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Offline winetrains  
#1 Posted : 20 March 2013 19:09:34(UTC)
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I collect HO scale European wine wagons with over 300 in my collection. About 80 of them are Marklin. I will share information and photos with anyone who is interested. I have attached a few photos as a sample.

This topic welcomes our friends from the Italian Marklin forum who share our interest in wine wagons. Click on http://www.marklinfan.co.../topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1461 to see some great historical photos plus photos of models and layouts.

This topic also recognises the "Wine Car" topic that ran on the Marklin users forum between 2006-2007. Check it out at https://www.marklin-user...postst4818_Wine-Car.aspx

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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 20 March 2013 19:14:14(UTC)
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Hi winetrains,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 20 March 2013 20:38:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post
I collect HO scale European wine wagons with over 300 in my collection. About 80 of them are Marklin. I will share information and photos with anyone who is interested. I have attached a few photos as an example.


Hi winetrains,

I find the wine wagons very interesting, thanks for sharing.

However I would like to find for what purpose these wagons were used?
I can only guess there were a number of possible uses.
1. Shipment of fully vintaged product to wine merchants for bottling and distribution.
2. Shipment of raw product to other vignerons for further matuaration.
3. Shipment of product (in whatever stage) to food manufacturing plants. (Example? the 48008 above is a condiments firm, who make food dressings).

Is that all?

regards
Kimball
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Offline Markus Schild  
#4 Posted : 20 March 2013 21:01:24(UTC)
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Hi Kimball,

Wine cars are still used to transport wine to distilleries and to producers of sparkling wine.

Some prototype pictures can be found here:

http://www.eisenbahn-und...inkesselwagenpartial.htm

Regards

Markus
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Offline Yumgui  
#5 Posted : 20 March 2013 21:52:13(UTC)
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Hello winetrains, and welcome to the forum ^^ !

Very interesting wagons I never even knew Märklin made ... any dates and model numbers for the first two ?

Have a few 4510 Märklin Bordeaux cask wagons here ... but am now looking for the VB version below :

Any info on these ?

Yum Cool
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Offline Markus Schild  
#6 Posted : 20 March 2013 22:21:46(UTC)
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Very interesting wagons I never even knew Märklin made ... any dates and model numbers for the first two ?

Cool


Hi Yum,

The second one (Swiss) comes from 48809 (2006).

Some Infos about the VB cars can be found here: http://www.lestrainsdegu...hp?mrq=VB&ser=WMABFE

Regards

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Offline winetrains  
#7 Posted : 21 March 2013 08:37:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post
I collect HO scale European wine wagons with over 300 in my collection. About 80 of them are Marklin. I will share information and photos with anyone who is interested. I have attached a few photos as an example.


Hi winetrains,

I find the wine wagons very interesting, thanks for sharing.

However I would like to find for what purpose these wagons were used?
I can only guess there were a number of possible uses.
1. Shipment of fully vintaged product to wine merchants for bottling and distribution.
2. Shipment of raw product to other vignerons for further matuaration.
3. Shipment of product (in whatever stage) to food manufacturing plants. (Example? the 48008 above is a condiments firm, who make food dressings).

Is that all?

regards
Kimball


Kimball,

Thankyou for interest. Check out the links below for photos of real wine wagons.

http://www.rail-pictures...or-transporting-7536.jpg
http://www.rail.lu/champagnemercierwagons.html

Regards, David
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Offline winetrains  
#8 Posted : 21 March 2013 08:45:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Hello winetrains, and welcome to the forum ^^ !

Very interesting wagons I never even knew Märklin made ... any dates and model numbers for the first two ?

Have a few 4510 Märklin Bordeaux cask wagons here ... but am now looking for the VB version below :

Any info on these ?

Yum Cool


Hello Yum,

I believe your VB wagon is a Vollon & Brown VB 36, French and released between 1948-1955. My collection contains 6 VB wagons (I love them) and I have attached their photos below.

Regards, David
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Offline winetrains  
#9 Posted : 21 March 2013 09:55:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Hello winetrains, and welcome to the forum ^^ !

Very interesting wagons I never even knew Märklin made ... any dates and model numbers for the first two ?

Have a few 4510 Märklin Bordeaux cask wagons here ... but am now looking for the VB version below :

Any info on these ?

