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Offline Zora la rousse  
#1 Posted : 23 May 2006 01:01:15(UTC)
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Just when you think the winecar from Märklin is a joke....

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For the article —>

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon

And I am very sorry, the article is in french.
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Offline pat  
#2 Posted : 23 May 2006 02:34:18(UTC)
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Thanks,Nice pictureSmilemakes me thirsty just looking at it[:p]
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Offline franciscohg  
#3 Posted : 23 May 2006 03:14:41(UTC)
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Very thirsty!!!!!!!!!!!
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Offline orubias  
#4 Posted : 23 May 2006 11:55:34(UTC)
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Nice pic, really wood, as Marklin.
What a nice imitation of a Marklin wagon!!! [:o)]

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Offline nevw  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2006 12:48:35(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by orubias
<br />Nice pic, really wood, as Marklin.
What a nice imitation of a Marklin wagon!!! [:o)]



Here is the Marklin Wagon. I have 2 of them. got them 2 weeks ago:

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biggrin
Nev

Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 09:48:09(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline foumaro  
#6 Posted : 23 May 2006 13:06:29(UTC)
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Just perfect.[:p]
Offline Zora la rousse  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2006 15:52:27(UTC)
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Here is mine wink.

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Offline steamfriend  
#8 Posted : 24 May 2006 00:01:34(UTC)
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Very nice picture, that original, Zora ! I, too, often wondered if it really existed.
Thanks for sharing !

Bob
Offline Zora la rousse  
#9 Posted : 24 May 2006 00:35:39(UTC)
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Märklin 4432 ?

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Offline nevw  
#10 Posted : 24 May 2006 02:39:13(UTC)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Here is mine wink.

Zora,
They look better than Mine.[:p]
Have you also got the German Car?
Nev.
wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline HueyCE  
#11 Posted : 24 May 2006 03:55:24(UTC)
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Zora- The car in the photo certainly appears to be the prototype.
Ira
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Offline Zora la rousse  
#12 Posted : 24 May 2006 10:47:35(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Here is mine wink.


Have you also got the German Car?
Nev.


I have a second winecar that looks like Märklin 4432, but is coloured plain grey. I bought it second hand and it is unboxed. It can be party seen in my topic

https://www.marklin-user...s&t=3272&whichpage=2

But if you wish, I can make a picture from it.
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Offline Transfesa  
#13 Posted : 24 May 2006 11:43:29(UTC)
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Hi all,

I've two similar wagons from Trix, I think they are a little more realistic that the ones from Märklin and their dark colour real wood looks perfect in an ancient goods train pulled by the Prusian 55 biggrin

Here you can see them in two photos:

http://es.pg.photos.yahoo.com/p...dnm=2e14.jpg&.src=ph

http://es.pg.photos.yahoo.com/p...dnm=510e.jpg&.src=ph


Kind regards.

Julio Castillo
Madrid, Spain
Offline Zora la rousse  
#14 Posted : 25 May 2006 14:50:08(UTC)
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I think it is a typical French phenomenon, and for that reason it is surprising that Märklin is making these wine cars at all.
If you are Google-ing on French words like "wagon du vin" or "wagon bi foudre" you might find this link:

http://cercleduzeropnpc..../bacchus/historique.html

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I wonder if wine producing countries like Spain, Portugal or Italy had such cars. In the USA California is well known in producing wine, so how was that wine transported?
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Offline hmsfix  
#15 Posted : 25 May 2006 15:48:36(UTC)
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Hi Zora,

Here I found a link with another prototypical wine waggon from a german manufacturer.
http://www.ba-bautzen.de...oren/waggonbau/guewa.htm

The german text on this links says that these wine cars have also been exported to the Soviet Union where they were propably used for liquids with a higher degree of alcool. Cool

Unfortunately the nice wooden wine barrels have completely disappeared today. They now ship their wine mostly with large trucks, in stainless steel refrigerator tanks.

Hans Martin
Offline Zora la rousse  
#16 Posted : 25 May 2006 15:58:51(UTC)
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Yes, that should be wodka wink. I don't think grapes has a chance in Russia.

I am so free to post the picture from that car —&gt;

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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#17 Posted : 25 May 2006 17:48:26(UTC)
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Louise has a huge collection of wine cars. I should take some pictures of them one of these days. In the meantime, here is a picture of two limited series Electrotren wine cars :

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They are really beautiful.

Pierre.
Offline Zora la rousse  
#18 Posted : 25 May 2006 18:27:55(UTC)
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Both my winecars together.

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You are never too late to become a Märklin fan.
Offline PeFu  
#19 Posted : 25 May 2006 19:25:00(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Yes, that should be wodka wink. I don't think grapes has a chance in Russia.

Only approx. 200,000 tons/year... wink

http://www.cee-foodindus...=56280-russian-wine-show

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Offline nevw  
#20 Posted : 26 May 2006 02:25:12(UTC)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Both my winecars together.

Zora,
They Look Beautiful, Look Much better than The two I have.

Nev[xx(]
wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline SRB  
#21 Posted : 26 May 2006 11:44:04(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
I wonder if wine producing countries like Spain, Portugal or Italy had such cars. In the USA California is well known in producing wine, so how was that wine transported?


Märklin has made both Swiss and Italian wine cars. Don't know if they are prototypical.
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Offline Zora la rousse  
#22 Posted : 26 May 2006 11:48:35(UTC)
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Yesterday, a member from the Macintosh discussion forum provided me this link —&gt;

http://wagonsbb.free.fr/c_vin.htm

http://www.ermefer.com

It seems that today the wine is transported in a less elegant way.

