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jeehring		#101 Posted : 08 January 2011 17:02:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: RMW Picture of the new Thalys PBKA: Maikel (RMW) ...this was the link I put in my former message....but my post went blank , I don't know why. Just to state that this is the new livery of the Thalys. It is the second livery which came about 2 or 3 years ago. A good idea from Marklin, because this livery never has been reproduced by any manufacturer in HO scale. At the same time Interior design + interior colors changed as well...
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jeehring		#102 Posted : 08 January 2011 17:18:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		......Now I have clicked on "show/hide post"....I'm wondering what this function/button is made for...am I the only one able to read my post...? each time I come, I have to click on "show/hide post" to see my own post...Otherwise, they stay "blank" Some of other member's postings went blank as well...(Not all)
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H0		#103 Posted : 08 January 2011 17:38:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		I think "Show" is the default and you can click "Hide" if you don't want to see posts by well-known nerve wreckers. I can see your posts.
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Ranjit		#104 Posted : 08 January 2011 17:42:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 3,023 Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA		I like your choice of words there, Thomas! Nerve wreckers...! Cheers, Ranjit
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alonso231gery		#105 Posted : 08 January 2011 19:00:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I agree with the A-B unit but not with the metal wagons, they are not practical for long consists .
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NS1200		#106 Posted : 08 January 2011 19:34:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		For RMW. Greetings Maikel, Please also see my comments in the topic referring to your layout. In one of the pictures you submitted i spotted a NS 2400 series diesel loco sticking its head out of a small locshed. Either this is a Roco AC loc or it is a new M 2011 item ?1?! Funny enough,the loc shows a M type coupling,rather different from the Roco AC coupling. Roco has issued numerous versions of this loc series over the years,as well as for its sister,the NS 2200 series. I am sure M could do a much better job! Would be nice if M would issue a set of 1 pcs 2400 and 1 pcs 2200 series for the Dutch market. These locs carried the bulk of all freight traffic by rail for years and years,many times in multiple traction. I would be grateful for your comments. Paul.
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Marius in Africa		#107 Posted : 08 January 2011 20:15:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: sebastian Duuuude! Will order as soon as they open up the ordering desk. pa-pauls wrote: sebastian wrote: The BR 50.40 looks quite interesting, with lots of details - the boiler looks impressive. Have you not ordered it yet duuuuuude ? I will also be in that que, lovely loco this! How does one not end up with a huge amount of steam locos? They have so much character & appeal.
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mmervine		#108 Posted : 08 January 2011 22:03:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,893 Location: Keene, NH		"...this is the new livery of the Thalys. It is the second livery which came about 2 or 3 years ago. A good idea from Marklin, because this livery never has been reproduced by any manufacturer in HO scale. At the same time Interior design + interior colors changed as well..." This one will be on my wish list!
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Armando		#109 Posted : 09 January 2011 00:32:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		I must say that I'll be very excited to order the new impressive Insider model, the BR 50.40, and its associated freight car sets, as well as the new tooling BR 042. The new BR 216, hopefully in full metal jacket, will also be on my list. Personally, I couldn't possibly be bothered about the all-plastic Thalys, just like I was not in the least impressed with the all-plastic TGV, Gläserner Zug, Kittel and likewise similar overpriced IMO "second-rate toys". Märklin = metal construction, and hopefully this will continue to be the trend now that the company is solvent again. One sad exception is the overall disappointing PRR F7, which despite being made completely of metal, seems to originate from the Jurassic in terms of detailing. This should not be acceptable anymore in this era of advanced technology. A new tooling of this model is therefore desirable. The Märklin Insider Club states that the first announcement of this year's models will be made just after the Nüremberg Fair in early February. I can't wait...
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jetavdk		#110 Posted : 09 January 2011 06:33:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Friday Harbor, WA		Wow,I've been waiting for a BR 042 forever. Now how about a new tooling P8 with the bathtub tender?? I can dream right?
