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Thanks,Nice picture  makes me thirsty just looking at it[:p] |
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Nice pic, really wood, as Marklin.
What a nice imitation of a Marklin wagon!!! [:o)]
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by orubias
<br />Nice pic, really wood, as Marklin.
What a nice imitation of a Marklin wagon!!! [:o)]
Here is the Marklin Wagon. I have 2 of them. got them 2 weeks ago:   Nev Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 09:48:09(UTC)
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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
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Here is mine  .  |
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Very nice picture, that original, Zora ! I, too, often wondered if it really existed.
Thanks for sharing !
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Märklin 4432 ?   |
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Quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse<br />Here is mine . Zora, They look better than Mine.[:p] Have you also got the German Car? Nev. |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Zora- The car in the photo certainly appears to be the prototype.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by nevw<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Zora la rousse<br />Here is mine . Have you also got the German Car? Nev. I have a second winecar that looks like Märklin 4432, but is coloured plain grey. I bought it second hand and it is unboxed. It can be party seen in my topic https://www.marklin-user...s&t=3272&whichpage=2But if you wish, I can make a picture from it. |
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I think it is a typical French phenomenon, and for that reason it is surprising that Märklin is making these wine cars at all. If you are Google-ing on French words like "wagon du vin" or "wagon bi foudre" you might find this link: http://cercleduzeropnpc..../bacchus/historique.html  I wonder if wine producing countries like Spain, Portugal or Italy had such cars. In the USA California is well known in producing wine, so how was that wine transported? |
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Hi Zora, Here I found a link with another prototypical wine waggon from a german manufacturer. http://www.ba-bautzen.de...oren/waggonbau/guewa.htmThe german text on this links says that these wine cars have also been exported to the Soviet Union where they were propably used for liquids with a higher degree of alcool.  Unfortunately the nice wooden wine barrels have completely disappeared today. They now ship their wine mostly with large trucks, in stainless steel refrigerator tanks. Hans Martin
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Yes, that should be wodka . I don't think grapes has a chance in Russia. I am so free to post the picture from that car —>  |
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Louise has a huge collection of wine cars. I should take some pictures of them one of these days. In the meantime, here is a picture of two limited series Electrotren wine cars :  They are really beautiful. Pierre.
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Both my winecars together.  |
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Quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
<br />Both my winecars together.
Zora,
They Look Beautiful, Look Much better than The two I have.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
I wonder if wine producing countries like Spain, Portugal or Italy had such cars. In the USA California is well known in producing wine, so how was that wine transported?
Märklin has made both Swiss and Italian wine cars. Don't know if they are prototypical. |
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Well, not exactly a thirst making thing. Just looks like chemicals. |
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As promised earlier, here are some pictures of part of Louise'r fleet of wine cars : 46744, Baron Jeune, HO Insider Club 2003 :  46761, S.N.C.F., two car set, Felix Potin & Chanterelle :    48930, Sparkling wine Birnenschaumwein :  And here is mine, part of Italian classic car set 47879; SBB-CFF (not really Italian !), O. Frey & Cie. :  Cheers ! Louise & Pierre.
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Very nice wine car,thanks for sharing the pictures. |
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Although I am into German era III, the SBB Ce 6/8 was a nice memory of the childhood ’70 yearbooks. So I just had to have one! And some cars of course…these are my two wine cars:   Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 15:24:13(UTC)
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I realy like them also. I have three of them. More will be coming. |
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ALL ABOARD ON THE WINEWAGON...! IT`S TIME TO CHEERS TOGEHTER...! HICK!!! Goofy [:o)] |
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What about some pictures on the Brawas winecar...? Goofy |
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Thanks for all the nice photos! |
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Not a true wine car, but the interiour has 2 barrels. And the text says: "Pour le transports de vins en fruits"  |
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Smelly wine...? HA HA HA...! That was good joking...! Goofy |
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I found a picture on an old Dujardin wine car, but the wooden barrels are already replaced by a steel tank. Just like the modern car I posted before. Funny that this car has six wheels. What might be the reason for doing this?  |
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Hi Zora,
That wine car is a beauty.
You ought to put that on your wish-list of new Marklin releases.
I am sure Marklin would respond to something so good.
The third axle is due to the requirement to distribute the weight on the rails. Water (or wine) is quite heavy compared to other liquids, so the bigger the car, the more axles required. Lighter liquids include petroleum, diesel oil, spirits, and vinegar.
Most railways have a design limit for weight. An upper limit example is 20 tonnes per axle. This wine car may carry 60 tonnes on a heavy main line. If it is used on railways with a design load of 15 tonnes, it will be limited to a 45 tonne load.
In the case of a steam engine weighing 100 tonnes without tender, the designer must provide 5 axles. So he may have 2 leading axles (bogie) plus 3 driving axles, 4-6-0, or in other parlance, 2-C. That will theoretically allow 20 tonnes on each axle.
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Hi , thanks for the explanation . |
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If my eyes didn't fail me, the car has a weight of 13360 kg and a payload of 28000 kg giving a maximum weight of 41360 kg. This gives less than 14 tons per axle and allows the car to be used on most routes.
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Dear H-zero,
That is excellent, your are prefectly correct. The wine car being made available on any route makes perfect sense.
I never thought to check the actual dimensions and data showing on the photo.
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Very nice three-axled cars.
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Very nice,I like Six-wheels tanker. |
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