Hey, by no means I was trying to make a business out of this, or hijack the thread.
Just happened I came across the topic and thought it might be of interest.
I´ll delete my previous post just now.
Sorry.

great collection here! wonderful pics!

Hi Yum,

Your photo of 16020 is very interesting, as it reveals clearly the method of holding the barrels onto the wagon platform.
The fine metal straps lock around a plastic tongue on the sole plate, quite ingenious. Are these straps real metal, or plastic?

The Marklin and Trix wagons with wooden barrel, have a slightly more complex strapping. Each real metal strap end locks into a butterfly which is underneath the wagon. This is OK, but where it right angles around the sole plate, it can break.

regards
Kimball

Hiya Kimball,

The straps are metal and continuous with the name plate ... please see another shot below.

In fact, aside from the couplers and wheels, it's the only other metal part on the whole wagon ;P

Yum

Here's a few more shots of the lettering details ...

According to les trains de guillaume website, the lettering was initially painted by hand and farmed out to various "concierges" (building watchperson), including the one that supervised the V & B premises, and to art students at the Beaux Arts school ...

Man, that writing is SMALL !

Yum

PS: By the way, what I wrote in the post above, does not jibe with the reference numbers on that same website ... I have sent an email to the site owner to try and get any further info ...

Edited by user 18 May 2013 21:55:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hi David,

Nice Makette wagons ! Just learned of a new brand ...

Thanks also for the VB info, but what my catalog tells me is that the ones you posted are version 61 and not 36 ... TBC ^^

Anyway, it's raining wine wagons here last days ...
For info, some other JL and VB wagons which you may have already but haven't posted :

01 - JL : unmarked double barrel wagon, looks like VB chassis and couplers ...
Note : JL = Jean Laffont produced hand made items from 1949-1972, and collaborated with JR Allard (Au Pullman)

02 - JL : mono barrel wagon marked "Postillon" (odd chassis, missing strapping and couplers are incomplete ...)

03 - VB : ref n° 41-T, red version (T = "Tonneaux" (barrels) I believe ...)

Yum

PS: One very nifty detail about VB/JL wagons is that the buffers are spring loaded ... !

Edited by user 11 May 2013 09:42:44(UTC)  | Reason: Spring loaded buffers ...

Hi Yum,
Just love those JL and VB wagons. Particularly the character of the 'tonneau' gondola. And to be able to purchase one after all these years, with the barrels complete, is amazing.

Yes, I agree that the Electrotren have a particular charm. The embellished lettering on the original must be a cultural thing. (Think of the taxis in places like the Phillipines also).

About David's great barrel debate, I personally believe the Marklin/Trix barrels to be truer models, because the strapping on the Electrotren is overdone. However, the M/T lacks any strap contrast to the barrel, so probably misses on that count. Overall therfore I prefer the M/T.

I did purchase one of the Electrotren Frederico Paternina wagons, and the wheels are shot (disengaged from the axle), so OK, I thought I could replace the wheels and axles with spare Marklin or Fleischmann. However, I cannot dismantle the wagon, even though it is screwed together. I cannot dislodge the screws, so I have set this wagon aside for my wine cabinet, simply as a display model.

regards
Kimball

Hi David,

Very nice wagons.

Your collection includes wagons for a wide time-span.
The ADAMS tanker is one of those for which you have models from earlier times.
ERMEFA is another one I think.
The PUJAS French tanks are another one.

regards
Kimball

Some interesting wine wagons pictured below.

Firstly, an SNCF ROCO tank wine wagon. Dubonnet is a sweet, wine-based aperitif. It is a blend of fortified wine, herbs, and spices (including a small amount of quinine) with fermentation being stopped by the addition of alcohol. Dubonnet was first sold in 1846 by Joseph Dubonnet, in response to a competition run by the French Government to find a way of persuading French Foreign Legionnaires in North Africa to drink quinine. Quinine combats malaria but is very bitter. The brand-name Dubonnet was taken over by Pernod Ricard in 1976. It was re-popularised in late 1970s by an advertising campaign starring Pia Zadora.

Next, the only Liliput box wine wagon I have encountered, the rest being tank wagons. It is a smallish wagon but looks great behind a steam train. I ended up buying 3 of them at 10 Euro each (new). A steal.

Finally, an Electrotren Tio Pepe box wagon. Tío Pepe (named after one of the founders' uncle) is a brand of Sherry, the best selling brand in the world. It is best known for its fino style of dry sherry made from the palomino grape. The Tio Pepe brand is owned by the Gonzalez Byass Sherry house.