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H0		#111 Posted : 09 January 2011 10:31:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Armando One sad exception is the overall disappointing PRR F7, which despite being made completely of metal, seems to originate from the Jurassic in terms of detailing. Some say "Jurassic", some say "true classic". They didn't say "new tooling" and I got wot I expected: the classic Märklin F7 tooling. Originally Posted by: Armando The new BR 216, hopefully in full metal jacket, will also be on my list. Based on the available rumours I bet 5:1 that this is the Jurassic true classic plastic Lollo now in a special one-time series with the crappy new universal genious mfx sound decoder.
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TimR		#112 Posted : 09 January 2011 12:29:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Armando The new BR 216, hopefully in full metal jacket, will also be on my list. Based on the available rumours I bet 5:1 that this is the Jurassic true classic plastic Lollo now in a special one-time series with the crappy new universal genious mfx sound decoder. We discussed about the cost of developing new tooling before... it need to sell at a very good numbers in the first few years to recoup investments. I think Lollo just doesn't have enough of a universal appeal to develop both completely new metal chassis and body. It can use a BR218 frame to cut cost, but if the end result will be a model that would be heavily criticized for being too out of proportion anyway, why bother? Better to use the already available old tooling and sell cheap..
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pab		#113 Posted : 09 January 2011 14:54:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Originally Posted by: Armando I must say that I'll be very excited to order the new impressive Insider model, the BR 50.40, and its associated freight car sets, as well as the new tooling BR 042. The new BR 216, hopefully in full metal jacket, will also be on my list. Personally, I couldn't possibly be bothered about the all-plastic Thalys, just like I was not in the least impressed with the all-plastic TGV, Gläserner Zug, Kittel and likewise similar overpriced IMO "second-rate toys". Märklin = metal construction, and hopefully this will continue to be the trend now that the company is solvent again. One sad exception is the overall disappointing PRR F7, which despite being made completely of metal, seems to originate from the Jurassic in terms of detailing. This should not be acceptable anymore in this era of advanced technology. A new tooling of this model is therefore desirable. The Märklin Insider Club states that the first announcement of this year's models will be made just after the Nüremberg Fair in early February. I can't wait... I won't buy the BR 042 (It's to young for me ). I love the BR 50.40 and cars, will buy those.
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Armando		#114 Posted : 09 January 2011 17:17:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: H0 Some say "Jurassic", some say "true classic". They didn't say "new tooling" and I got wot I expected: the classic Märklin F7 tooling. ...And you didn't mind paying the overpriced $$$$ bucks (Euros) for such a stone age model?
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Armando		#115 Posted : 09 January 2011 17:26:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: H0 Based on the available rumours I bet 5:1 that this is the Jurassic true classic plastic Lollo now in a special one-time series with the crappy new universal genious mfx sound decoder. Then, unfortunately for me, this crappy, most likely (5:1) uselessly overpriced model, will definitely NOT be on my list!
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mike c		#116 Posted : 09 January 2011 20:44:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,220 Location: Montreal, QC		Originally Posted by: vimo Anyone know if they might make an all red version of the SBB Re 6/6 in 2011 ? I've been dying to get one for years ! So far they made the Re 10/10 all green and the cargo version Re 6/6. Although this model has not yet been revealed as a 2011 New Item, the chances are very good that such a model will be released in the next few years. The only real question is whether the Re 6/6 will be released on it's own, as part of another Re 10/10 Set, or in a Start Set or Consist Set with some coaches or cars. Among the items that have leaked, a Swiss Freight Set, supposedly with a Re 4/4II (Re 420) is mentioned. It is not clear whether this will be a Re 420 in Cargo colours or perhaps a new model in red. I guess that we will have to wait a few weeks for the official release of all the information about the New Items. Other candidates for coming Swiss models would include Re 4/4I in red, 6 unit RAe Gottardo (50th Anniversary of the Gottardo) as well as the Ae 6/6 with the modified wipers and railings in red. Regards Mike C
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klarinettmeister		#117 Posted : 09 January 2011 23:52:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		Originally Posted by: john black Well ... uh ... not really in dire need for such thingy. As you say - just $$$ ... But a grey NYC double-header F7 (A&B, only !!!) with sound & matching tinplate coaches were nice I totally agree with you!
