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I confess I did it (some day I'll tell Wife so ya better don't tell her first ... [}:)]) Well, she's a beautyful German (25) and she wanted to leave her former master, an old man in his seventies. He had taken possession of her just three days ago, but she was lonely and unhappy there. When visiting his residence she whispered "take me!" ... I had no choice, for 100 bucks she was mine. Since she was nice but dirty we had to go to the bathroom first, and after a thorough clean-up (not the slightest scratch on her skin) she showed me what she can !!! I'm still dizzy ...  Wanna know her name and number ??? E194091-5 (#3022.5 - the only "short roof" E194 model), built in 1980 in Western Germany. My man, what a piece of analog excellence & quality !!! She's my 6th Gator, now, and she looks, humms and runs like brand new [:p][:p][:p] John Will post a family picture next week ... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />When visiting his residence she whispered "take me!" ... I had no choice,.. John, Marklin should hire you to set up a new marketing strategy !  Gregor
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Gregor - I swear she actually begged for taking her home. And she was so cute. I simply could not let her out in the cold ... |
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John, I know your wife will send me death rays, but... Here are some pics of 'Grampa', a Piko E93. (Sorry for the bad focus, still learning digital camera operations.)  Gramps passing the Blau 3722.  Gramps waiting next to an E94.  All three Loks meeting.  Under the spotlight. Ok, just a flashlight, but is's all I had handy.[:p] |
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John, this is a fever...what's her name?   |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by McLae<br />John, I know your wife will send me death rays, but ... Thomas: - she got used to it. Actually, meanwhile she's the one who's encouraging me most of the time when it comes to a new loco. Wifes have to subject themselves important learning processes, sometimes ... [}:)] Thanks for the great pictures, John post scriptum: Well, that blue one ... (sigh) ... what you were telling about death rays, huh ? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by almagik<br />John, this is a fever ... what's her name? Her name is Gator [}:)] BTW - please give us MORE of your excellent E94 pictures [:p], Alberto !!! John |
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My Gator family picture: please excuse the poor quality [xx(] - it's the collection that counts ...  Back row, left to right: 39221, 3356, 39223 Front row, left to right: 3335, 3022, 3322 |
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Nice collection, John. I only have two (my 3022 E194 and my 3356 Be6/8) But they are beautiful. |
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Alberto: U N B E L I E V A B L E [:0][:0][:0] - they are beautyful ... excellent ... yours are the very best Gator pictures I've ever seen [:p][:p][:p][:p][:p] Mille Grazie, my friend John |
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WOW[:0] Great video,Very quality films |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
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Back row, left to right: 39221, 3356, 39223
Front row, left to right: 3335, 3022, 3322
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Cool movies, Alberto  Thank you , Ron and Steven John |
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Much better than my photos. I need more practice! |
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Hi all
Nice pictures guys - great quality Alberto ( Also interesting catenery solution) |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Tony
<br />( Also interesting catenery solution)
very cheap, 2 pixel grey line added. |
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Nice collection John [:p].
I have a green Ce 6/8 crocodile 39560.The brown 39561 is still on my wishlist.
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Alberto,I really like your pictures [:p].I can see you're a lighting expert.
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Thank you, Guus . There's only one remaining on my list: #37490 GG-1 (The American Gator) - but I'll wait til all the bugs are out ... Best Regards, John |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by McLae<br />Much better than my photos I need more practice! Well. Ya can challenge Alberto, then [}:)] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Alberto,I really like your pictures [:p]. Thanks Guus, this is for you  Other pics here http://www.marklinfan.net/risultato.htm |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by john black<br />Mille Grazie, my friend John John, you give me a great satisfaction, here the 3022 from the sixty  other pics here: http://www.marklinfan.net/risultato.htm |
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Alberto - thank your kind efforts my loco gallery is growing to unknown dimensions ... [:p][:p][:p] Mille Grazie, again John Edit: Hey, you did mention Guus' (and also my) Gators at your web site - how nice. And just look at that lovely and perfectly built module - everything seems to be real ! Must have been an instant success at Bereguardo Train Show ... |
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Top quality pictures,almagik |
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Mille grazie Alberto , Beautiful [:p].Märklin should ask you to make some nice photos for their next yearbook! Kind regards Guus |
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forgive me for asking sth ridiculus.but what is a gator? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:originally posted by alonso231qery
forgive me for asking sth ridiculus.but what is a gator? To all of our American forum friends please correct if I'm wrong ,but gator is an acronym for alligator or crocodile. The Swiss Be 6/8 was I believe the first loc nicknamed crocodile ,because of it's form.And any loc resembling this form is also called crocodile or gator if you want. Best regards Guus post scriptum: Don't know if our Australian or English members use the word gator as well. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
The Swiss Be 6/8 was I believe the first loc nicknamed crocodile ,because of it's form.And any loc resembling this form is also called crocodile or gator if you want.