Yum Cool


Yum,

The first Marklin wine wagon (old single barrel) was part of a Marklin starter train set that included steam engine, wagons, track, transformer and controller. I had to buy the whole set on eBay just to get the wine wagon. It does not have a number.

If you like old wine wagons, I have some very rare metal Electrotren wagons and have attached their photos below. They were made between 1957-1960.

Regards, David
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#10 Posted : 21 March 2013 10:03:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
Hi Kimball,

Wine cars are still used to transport wine to distilleries and to producers of sparkling wine.

Some prototype pictures can be found here:

http://www.eisenbahn-und...inkesselwagenpartial.htm

Regards

Markus


Hi Markus,

Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense.

I was quite taken with your link to the Dujardin cars, because I too purchased an era III version from Liliput, and think it is a fine model.

regards
Kimball
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#11 Posted : 21 March 2013 10:08:19(UTC)
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Hi,

Davids Tillig 501167 bogie tanker is interesting too, the name SGTL is well known in France for transporting foodstuffs.

I managed to bash up a free lance 4 wheel version of an SGTL tank, using a Fleishmann cast underframe, and a Thomas the Tank Engine tanker body.

regards
Kimball
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Offline rmsailor  
#12 Posted : 21 March 2013 14:08:55(UTC)
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There is currently one of the VB bi-foudres on sale on e-Bay at 79 Euros.

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Offline Nielsenr  
#13 Posted : 21 March 2013 18:18:37(UTC)
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Welcome to the Forum Winetrains!!

I really like the "Veuve" champagne car. Veuve is one of my favorite "less expensive" champagnes. Is that particular car a limited production run? Any idea what year(s) it was produced??

Robert
Offline winetrains  
#14 Posted : 21 March 2013 19:27:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Go to Quoted Post
Welcome to the Forum Winetrains!!

I really like the "Veuve" champagne car. Veuve is one of my favorite "less expensive" champagnes. Is that particular car a limited production run? Any idea what year(s) it was produced??

Robert


Robert, I found a Marklin Belgian product PDF file (463 pages) on Google that indicates it was manufactured in 1985. The link to the file is http://users.skynet.be/h...elgische%20producten.pdf
I have attached photos of more Marklin champagne wagons below.
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Offline Yumgui  
#15 Posted : 21 March 2013 22:50:15(UTC)
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Thanks winetrains for the explanation on that first Märklin wagon (first example I've seen of a Märklin item with no number) ... I will now need to search for it !

Also, great collection of Electrotren boxcars, like the Martini wagons especially ... ThumpUp

Just when you think that collecting is over (you have EVERYTHING ...) ... well no, it starts all over again ;P

Yum Woot

PS: VB = Vollon & "Brun" ... btw

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Offline Nielsenr  
#16 Posted : 22 March 2013 03:12:21(UTC)
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Thanks Winetrains, I'll check that link out ...

Robert
Offline winetrains  
#17 Posted : 25 March 2013 10:45:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Hello winetrains, and welcome to the forum ^^ !

Very interesting wagons I never even knew Märklin made ... any dates and model numbers for the first two ?

Have a few 4510 Märklin Bordeaux cask wagons here ... but am now looking for the VB version below :

Any info on these ?

Yum Cool


Yum,

A couple more pictures of Marklin wine wagons you may not have seen. Marklin made them especially for KaDeWe, a large department store in Berlin. In relation to the box wagon, I was informed that only 400 of them were made between 1990-2000.

I have HO scale wine wagons from ACME, Au Pullman, BLZ, Brawa, Electrotren, Fleischmann, Ibertren, JEP, JL, Josfel, Jouef, Liliput, Lima, L.S.Models, Makette, Marklin, Piko, Pocher, Prefo, Rivarossi, Roco, Sachsenmodelle, Schicht, Tillig, Trix and VB. Please let me know (or anyone else) if you want to see some pictures from any of these manufacturers. They are all on Flickr and Forum members can email me at TopFluc@gmail.com for instructions on how to view them.

Regards, David
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Offline biedmatt  
#18 Posted : 25 March 2013 12:42:17(UTC)
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Great thread! ThumpUp
Matt
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DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline winetrains  
#19 Posted : 25 March 2013 19:31:50(UTC)
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Great thread! ThumpUp


Thankyou Biedmatt,

I have posted below a photo of a Marklin wine wagon that has sliding doors and wooden barrels inside that contained bulk wine. It is a Swiss wagon made between 2000-2001.