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jetavdk		#118 Posted : 10 January 2011 08:13:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 55 Location: Friday Harbor, WA		Originally Posted by: alonso231gery Yet another black and red old loco. Are you sure you're not my wife making comments like that??? I had no idea she created a fake user id to keep track of me.
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shannon		#119 Posted : 10 January 2011 09:31:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		Originally Posted by: jetavdk Are you sure you're not my wife making comments like that??? I had no idea she created a fake user id to keep track of me. wifes around the world including mine always make the same comment
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Marius in Africa		#120 Posted : 10 January 2011 10:30:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: jetavdk Are you sure you're not my wife making comments like that??? I had no idea she created a fake user id to keep track of me. What colours would you guys prefer, lilac, pink or how about lime green metallic?
		Marius in Africa HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.
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sebastian		#121 Posted : 10 January 2011 13:45:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 729 Location: Ontario		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa What colours would you guys prefer, lilac, pink or how about lime green metallic? That would be something: pink wheels. Lilac tender, lime green smoke deflectors.
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alonso231gery		#122 Posted : 10 January 2011 14:44:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Originally Posted by: jetavdk Are you sure you're not my wife making comments like that??? I had no idea she created a fake user id to keep track of me. Well if i am your wife then you have a big problem, because i am here since 2002, . But then again that can be good because i have a nice collection .
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vimo		#123 Posted : 10 January 2011 18:42:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 26 Location: Belgium		Originally Posted by: mike c Although this model has not yet been revealed as a 2011 New Item, the chances are very good that such a model will be released in the next few years. The only real question is whether the Re 6/6 will be released on it's own, as part of another Re 10/10 Set, or in a Start Set or Consist Set with some coaches or cars. Among the items that have leaked, a Swiss Freight Set, supposedly with a Re 4/4II (Re 420) is mentioned. It is not clear whether this will be a Re 420 in Cargo colours or perhaps a new model in red. I guess that we will have to wait a few weeks for the official release of all the information about the New Items. Other candidates for coming Swiss models would include Re 4/4I in red, 6 unit RAe Gottardo (50th Anniversary of the Gottardo) as well as the Ae 6/6 with the modified wipers and railings in red. Thanks Mike ! Ah yes.... the Gottardo ! Indeed ! I remember seeing that train running in Belgium many years ago, when I was a kid and being fascinated by its unusual setup without a hauling locomotive. I even used to sometimes go on board while it was waiting at the Brussels station just to look around. I managed to go for a trip on it in Switzerland 2 years ago since they rebuilt it. The trip went over the mountains through the Simplon tunnel to Domoddossola in Italy then back along the Geneva lake. What a great and emotional experience ! Enough nostalgia, I guess :-) Since they did make the Grey Mouse with the 6th car that was missing on the Gottardo, I must admit that I was surprised that they had not already issued the 6th car extension for the Gottardo as they have done for many other train sets.... Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait and see and hope !
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H0		#124 Posted : 10 January 2011 22:13:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: steamy LGB: 20980 Säschsische Ik Epoche IV 20990 Säschsische IIk Epoche IV Here's what a German dealer wrote: Quote: LGB: 20980 Sächsische Ik Epoche VI 20990 Sächsische IIk Epoche I http://www.modellbahneck...6e7508e8b22b09cb8f63250c Eras VI and I make more sense than era IV for both.
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steventrain		#125 Posted : 10 January 2011 22:26:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Preview of full 2011 New items in about two weeks time.
