada? They had short passenger trains, too:

VIA train at Northland Station. Cochrane, Ontario and CP Atlantic Limited.
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#64 Posted : 25 January 2014 20:55:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dreadnought Go to Quoted Post
Does any one know why the V 200 or 221 are in pairs while the DSB Nobab are usually alone?
The German narrative says: As a preliminary measure, these engines were on loan to the Danish State Railway DSB to bridge the time until the delayed delivery of the then new DSB Class ME. In 1981 the V200 was at the end of its lifespan. As it was not considered reliable any more, they were run in double traction.
It's just a speculation that they were not considered reliable IMHO.

The facts are:
DSB class ME came with a delay of a few years.
Class ME has 3300 hp.
DB class 220 has 2200 hp only.
The manufacturer of class ME had to provide locos to substitute the missing ME locos.
So a single BR 220 would have had less power than the ME it had to substitute. If a single motor fails, the double header will still have the 3300 hp of the class ME.

Some of the pictures show long trains. And if the timetable was made for a loco with 3300 hp, a single loco with 2200 hp will have problems with a long train.

Please note that there are only BR 220 locos on the pictures, no BR 221 locos. AFAIK only BR 220 supports double headers controlled from a single train driver while BR 221 does not.
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#65 Posted : 26 January 2014 00:01:00(UTC)
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And now the circle closes by returning to the topic of Brandon´s DRG&W post, i.e. a short Royal Gorge train, this time pulled by an Alco PA.

Gr. - Ak
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#66 Posted : 26 January 2014 20:52:30(UTC)
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Great info Ak !

Short trains galore ... especially like the "Anaemic Amtrak" ^^ ThumpUp

Y Woot
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User is suspended until 23/03/4752 12:54:35(UTC) Mulldog Lemon  
#67 Posted : 26 January 2014 21:58:30(UTC)
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Hello again,

The shortest versions consisted of two first class coaches with or without dining car:

- F13/14 "Dompfeil" ("Cathedral Arrow" = referring to the Cologne Cathedral) in June 1951

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Greetings - Ak [Love]



Here I was thinking that you needed at least four express coaches to warrant the addition of a dining car Confused Blushing Blink
There were some similar pictures in the link that River posted recently, conveniently collapsing ideas about prototypical rigour.

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#68 Posted : 26 January 2014 23:19:24(UTC)
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Here I was thinking that you needed at least four express coaches to warrant the addition of a dining car Confused Blushing Blink
Märklin sold the Merkur set #43290 with two blue coaches and a dining coach - and I hope it's prototypically correct (nice GFN coaches in a Märklin box).
Märklin also made two Bavaria sets, each with two coaches and and a dining coach (#43859, #26557). There are several prototype pictures that show that train (formerly the route was serviced by SBB RAm rail cars).

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#69 Posted : 27 January 2014 10:56:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Great info Ak !

Short trains galore ... especially like the "Anaemic Amtrak" ^^ ThumpUp

Y Woot


I knew that you would be the only one to appreciate this one on Amtrak, which I appreciate.

Anaemic Aloha - Ak Glare

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Offline BrandonVA  
#70 Posted : 27 January 2014 16:43:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
And now the circle closes by returning to the topic of Brandon´s DRG&W post, i.e. a short Royal Gorge train, this time pulled by an Alco PA.

Gr. - Ak


Given that DRGW only had four Alco PA-1 units, they kept them busy! :) Awesome.

-Brandon
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#71 Posted : 27 January 2014 20:07:06(UTC)
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Big road power, small freight? Almost a 1:1 ratio of loco to wagon :)
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Rio Grande's "Midvale Tramp" (West Jordan Utah)
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#72 Posted : 27 January 2014 21:42:34(UTC)
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Rio Grande's "Midvale Tramp" (West Jordan Utah)


Nomen est omen.

Gr - Ak RollEyes

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#73 Posted : 27 January 2014 22:31:07(UTC)
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Now, co-introducing executive guest superstar Fanta Se "shortliner" Alco PA:

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#74 Posted : 27 January 2014 22:38:09(UTC)
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And super-intergalactically co-mega starring Fanta Se EMD F3 (or F7), very short (2 F-units) and very long (9 F-units):

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#75 Posted : 28 January 2014 04:32:05(UTC)
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This topic is became my favorite,thank you all of you.BigGrin BigGrin Love LOL
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Offline BrandonVA  
#76 Posted : 28 January 2014 14:49:32(UTC)
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Ak,

Thanks for renaming the topic. I realize I may have "tramped" it up ;)

Is this a starter set?

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White Pass & Yukon Route (Near Fraser, British Columbia, Canada)

-Brandon
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#77 Posted : 28 January 2014 20:21:51(UTC)
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Milwaukee Road Cab controlled commuter train, 1964 (Grays Lake, Illinois)

More info:
http://www.railpictures.net/ima.../8/9/6089.1385265656.jpg

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#78 Posted : 28 January 2014 23:45:36(UTC)
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Milwaukee Road Cab controlled commuter train, 1964 (Grays Lake, Illinois)


Hehehe, I had that one on my list, too, but you were faster. BigGrin
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#79 Posted : 28 January 2014 23:50:40(UTC)
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Rock Island Peoria Rocket 1966
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#80 Posted : 28 January 2014 23:58:15(UTC)
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BTW - re. the short Alco PA-hauled Santa Fe trains: Those Chicago-Los Angeles "Grand Canyon" trains were in 1967 and 1968 occasionally quite short, consisting of just one baggage car and two coaches. Even though off-topic, I felt compelled to contrast the former with the extremely long train with the nine F-units, since this was also a "Grand Canyon" in 1960.