Regards, David
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Offline Unholz  
#20 Posted : 25 March 2013 19:44:28(UTC)
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And here's a still existing vintage Swiss prototype for a change: http://www.blonay-chamby...age=p_news&id_p_p=88
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Offline winetrains  
#21 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:28:08(UTC)
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And here's a still existing vintage Swiss prototype for a change: http://www.blonay-chamby...age=p_news&id_p_p=88


Thankyou for the photo Unholz, it is great to see the vintage wagons and how well the HO wagons are manufactured to model them. I have 20 different Swiss (SBB-CFF) HO scale wine wagons and particularly fancy the Brawa wagon whose photo I have posted below.

Regards, David
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Offline Yumgui  
#22 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:32:58(UTC)
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Thanks David,

Great collection, excellent VB references, very informative ... !

Have a "JRA Au Pullman" 12V AC loco somewhere, forgot that he also made a wine car ... this store is still one of my suppliers and now that you mention it they still keep a few of these old wagons on show for sentimental reasons, they are NOT for sale however ;/ ...;)

Also, collecting JEP in O scale, I'd love to see those ...
Keep the photos coming please ^^

Guillaume ThumpUp
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Offline winetrains  
#23 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:38:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Thanks David,

Great collection, excellent VB references, very informative ... !

Have a "JRA Au Pullman" 12V AC loco somewhere, forgot that he also made a wine car ... this store is still one of my suppliers and now that you mention it they still keep a few of these old wagons on show for sentimental reasons, they are NOT for sale however ;/ ...;)

Also, collecting JEP in O scale, I'd love to see those ...
Keep the photos coming please ^^

Guillaume ThumpUp


Thankyou Guillaume,

Below are photos of my Au Pullman HO scale wine wagon collection. I really like the character of these wagons.

Regards, David
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Offline Yumgui  
#24 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:41:00(UTC)
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Wow! Trop fort!

No ref numbers ? I'll try and get some info from the store ... or elsewhere ^^

Y Tongue

PS: For sure there is a romantic feel to old cask wagons compared to modern tank or "citerne" wagons ... makes one think that somewhere along the way we went from quality to quantity ... but then again, they do manage to make very good wine in large metal tanks today, so why not transport them the same way ? A question of perspective I guess ...
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Offline winetrains  
#25 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:43:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Thanks David,

Great collection, excellent VB references, very informative ... !

Have a "JRA Au Pullman" 12V AC loco somewhere, forgot that he also made a wine car ... this store is still one of my suppliers and now that you mention it they still keep a few of these old wagons on show for sentimental reasons, they are NOT for sale however ;/ ...;)

Also, collecting JEP in O scale, I'd love to see those ...
Keep the photos coming please ^^

Guillaume ThumpUp


Thankyou Guillaume,

Below are photos of my Au Pullman HO scale wine wagon collection. I really like the character of these wagons.

Regards, David


Guillaume,

I only have one JEP wagon, its photo is below. It is HO scale and made of metal.

Regards, David
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Offline Yumgui  
#26 Posted : 25 March 2013 20:48:41(UTC)
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Is noted David, thanks ...

Will be looking for that one too now ^^

Tongue

PS: Jeez, can't post fast enough now ... hah
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Offline Mark5  
#27 Posted : 26 March 2013 04:39:45(UTC)
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Brilliant thread and beautiful collection David,

I am only "upset" with you about one thing:
You have been a member since 2011 and only show us this great stuff now! Wink

Thanks for sharing it and welcome to the discussion! Smile

I am very curious about wine cars in Italy.
Do you have anything in your collection from Italy, or know of databases with images of Italian prototypes?

I am also interested in Kimball's questions wrt to wine transport uses and production.
The link you posted was interesting and useful
http://www.eisenbahn-und...inkesselwagenpartial.htm

I would really like to see if anyone has modeled dioramas/layouts with train cars being loaded on a winery siding.
Hoping to model some Italian vineyards with a winery and perhaps have a winery doing just that.

Thanks again,
Mark

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Offline Mark5  
#28 Posted : 26 March 2013 04:44:00(UTC)
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Kimball,
Would love to see the results of this kit-bash ...
- Mark

Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

Davids Tillig 501167 bogie tanker is interesting too, the name SGTL is well known in France for transporting foodstuffs.