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steventrain		#126 Posted : 11 January 2011 17:07:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Marklin 2011 new items update. 39986 Schienbus HO with Jägermeister Advertising (for Eurotrain). Rail Bus green/white with lettering Ulmer Spatz BR97 504 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive era 3 with sound and full interface MFX Softdrive BR97 501 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive gear as above, but with no sound with 3 blunderbusses Epoch III BR05 Insider 39 050 as just another business number and aged (I think it is 39051). V200 in color and label accordingly speaking with 4 D - coaches (metal)??? BR38 (same as 37030) with sound and tub tender.
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sebastian		#127 Posted : 11 January 2011 17:17:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 729 Location: Ontario		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin 2011 new items update. Schienbus HO with Jägermeister Advertising, Rail Bus green/white with lettering Ulmer Spatz BR97 504 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive era 3 with sound and full interface MFX Softdrive BR97 501 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive gear as above, but with no sound with 3 blunderbusses Epoch III BR05 Insider 39 050 as just another business number and aged V200 in color and label accordingly speaking with 4 D - coaches (metal) BR38 (same as 37030) with sound and tub tender. No shots or links Steven?
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Davy		#128 Posted : 11 January 2011 18:08:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin 2011 new items update. Schienbus HO with Jägermeister Advertising, Rail Bus green/white with lettering Ulmer Spatz BR97 504 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive era 3 with sound and full interface MFX Softdrive BR97 501 (0-10-0 tank) locomotive gear as above, but with no sound with 3 blunderbusses Epoch III BR05 Insider 39 050 as just another business number and aged V200 in color and label accordingly speaking with 4 D - coaches (metal) BR38 (same as 37030) with sound and tub tender. It is a hoax. Die Baureihe 97 steht für Zahnraddampflokomotiven der Deutschen Reichsbahn.
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steventrain		#129 Posted : 11 January 2011 18:17:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Davy It is a hoax. Die Baureihe 97 steht für Zahnraddampflokomotiven der Deutschen Reichsbahn. Info from stummi forum and other German forum.
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Marius in Africa		#130 Posted : 11 January 2011 18:34:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: Davy It is a hoax. Die Baureihe 97 steht für Zahnraddampflokomotiven der Deutschen Reichsbahn. Lets for argument sake assume it is a hoax. Only four locomotive (DRG Class 97 501 to 504) where ever built. (As per Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_97.5). My question - will Marklin make a model of such a rare prototype?
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rmsailor		#131 Posted : 11 January 2011 19:18:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 570 Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife		An operational rack and pinion locomotive for Marklin would appear to raise all sorts of problems as regard current pick up and operation with other stock. Bob M
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TimR		#132 Posted : 11 January 2011 21:21:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa My question - will Marklin make a model of such a rare prototype? I think that depends on the appeal of the particular prototype in MRR community, and Marklin's discretion. There was only one V300 prototype, but Marklin made it. There were only three BR05, but Marklin made two different models from it - streamlined and non streamlined. Another example is BR10 - only two were ever built.
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pab		#133 Posted : 11 January 2011 21:45:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		Well a rack locomotive needs special tracks. So I have my doubts. But you never know. Maybe it's an LGB model. I also read rumors about a BR 94, which is also a decapod.
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Bigdaddynz		#134 Posted : 11 January 2011 22:00:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Lets for argument sake assume it is a hoax. Only four locomotive (DRG Class 97 501 to 504) where ever built. (As per Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_97.5). My question - will Marklin make a model of such a rare prototype? Well, they did for the Br05, of which only 3 prototypes were ever built. And there have been many requests for the Br06, of which only 2 were built.