Regards, David

I'm quite impressed by the detail of all the Electrotren models.

Photos below of more Electrotren box wagons to enjoy, in addition to those I have shown earlier. They are worth collecting.

Regards, David

Wot he sed.

NN

Hi Arlo,

Those F ones look good.
They have slotted that into the market well, I would think.
The wine box cars are very similar to the ones that ACME have released lately for the FS in era III and IV.

regards
Kimball

Not sure if you're aware that this is part of a 2-pc set (42762). The other car is the type with two large strapped barrels. Swiss again, not sure if it's the same wine brand.

Thanks Biedmatt, but I think you will find it is part of the Marklin 46762 2-piece set pictured below. I double checked on Google.

Regards, David

And some more..

Regards, David

Nice pictures.

Bob M.

Hi Yum,

Thanks for the photo comparisons, very nice.

I have some ideas about the rolling barrels. Open wagons had wood floors. This enabled large chocks of wood to be skew nailed to the floors on a temporary basis to retain various loads. On a less than full load of barrels, timber could have been used to chock them. Of course the optimum solution is to have the barrels tightly fill the wagon so they could not roll.

Over time, wagon wood floors became quite used/abused, and began to disintergrate. On an empty wagon, it is a very nice feature to model, using the ultimate weathering technique.

Of course it is possible that the Electrotren came with a barrel frame, which has been lost.

regards
Kimball

Hi David,

It is not often that you hear about an established manufacturer that you have never heard about but this is the case with ktrains. Looking at their web-site they have been around since the year 2000 and the range while small does contain some interesting items.
Thanks for the pictures and the information.

Bob M.

Thanks for the pictures Yum,

I would really like to collect O-scale wine wagons because they have great character and style. Unfortunately, they are large and take up a lot of shelf space which is now becoming a premium in my wine cellar. I have had to move my old Triang carriages to the garage to make room for new purchases. Followers of this thread are posting photos of wine wagons I don't have, so I am now eagerly chasing them on eBay and elsewhere. Possibly we are all now bidding against each other on eBay. To put a stake in the ground for all lovers of wine wagons, I have lodged a request to the Guinness Book of Records for the largest collection of HO scale wine wagons, which currently stands at over 340 different wagons. I will keep you posted as to whether they take me seriously or not. If they do, hang on to your wagons as they will soar in value.

David

David,


Yes, this a real problem for me too. It has gotten to the point that we are now looking for a new house ! *sigh*


Aha, so that's why a sudden spike has appeared on VB, Electrotren, SaMo wine wagons ... ? We should organize ... ;)
Coming from the annual Paris Model Show (Mondial du Modélisme) on Sunday, I noted prices for some "pristine" boxed VB models at between 150 to 250€, way above the avg. 70 to 90€ found on eBay for less pristine unboxed ones ...

Good luck there with the Guinness Book of Records ... and keep us posted ^^ ;)

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Bob M,
Thanks for that info !
While I have gathered a small smattering of US brands like Lionel, Marx and MTH O scale trains, especially some splendid New Haven locos without any wine wagons (yet), I will look into the brands you mention now with "special" attention ...
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As a follow-up on the above post, thought y'all might be interested in a story about the BLZ wagon. The "renovation" or rather "rehabilitation" process is dear to my heart and consists in rehabilitating old and forgotten trains to give them new life ... this activity, more than wine per se, is my primary attachment to this hobby. So, below you can find some comparative before-after photos of the BLZ wagon; a totally unexpected and rare find (still dunno what the missing platform at top of ladders should look like) ...

While I really liked the lighter patina of the "original" wood barrel, the task of carefully taking apart all the rusted metal parts (see exploded parts diagram below ;)) made a few drops of oil on the wood inevitable. Therefore, the cask was entirely treated with linseed oil which by experience will lighten with time while preserving the wood. I am not equipped (yet) with sand blaster and paint cabin so all rusted surfaces were simply brushed and oiled ... I prefer that any "rehabilitation" be limited to a strict minimum (without "cosmetics") to keep the object healthy without denaturing it completely; it has to keep it's patina !

Some results of the "rehabilitation" are; smooth running characteristics, straight ladders, seeing daylight between brake-house and barrel ... and that the O scale baby I found inside the brake-house, who in fact looks like an old man, has been freed !

Plz enjoy,

Y

Photos below of two recent Marklin acquisitions.

Regards, David

... and back to HO scale, a wonderful VB RICARD wagon N° 35R ...

Not wine per se ... but a great liquor non the less ... ;)

Y