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Hi Alonso, I confirm, and add, for to call a loco Crocodile it must have fronts articulated. (sorry for my English). If you look at a croco run over a succession of bends you can understand why it's so named, [:p][:p][:p], and Swiss, where it's born, is full of wonderful bends. For me, it's the must beatiful loco never built. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />What is a gator ? Nikos : Gators (aka Alligators aka Crocodile aka Cocodrillo) are those long-nosed green beasts we are playing [:p][:p][:p] with here. Alas, this species is long gone now (except for museums) but in our small MRR world they can live forever. Generally it subdivides into an Swiss, an German and an American branch (although the only U.S. Gator GG-1 isn't really articulated, but what shalls ) Most of the time darn expensive but sometimes ya can find a real bargain - like my excellent $100 #3022 from last week ... John |
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<br />M should ask you to make some nice photos for their next yearbook! Yeah - Alberto's masterpieces would give them top class, indeed. And much more pep !!! But then I couldn't afford that catalog, anymore ... [xx(] John |
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Hehe, well done, Alberto - what a cute lil' beast ... BTW, where can I find those BigBoy and Mikado movies ? - forgot to store and can't find them now AND, do you by chance got any pictures of the Swiss Cocodrillo in "verde classico" ??? John |
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if that is a gator then i have one too the famous 39560,
i have to admit that event in that scale that little creature is still a beast!!!
i hope they will reproduce the grey croco with a mfx c-sinus motor
and i am worried if the change in the digital system will affect my 39-560
he is a must have,i am thinking of buying the plastic case only for him,he worths that.
But his pantographs are a little problem,since i do not have catenary i do not care...
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Never mind - you can own dozens of Electrics without having it. But cat surely adds to the fun. Also looks great |
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There are two legends (that I know) to explain the name "Krokodil":
- some say it's a joke about the name "Cockerill" (a loco engineer)
- some say it's because the locos look like crocodiles.
Cockerill built three steam locos with engineer's cab in the middle of the loco - according to that definition, the V100 would also be a crocodile ...
If you define "crocodile" by behaviour (on turnouts), you would have to include German E91, too!
If you define "crocodile" by shape, than German E69 will qualify, too. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
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If you define "crocodile" by shape, than German E69 will qualify, too.
According to this definition, well, my car is a crocodile, too! The "cab" is in the middle. Thats valuable news. I'll keep that in mind for the day when I'll resell it. Hans Martin
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it is pretty good to see some germans too in this forum,u r a minority here even though marklin is your company.
why u r so few?
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<br />Forgive me for asking sth ridiculus Never. Cos there's nothing to forgive, my friend . Asking questions is a sign of cleverness [:p] - thus a thing like a stupid question doesn't exist. But there can be idiotic answers [xx(][xx(][xx(] John |
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As I understand it (From old M* catalogs ) the SBB had Crocodilles or Crocks. DB/OBB had Alligators or Gators. (Except for OBB 1089 Croc) Next year maybe for my first Croc.[:p] As for gators, I just did a nose count[:o)] and came up with 10[:0]. Not counting Gramps (E93). Plus One Roco 1020 on order and two E93s in the mail. (The count does include the twins. Somehow I wound up with two 194-112-9[:o)]) |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />it is pretty good to see some germans too iin this forum,u r a minority here even though marklin is your company.
why u r so few?
i would expect u to full this site.
Well, I can only speak for myself. There are many German Märklin forums, you will find a huge number of German Märklin enthusiasts there. So why do they not participate in this international forum ?? Maybe it has to do with language abilities, I don't know. What I do know is that the multinational participants in this forum are a funny bunch, knowledgable experts and above all: <u>the most distinguished and polite number of gentlemen ever seen and read in any forum !!! Yes !!</u> Johann |
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Hi John, here http://www.marklinfan.it/marklinnew.htmthere are some pics from my Chirstmas 2003 layout, have you already downloaded them? Tomorrow I'll take some photos to the 3756 my first green -37569 weathered - 26730 freight train set under the catenary of Diorama. And here http://www.marklinfan.it/videoclip.htmthere are some video of a BigBoy over a trestle, are them those you wanted? The Challenger,gg1 and Mikado video are in the trains room... bye |
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they are very good videos,i wish they were longer... |
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I agree with Johann in any respect ! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />u r a minority here even though marklin is your company.
Unfortunately, M* is not my company. Otherwise I would be very rich and happy, as I had sold all these wonderful gators shown here in the thread. Hans Martin
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it has german origin
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<br />Somehow I wound up with two 194-112-9 [:o)] Gatormaster - such can happen when collecting too hard ... Alberto - got 'em, again. Thanks Johann - you're too kind. All the best back to you BTW, got a question, please. I know German and American Gators were in freight AND passenger service. How about the Swiss one - did she see any passenger duty, too ? Thanks, John |
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Hi John,
As far as I know the Swiss Croc's were freight only for the Gotthard route. From what I've been told, unlike most other railroads, the SBB ordered most their locomotives to be designed for a specific purpose, be it freight/passenger/a special route like the Gotthard. Therefore until era 4/5 few locomotives did regular service as both |
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