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Bigdaddynz		#135 Posted : 12 January 2011 04:24:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Message I received from Michelle at Marklin USA, along with the latest Digital Newsletter. "Märklin, Trix and LGB 2011 new items will be announced at the end of January, prior to the Nürnberg Toy Fair. Watch these websites for photos and descriptions: www.marklin.com www.maerklin.de www.trixtrains.com www.trix-online.com www.lgb.com "
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steventrain		#136 Posted : 12 January 2011 18:09:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		MS2/CS2 on starter set. 29094 Starter set with BR 01.10 + E94 and 2 MS2. 29440 Starter set with DB III: BR44 + E10 and CS2. 29450 Container Starter set with BR186 and MS2. 29483 Starter set SBB VI: Re 4/4 und Güterwagen and MS2.
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Goofy		#137 Posted : 12 January 2011 18:21:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Mostley of the new models,are upgrade old models! So i´m not surprised to see it...
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Webmaster		#138 Posted : 12 January 2011 19:27:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		BR05 Insider 39 050 as just another business number and aged Seems like a funny loco to me.... Or maybe it's like 39050, not BR 39 050...
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steventrain		#139 Posted : 12 January 2011 20:13:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Webmaster BR05 Insider 39 050 as just another business number and aged Seems like a funny loco to me.... Or maybe it's like 39050, not BR 39 050... It is 39051 BR05.
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TimR		#140 Posted : 12 January 2011 22:07:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: steventrain MS2/CS2 on starter set. 29094 Starter set with BR 01.10 + E94 and 2 MS2. 29440 Starter set with DB III: BR44 + E10 and CS2. 29450 Container Starter set with BR186 and MS2. 29483 Starter set SBB VI: Re 4/4 und Güterwagen and MS2. Notice the subtle difference between Roco starter sets and Marklin starter sets. Roco offer the option of a number of super premium models in their starter - like the BR03.10 (41307) and E10 (41275) sets. Their sets are therefore used as a showcase for some of their best models. Once you're impressed with such quality, the strategy says, it'll be easy to hook you up with the rest of our range. These offers tell customers that Roco is solely focused on creating best European models. Controllers, arguably, are of secondary importance. Marklin starter sets OTOH seems to have been designed to showcase their digital system first and foremost. Once you're hooked to our digital system, you'll be so impressed you want to stay on, then we can start selling you other stuff. New customers must not be shown their absolute best models. DCM models made up 50% of the offering, crucially, the mid-level sensible offerings - these may not make very good impression on new customers IMO, and if they don't, they'll assume the rest of Marklin range is crap. BR44 + E10 will be their absolute premium offering, but not many people would be impressed with their 1000+ Euro price. Again, remember that the focus is to introduce the super premium CS2...
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Bigdaddynz		#141 Posted : 12 January 2011 23:09:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Don't be so quick to knock the DCM motor Tim. It can be made to run quietly, parts are freely available, it is simple to fix and this is something many users can do themselves. A wire recently came off my SDS powered 37772 SVT 04 railcar, and in the process it blew a driver IC. Although I spotted the loose wire, no way could I have known what else was wrong (although I knew something else was wrong). Dion was able to fix it without sending it back to Marklin, because he happened to have on hand a board with that very IC on it. Consequently, the railcar was returned to me after 2 months rather than 6 to 8 months waiting for Marklin to fix it. The point being, that SDS although nice motors, are not generally user fixable, whereas DCM certainly are. This is something that worries me a lot, being so far away from the Mother Ship.