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Offline SRB  
#23 Posted : 26 May 2006 12:01:11(UTC)
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Well, not exactly a thirst making thing. Just looks like chemicals.
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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#24 Posted : 01 July 2006 23:05:47(UTC)
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As promised earlier, here are some pictures of part of Louise'r fleet of wine cars :

46744, Baron Jeune, HO Insider Club 2003 :

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46761, S.N.C.F., two car set, Felix Potin & Chanterelle :

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48930, Sparkling wine Birnenschaumwein :

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And here is mine, part of Italian classic car set 47879; SBB-CFF (not really Italian !), O. Frey & Cie. :

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Cheers !

Louise & Pierre.
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Offline steventrain  
#25 Posted : 02 July 2006 12:03:32(UTC)
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Very nice wine car,thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#26 Posted : 01 December 2006 19:47:45(UTC)
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Although I am into German era III, the SBB Ce 6/8 was a nice memory of the childhood ’70 yearbooks.

So I just had to have one! And some cars of course…these are my two wine cars:

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Mosty era III DB.
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Offline steventrain  
#27 Posted : 01 December 2006 19:59:42(UTC)
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Very nice wine car.
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Offline Davy  
#28 Posted : 01 December 2006 20:27:35(UTC)
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I realy like them also. I have three of them. More will be coming.
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Offline Goofy  
#29 Posted : 01 December 2006 21:36:08(UTC)
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ALL ABOARD ON THE WINEWAGON...!

IT`S TIME TO CHEERS TOGEHTER...!

HICK!!! biggrin

Goofy [:o)]
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Offline Goofy  
#30 Posted : 01 December 2006 21:37:57(UTC)
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What about some pictures on the Brawas winecar...?

Goofy Cool
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#31 Posted : 01 December 2006 23:48:11(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy
<br />What about some pictures on the Brawas winecar...?

Goofy Cool


Smelly wine?
http://www.brawa.de/en/Products...3-latrine-car-kwste.html
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Mosty era III DB.
Offline intruder  
#32 Posted : 02 December 2006 01:42:44(UTC)
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Thanks for all the nice photos!
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#33 Posted : 02 December 2006 11:53:06(UTC)
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Not a true wine car, but the interiour has 2 barrels.
And the text says: "Pour le transports de vins en fruits" biggrin

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Mosty era III DB.
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Offline steventrain  
#34 Posted : 02 December 2006 12:13:10(UTC)
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Very nice wine car.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Goofy  
#35 Posted : 02 December 2006 12:57:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gert-Jan
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy
<br />What about some pictures on the Brawas winecar...?

Goofy Cool


Smelly wine?
http://www.brawa.de/en/Products...3-latrine-car-kwste.html
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Smelly wine...?

HA HA HA...!

That was good joking...!

Goofy biggrin
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Offline Zora la rousse  
#36 Posted : 30 April 2007 13:19:59(UTC)
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I found a picture on an old Dujardin wine car, but the wooden barrels are already replaced by a steel tank. Just like the modern car I posted before. Funny that this car has six wheels. What might be the reason for doing this?

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#37 Posted : 30 April 2007 14:09:09(UTC)
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Hi Zora,
That wine car is a beauty.
You ought to put that on your wish-list of new Marklin releases.
I am sure Marklin would respond to something so good.

The third axle is due to the requirement to distribute the weight on the rails. Water (or wine) is quite heavy compared to other liquids, so the bigger the car, the more axles required. Lighter liquids include petroleum, diesel oil, spirits, and vinegar.

Most railways have a design limit for weight. An upper limit example is 20 tonnes per axle. This wine car may carry 60 tonnes on a heavy main line. If it is used on railways with a design load of 15 tonnes, it will be limited to a 45 tonne load.

In the case of a steam engine weighing 100 tonnes without tender, the designer must provide 5 axles. So he may have 2 leading axles (bogie) plus 3 driving axles, 4-6-0, or in other parlance, 2-C. That will theoretically allow 20 tonnes on each axle.

regards
Kimball
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Offline Zora la rousse  
#38 Posted : 30 April 2007 14:26:00(UTC)
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Hi wink, thanks for the explanation Smile.
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Offline H0  
#39 Posted : 30 April 2007 15:20:36(UTC)
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If my eyes didn't fail me, the car has a weight of 13360 kg and a payload of 28000 kg giving a maximum weight of 41360 kg. This gives less than 14 tons per axle and allows the car to be used on most routes.
With only 2 axles it would have been limited to few main lines.
Regards
Tom
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#40 Posted : 30 April 2007 16:25:14(UTC)
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Dear H-zero,
That is excellent, your are prefectly correct. The wine car being made available on any route makes perfect sense.

I never thought to check the actual dimensions and data showing on the photo.

regards
Kimball
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Offline steventrain  
#41 Posted : 30 April 2007 19:19:06(UTC)
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Very nice picture,Zora.
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Offline plutoodie  
#42 Posted : 30 April 2007 22:04:59(UTC)
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The "Dujardin" car is available from Liliput (http://www.liliput.de):

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http://www.liliput.de/ar...d=644&vzaus=h0gueter

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http://www.liliput.de/ar...d=707&vzaus=h0gueter

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http://www.liliput.de/ar...d=762&vzaus=h0gueter

I have the first - it is nice Smile
HHJJ
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Offline intruder  
#43 Posted : 30 April 2007 23:50:38(UTC)
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Very nice three-axled cars.

Thank you, Zora and Bo.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline steventrain  
#44 Posted : 01 May 2007 19:51:21(UTC)
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Very nice,I like Six-wheels tanker.
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