Gr. Ak

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#81 Posted : 29 January 2014 22:22:41(UTC)
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Boston & Maine "Ambassador" (New York - Montreal), 1965.
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#82 Posted : 30 January 2014 15:52:18(UTC)
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Must have a tight schedule...

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Two BR44 in Ottbergen, Germany, 1976.

Hopefully I can refrain from another BR44 :)

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#83 Posted : 30 January 2014 18:10:01(UTC)
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Must have a tight schedule...


Or the left loco got stuck in a tunnel and was "picked up" and pushed out of the tunnel by the right one. Happened on my layout...LOL
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#84 Posted : 30 January 2014 18:14:31(UTC)
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Wild Amtrak mix, Boston, 1971
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#85 Posted : 30 January 2014 22:50:40(UTC)
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Hi Friends, when the above photo was taken the USA was not in recession but was

in a period of stagflation, meaning not many businesses were growing. I guess there

weren't many people traveling. Good for prototype operations but that was all. Peter

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#86 Posted : 31 January 2014 11:02:43(UTC)
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Noted. I hope you do not mind that I continue to show stagflation mini-expresses at Boston, early 1970s?
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#87 Posted : 31 January 2014 18:13:26(UTC)
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Short freight trains: French electric loco with two cars and Belgian diesel with one car.
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#88 Posted : 01 February 2014 20:43:53(UTC)
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Not an extremely short train, but quite short: V200 with a blue coach "F-Zug" in tow approaching Hamburg central station from the south on the "Pfeilerbahn", 1959.
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#89 Posted : 01 February 2014 21:28:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post


- F13/14 "Dompfeil" ("Cathedral Arrow" = referring to the Cologne Cathedral) in June 1951

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Greetings - Ak


I like those!
I can actually model them!
(not having a real layout...)



Marklin make year 2007 39050 Insider BR05 and 43290 Set with 3 F-Zug Passenger Cars for the "Merkur"

The 'Merkur' is introduced by the German Federal Railroad in 1952/1953 to use with BR05.

Note - the two passenger coaches livery and Pony truck under BR05 cab is different from picture above.
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#90 Posted : 01 February 2014 22:24:13(UTC)
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I also have both 39050 and 43290.

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#91 Posted : 01 February 2014 22:41:09(UTC)
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Excellent match up, Stephen. Bravo! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile Peter
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#92 Posted : 02 February 2014 15:34:32(UTC)
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Nice idea Steven,

And you matched the perspective!

Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Not an extremely short train, but quite short: V200 with a blue coach "F-Zug" in tow approaching Hamburg central station from the south on the "Pfeilerbahn", 1959.


So, I give it a try, too. Although not disposing of exactly the same coaches as on the prototype photo, I tried at least to catch the spirit - see pic.

Gr. - Ak
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#93 Posted : 02 February 2014 15:45:10(UTC)
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I also have both 39050 and 43290.

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So do I and after this thread I like them even more, Smile but also I bought the 37916 Messe BR03.10 (1022)which is painted blue and I proclaimed it as my "only fantasy Lok, but apparently not so Wink see;

http://www.dbtrains.com/...motives/epochIII/BR03.10

So I can do an engine change at the station on my layout for either one when the Merkur comes to town Sneaky Woot

Quite what it will be doing in the Black Forest I don't know, an excurion or incursion Confused Laugh

Great resourse of USA train pics AK and all ThumpUp Great thread BigGrin
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#94 Posted : 02 February 2014 16:03:08(UTC)
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And super-intergalactically co-mega starring Fanta Se EMD F3 (or F7), very short (2 F-units) and very long (9 F-units):


OK, not the same background, but an approximate curved position (of course referring to the very short consist in the quote...).Laugh

Gr. - Ak

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#95 Posted : 02 February 2014 16:07:19(UTC)
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Now, co-introducing executive guest superstar Fanta Se "shortliner" Alco PA:


And last, but not least, an re-enactment of the short PA hauled train.

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#96 Posted : 02 February 2014 17:17:28(UTC)
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So do I and after this thread I like them even more, Smile but also I bought the 37916 Messe BR03.10 (1022)which is painted blue and I proclaimed it as my "only fantasy Lok, but apparently not so Wink see;
It is a fantasy livery - and even the MHI site called it fictive.
See also:
https://www.marklin-user...e-livery.aspx#post363559

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#97 Posted : 08 February 2014 16:59:11(UTC)
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And now for something contemporary.

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#98 Posted : 08 February 2014 17:49:47(UTC)
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A little bit off-topic, since this goes into the direction of short train without loco: As an owner of the red four wheel caboose (Maerklin 4578), I was wondering about - or rather doubting - the prototypicality. To my surprise I found out that there were prototypes - see pix.

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#99 Posted : 08 February 2014 17:53:53(UTC)
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And here in black and white.

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#100 Posted : 08 February 2014 18:57:11(UTC)
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Actually, there were a lot of them:

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