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RayF		#142 Posted : 12 January 2011 23:26:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Personally, I think a lot of the "hardcore" enthusiasts miss the point of starter sets. I think they are an introduction to the hobby. They should be affordable, such that they could be a Christmas or Birthday present. The premium starter sets are already very expensive, including as they do a full function digital controller like the CS2 and two complete train sets. If they were to include in the sets the highest specification locomotives it would increase the cost even further. The phrase "leave them wanting more" I think is the best policy here.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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TimR		#143 Posted : 12 January 2011 23:27:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Don't be so quick to knock the DCM motor Tim. It can be made to run quietly, parts are freely available, it is simple to fix and this is something many users can do themselves. Hi Dave, being a late newcomer, it was quite a steep learning curve for me when I started, but nowadays I can about fix anything too with DCMs. I'm glad that I stayed, since Marklin do make better models than the ones I got introduced with. Had 99% of the range are still made up of DCMs, I would have sold off everything and convert to Roco. The problem is, customer trend is changing. This is an era where people takes convenience and refinement over anything else. They want everything to be perfect, no hassle, and has the upmost refinement. Many people just aren't that patient enough to want to tinker with DCM designs. I've said this before, since this is an open motor design, there's a lot of things that could go wrong during assembly. Little things, but they will frustate the hell out of still clueless new customers that just bought an expensive, brand new Marklin starter set. Noisy, uneven running, ergo a lemon, they thought. Click eBay, and never look back. What is the percentage of these? We'll never know. Most of them might not even bother to look for answer here, for example. But where is the support from Marklin themselves? These motors are not for beginners IMO.
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TimR		#144 Posted : 12 January 2011 23:32:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: RayPayas The premium starter sets are already very expensive, including as they do a full function digital controller like the CS2 and two complete train sets. If they were to include in the sets the highest specification locomotives it would increase the cost even further. The phrase "leave them wanting more" I think is the best policy here. Ray, I think the premium sets from Marklin are already too premium as they are. I haven't seen anyone else selling a starter set at that price...
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5HorizonsRR		#145 Posted : 12 January 2011 23:46:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		My two cents here: As long as they offer a certain level of features and functionality Marklin really should make them an attractive price proposition; even if a low-end or high-end set. What I mean is, a full bore two train CS2 start set should not have to cost the sum of its components individually. Other than getting everything in one box there is no incentive for a new or existing Marklin user to buy it. The same goes for a more entry level set. What I admire Bemo for doing for years is offering start sets at a significant discount from what all the components list for. They essentially sell off older/existing inventory by tossing it in a set. You typically get about $500+ worth of components for $350. This makes them an attractive proposition for both collectors and new entries to the hobby who get top of the line equipment for a discount. On the back end, Bemo moves exra inventory so everyone wins. They only offer about 4 sets so there is still plenty in the range for others to expand and Bemo to make full margins on...
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H0		#146 Posted : 13 January 2011 00:51:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayPayas The premium starter sets are already very expensive, including as they do a full function digital controller like the CS2 and two complete train sets. If they were to include in the sets the highest specification locomotives it would increase the cost even further. A "naked" CS 60214 without power supply cost more than those old premium start sets with a CU 6021 and two digital trains. The new premium sets are 3x the price of the old sets. When I got back into the hobby, I was looking for a 200 Euro starter set. These expensive sets are rather "upgrader sets" than "starter sets", I presume. A starter must be very enthusiastic to begin with a 1000+ Euro set. Originally Posted by: RayPayas The phrase "leave them wanting more" I think is the best policy here. Don't leave them disappointed on the other hand. Some locos with a sound decoder are a joke considering the noise coming from motor and/or gear.
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john black		#147 Posted : 13 January 2011 01:07:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister I totally agree with you! Right, David. OTOH - instead of talking to M we also could throw coins into a wishing well. Same result ...
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john black		#148 Posted : 13 January 2011 01:11:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Originally Posted by: alonso231gery Well if i am your wife then you have a big problem, because i am here since 2002 But then again that can be good because i have a nice collection Careful here, Tuco. He might marry you ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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river6109		#149 Posted : 13 January 2011 01:52:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,874 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Hi All, HO wrote: TimR wrote: if the new Lollo is metal, I think it'll use the lower frame of BR218. The Lollo is 40 cm shorter than the BR 218. You sure of this ? 40 cm shorter = you don't mean 40mm or 4 cm. John
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RayF		#150 Posted : 13 January 2011 02:02:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I think Tom meant that the prototype Lollo is 40cm shorter than the prototype Br218.
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