I managed to bash up a free lance 4 wheel version of an SGTL tank, using a Fleishmann cast underframe, and a Thomas the Tank Engine tanker body.

regards
Kimball

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Interested in history of DB, DR and FS circa 1955 to 1965. Fan of signals, catenary, stations and yards.
Father of four girls running an exhibition layout, the Mädchenbahn--
https://www.marklin-user...rce.ashx?i=30519&b=1
Large version of my present avatar-- https://www.marklin-user...rce.ashx?i=29910&b=1
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#29 Posted : 26 March 2013 08:34:16(UTC)
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Kimball,
Would love to see the results of this kit-bash ...
- Mark

Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

Davids Tillig 501167 bogie tanker is interesting too, the name SGTL is well known in France for transporting foodstuffs.

I managed to bash up a free lance 4 wheel version of an SGTL tank, using a Fleishmann cast underframe, and a Thomas the Tank Engine tanker body.

regards
Kimball




Hi Mark,

Yes, I have been enjoying this thread immensely. This hobby can be compressed readily into quite specific themes.

It is a matter of thinking beyond the square as they say.

I will take photos of the SGTL tanker in the next few days.

regards
Kimball
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Offline river6109  
#30 Posted : 26 March 2013 08:43:09(UTC)
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Winetrains,

welcome to the forum

One gets a bit bored with beer and banana carriages, good subject.

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Offline winetrains  
#31 Posted : 26 March 2013 10:21:23(UTC)
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Brilliant thread and beautiful collection David,

I am only "upset" with you about one thing:
You have been a member since 2011 and only show us this great stuff now! Wink

Thanks for sharing it and welcome to the discussion! Smile

I am very curious about wine cars in Italy.
Do you have anything in your collection from Italy, or know of databases with images of Italian prototypes?

I am also interested in Kimball's questions wrt to wine transport uses and production.
The link you posted was interesting and useful
http://www.eisenbahn-und...inkesselwagenpartial.htm

I would really like to see if anyone has modeled dioramas/layouts with train cars being loaded on a winery siding.
Hoping to model some Italian vineyards with a winery and perhaps have a winery doing just that.

Thanks again,
Mark



Thankyou Mark,

There were many reasons why I didn't share earlier, some selfish. One gets wiser as one gets older. I find wine wagons fascinating, I know they are popular, and was surprised I couldn't find a user group to discuss and enjoy them. Now we have that group.

I have posted below photos of my Italian wine wagons. Enjoy. The Pocher wagons are special, the first one made between 1954-1956, the next two have slightly different coloring and were made in the 1960s. Difficult to find. The ACME wagons were manufactured in 2011 (I received them last week).
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#32 Posted : 26 March 2013 10:33:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Kimball,
Would love to see the results of this kit-bash ...
- Mark

Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

Davids Tillig 501167 bogie tanker is interesting too, the name SGTL is well known in France for transporting foodstuffs.

I managed to bash up a free lance 4 wheel version of an SGTL tank, using a Fleishmann cast underframe, and a Thomas the Tank Engine tanker body.

regards
Kimball




Hi Mark,

Yes, I have been enjoying this thread immensely. This hobby can be compressed readily into quite specific themes.

It is a matter of thinking beyond the square as they say.

I will take photos of the SGTL tanker in the next few days.

regards
Kimball


Hi Mark and Kimball,

Thankyou for your support and encouragment. I have 7 SGTL HO scale wine wagons made by Electrotren (2), REE (4) and Tillig (1). Please let me know if you would like me to post photos of any of them.

Regards, David
Offline rbw993  
#33 Posted : 26 March 2013 21:40:55(UTC)
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Great thread, thanks for sharing.

Roger
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#34 Posted : 26 March 2013 22:17:59(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Hi David,
great collection, we too have a topic about wine wagons with some interesting old pics. I've linked this topic to ours.

http://www.marklinfan.co.../topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1461
Alberto

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Offline Yumgui  
#35 Posted : 26 March 2013 22:27:10(UTC)
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Great comm between forums Alberto !

Thanks for it,

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#36 Posted : 26 March 2013 23:15:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
Hi David,
great collection, we too have a topic about wine wagons with some interesting old pics. I've linked this topic to ours.

http://www.marklinfan.co.../topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1461


Hi Alberto,

Many thanks for posting the link.

They are all beautiful illustrations, both prototype and models. I will be doing a little modification to build a few wine wagons based on those pictures.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
Offline kimballthurlow  
#37 Posted : 27 March 2013 07:57:09(UTC)
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Hi David and all,

David, I hope you don't mind my adding a couple of my own pictures.

On my Altkloster layout, I have 3 wine wagons, of different type.

The first is from Marklin freight set 48801 (2002/3).
I staged the picture using the Bellingrodt picture from Wuppertal in 1956 (thanks Alberto for that terrific link).
Here the wine is being loaded into smaller barrels for distribution to wine merchants around the town of Altkloster.

http://www.qldrail.net/altkloster/48801wekawa-800.jpg

regards
Kimball
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Offline winetrains  
#38 Posted : 27 March 2013 11:25:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
Hi David,
great collection, we too have a topic about wine wagons with some interesting old pics. I've linked this topic to ours.

http://www.marklinfan.co.../topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1461


Thankyou Alberto, I especially love your historical photos and have edited the beginning of this thread to reference your Italian forum. To celebrate, I have posted below a photo of one of my favourite wine wagons, a rare Josfel wagon comprising 3 brown barrels on a flat tray with two white longitudinal ties. Not a Marklin wagon, but one to be admired.
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Offline winetrains  
#39 Posted : 27 March 2013 11:35:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi David and all,

David, I hope you don't mind my adding a couple of my own pictures.

On my Altkloster layout, I have 3 wine wagons, of different type.

The first is from Marklin freight set 48801 (2002/3).
I staged the picture using the Bellingrodt picture from Wuppertal in 1956 (thanks Alberto for that terrific link).
Here the wine is being loaded into smaller barrels for distribution to wine merchants around the town of Altkloster.

http://www.qldrail.net/altkloster/48801wekawa-800.jpg

regards
Kimball


Thankyou Kimball, we can never have too many photos. I have a Piko version of your wagon (pictured below) but I like your Marklin version better. On a sad note, I have included a photo of my Honda Euro Accord that was crushed by a blue Commodore two weeks ago in a quiet Melbourne residential street. I pick up my new car tomorrow.

Regards, David
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#40 Posted : 27 March 2013 12:46:21(UTC)
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Hi David,

Very sorry to see your car like that, I can only be glad that no one was hurt.
I have not had anything like that since 1964, when my first Holden FJ was hit sideways and pushed off the road by an old Customline. The pie, milk and Coke lying on the front seat looked like coffee and stew on the dashboard.

Here is another photo of the Wekawe van, and also one of the SGTL tanker which I bashed from a 1960s Fleischmann cast under-frame, and a Thomas the Tank Engine body. Suitably redecorated.
http://www.qldrail.net/altkloster/48801wekawa-800-2.jpg

SGTL tanker
http://www.qldrail.net/altkloster/sgtlwinetank-fl-800.jpg

regards
Kimball
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Offline winetrains  
#41 Posted : 28 March 2013 10:04:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Wow! Trop fort!

No ref numbers ? I'll try and get some info from the store ... or elsewhere ^^

Y Tongue

PS: For sure there is a romantic feel to old cask wagons compared to modern tank or "citerne" wagons ... makes one think that somewhere along the way we went from quality to quantity ... but then again, they do manage to make very good wine in large metal tanks today, so why not transport them the same way ? A question of perspective I guess ...


Yum, I look forward to starting a debate here, but I will argue that Electrotren has made the best HO scale wooden barrel wine wagons. The one pictured below is one of the hardest to acquire and I am fortunate enough to have two in mint condition. My collection contains 18 different Electrotren HO scale wooden double barrel wine wagons. Happy to show more photos on request. Regards, David
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Offline Unholz  
#42 Posted : 28 March 2013 10:53:49(UTC)
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Here's a link to a HO model made by the Swiss small series manufacturer Modellbaustudio Born: http://www.messingers.ch...es/Bor_P_91063_SBB_2.JPG

I believe that the prototype of this model also had barrels. However, they didn't travel openly but "undercover". Wink
Offline kimballthurlow  
#43 Posted : 28 March 2013 11:05:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post

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I will argue that Electrotren has made the best HO scale wooden barrel wine wagons. The one pictured below is one of the hardest to acquire and I am fortunate enough to have two in mint condition. My collection contains 18 different Electrotren HO scale wooden double barrel wine wagons. Happy to show more photos on request. Regards, David


Hi David,

After seeing what is a small part of your collection, I too am tempted to get at least a couple of wood barrel tankers.
The Electrotren tank looks very interesting, but I also like the Au Pullman ones (nice variety).
As well I like the Acme van versions, a pity they can't include the inside barrels.

I would like to see all your collection, so will send an email so I can see the Flickr set.

regards
Kimball

HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
Offline winetrains  
#44 Posted : 28 March 2013 11:21:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Here's a link to a HO model made by the Swiss small series manufacturer Modellbaustudio Born: http://www.messingers.ch...es/Bor_P_91063_SBB_2.JPG

I believe that the prototype of this model also had barrels. However, they didn't travel openly but "undercover". Wink


Thankyou Unholz. A very nice wagon. Sachsenmodelle also made a "TH Fuog" Swiss wine wagon and I have posted its photo below. Regards, David
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Offline winetrains  
#45 Posted : 28 March 2013 11:32:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post

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I will argue that Electrotren has made the best HO scale wooden barrel wine wagons. The one pictured below is one of the hardest to acquire and I am fortunate enough to have two in mint condition. My collection contains 18 different Electrotren HO scale wooden double barrel wine wagons. Happy to show more photos on request. Regards, David


Hi David,

After seeing what is a small part of your collection, I too am tempted to get at least a couple of wood barrel tankers.
The Electrotren tank looks very interesting, but I also like the Au Pullman ones (nice variety).
As well I like the Acme van versions, a pity they can't include the inside barrels.

I would like to see all your collection, so will send an email so I can see the Flickr set.

regards
Kimball



Kimball, each of the 6 ACME box wagons has two wooden barrels inside, unfortunately they do not show up in the photos. There are currently 316 photos of my collection on Flickr so please enjoy. One of my rarest and favourite Electrotren wagons is photographed below. Regards, David
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Offline BR01097  
#46 Posted : 29 March 2013 03:41:40(UTC)
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Suddenly, I've gotten very thirsty. The size of these tankers! For some strange reason I was expecting to see just a whole slew of the collector's variations on the "Bordeaux" model #308.


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Offline winetrains  
#47 Posted : 31 March 2013 21:38:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BR01097 Go to Quoted Post


Suddenly, I've gotten very thirsty. The size of these tankers! For some strange reason I was expecting to see just a whole slew of the collector's variations on the "Bordeaux" model #308.



I am about to make you even more thirsty. Later today I will create a new HO topic "Modelling in a wine cellar" which will have photos of my layout running behind and through racks of delicious Australian wines. When viewing, I highly recommend a glass of Shiraz in hand.
Offline Yumgui  
#48 Posted : 01 April 2013 00:51:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post
Yum, I look forward to starting a debate here, but I will argue that Electrotren has made the best HO scale wooden barrel wine wagons.

Hah, you've got me searching now for these great wagons on eBay ... shhh, or my wife will kill me ^^ ;P

Great stuff here !

Y lol, lol, lol

PS: Btw, dunno how that car managed to get on top of yours, but that guy sure is a bad driver ... hmmm ^^

PS2: Uhm, smileys removed for greater speed ... ;)

Edited by user 01 April 2013 12:37:26(UTC)  | Reason: Smiley removal service ...

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Offline winetrains  
#49 Posted : 01 April 2013 05:11:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: winetrains Go to Quoted Post
Yum, I look forward to starting a debate here, but I will argue that Electrotren has made the best HO scale wooden barrel wine wagons.

Hah, you've got me searching now for these great wagons on eBay ... shhh, or my wife will kill me ^^ ;P

Great stuff here !

Y LOL LOL LOL

PS: Btw, dunno how that car managed to get on top of yours, but that guy sure is a bad driver ... hmmm ^^


The driver has a P-Plate on his windscreen which indicates that he has had his licence for less than 12-months. He hit my car just behind my rear wheel and his front left tyre then rode up my rear wheel. Must have been going like a rocket. Are you able to remove the three moving smiley faces Yum? Each runs a script in the browser and makes the forum page take much longer to load. Regards, David
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Offline winetrains  
#50 Posted : 03 April 2013 09:27:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Winetrains,

welcome to the forum

One gets a bit bored with beer and banana carriages, good subject.

John



John, more Marklin wine wagon photos below to stop you getting bored.

Regards, David

Correction....this is 4482.047; not 4482.027 (David)

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