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Offline hmsfix  
#1 Posted : 20 February 2005 19:30:52(UTC)
hmsfix


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Hi all,

I am thinking about buying an ESU mobile control (http:\\www.loksound.de) for wireless railroad contol (I like zapping). Does anyone know whether this is a good idea ?

Regards

Hans Martin
Offline Timaximus  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2005 19:35:39(UTC)
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It is a good idea!

I will buy one myself.

Because when there are visitors I like to explain all the activity they see from the living room through the Plexiglass (showcase).

When I talk to them I can change the activity of the trains with the remote.
So I don't need to walk to the control system inside the train-room.

Maybe there are already ESU Mobile users on this forum who want to share their experiences with us? wink

Regards,

Timaximus
Märklin | HO | C+K Track | Digital | I+II+III+IV+V | Power and control by Uhlenbrock | Win-Digipet
Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2005 19:52:44(UTC)
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I have already ordered one. It is backprdered at the LokShop. As soon as I get it, i will let you know.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline Timaximus  
#4 Posted : 20 February 2005 19:58:59(UTC)
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Allrighty then!!!
Märklin | HO | C+K Track | Digital | I+II+III+IV+V | Power and control by Uhlenbrock | Win-Digipet
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#5 Posted : 20 February 2005 22:47:35(UTC)
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I allready have one and like it very much! There's one slight disadvantage with it, the speed control wheels has to be pushed on to change direction of the loco under control, but it works a little to light. I mean that it happens quite often that direction is switched unintentionallly. The silver color on the casing isn't of very high quality, it comes of easily.
Overall it's a very nice device!
Sander
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Offline klinge-germany  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2005 14:16:23(UTC)
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sounds like milk and honey, this is the device i was longing for... a remote control which is able to connect to a 'classic' 6021 and not IR based as the old Märklin one. And a real 'mobile' one and not the pseudo one that comes with the new starterpacks from mother M. I think i will start selling these via ebay, so the price of the ESU mobile station is a little bit lower at the end.
And no need to buy an IB with loco.net and so on.
Greetings to all of you around the world
A happy Alfred.
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Offline Mikael  
#7 Posted : 21 February 2005 15:27:52(UTC)
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Holy smoke. If it wasn't for this discussion here, I wouldn't have known such a thing even existed. I'll just have to get one of those [:p]
Offline Timaximus  
#8 Posted : 21 February 2005 17:49:18(UTC)
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The advantage of this device is the display I think.
Compared to the Uhlenbrock IRIS without a display you don't have to guess if the button is pushed correctly or not.

A disadvantage is that accidental push effect as Sander described.
Because it is not good for the engine to switch from direction when running at full speed.
But with a bit of exercise.

Nevertheless I want one biggrin.
Märklin | HO | C+K Track | Digital | I+II+III+IV+V | Power and control by Uhlenbrock | Win-Digipet
Offline hmsfix  
#9 Posted : 21 February 2005 21:26:22(UTC)
hmsfix


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Hi,

as I see there is a lot of positive experience with the ESU mobile control. I find the price level anounced by ESU somewhat "advanced", to say the least. However, the possibility to use it with a 6021 control unit and that it works without direct visual contact to the base station (radio control, not IR) makes it very interesting. I think one additional remote control set more won't kill me (beyond TV, DVD, and video recorder)

Regards

Hans Martin

Offline Sander van Wijk  
#10 Posted : 22 February 2005 16:25:25(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Mikael,

I think you're right. A lot of people don't even know the device exists. The promotion of these Mobile controls isn't optimal. This is probably due to the fact that there have been some legal issues for use in a lot of countries (radio frequency troubles and such)
This problem is solved for the EU since february 2004. ESU is starting promotion again this year I guess...
Sander
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Offline fynrfin  
#11 Posted : 22 February 2005 18:19:29(UTC)
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I checked the loksound website. It seems to say under frequently asked questions that with an IB it will only run Motorola format loks. I have several DCC loks that run great with the IB. Did I understand correctly that they would not be controllable with the Mobile Control?

Here is the link

http://www.loksound.de/index.php?showCat=9

Steen
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hmsfix
<br />Hi all,

I am thinking about buying an ESU mobile control (http:\\www.loksound.de) for wireless railroad contol (I like zapping). Does anyone know whether this is a good idea ?

Regards

Hans Martin
Steen Jorgensen
Offline tonyfh  
#12 Posted : 22 February 2005 20:21:19(UTC)
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Hello all,

I am using a mobile control with a 6021, great setup and works fine.

@Steen:
I checked my manual for you and indeed it says it only works with Motorola protokol.
However the German language FAQ at ESU says it a little different: Mobile Control with Intellibox: connection via I2C bus, that means you are limited to the functions of the Marklin digital system, i.e. 80 adresses, 14 speed steps and 4+1 functions.
So totally clear to me it is not (I am not familiar with the IB), maybee one of the forum members owning both the IB and the MC can test this for you.

Greetings, Tony.

On second thoughts, can you control a DCC lok with a Control 80F via the IB??
I guess if yes, the mobile control should also work, just guessing!!!!

Grtz, Tony
Offline rschaffr  
#13 Posted : 22 February 2005 20:46:46(UTC)
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I'll let you know as soon as I get mine.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#14 Posted : 22 February 2005 20:58:28(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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I haven't checked whether it works with DCC when coupling it to the IB, but I interpret the text on the website in another way: IF you choose to connect the Mobile Control with the I2C-bus the functionality is limited to the regular Märklin Digital functions + the so called comfort functions. (Like Symbols, Loko names.)
I guess IF you choose to connect with the X-bus, the DCC functionality will be maintained. (An extra argument for that is that the Mobile Control functions also with the Fleischmann Twin Center, which is almost the same as an IB, except it doesn't have the Motorola feature, so if it's impossible to use DCC there's nothing left for Twin Center users. wink
Just a tought...
Sander
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Offline steamfriend  
#15 Posted : 22 February 2005 23:30:21(UTC)
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Hi all,

For me this wireless is the best item I bought since I started digital, really !! I can anyone recommend it. It is simple in use, smart (you can write in the name of the lok, e.g. 44 135, no more fuzzing with the address number)
And it works by radio communication, so you can litteraly put it into your pocket and use from there. To impress your visitors !biggrinbiggrin.

It is also so nice you can just plug it into the good old 6021. ANd the reciever can take up to 4 transmitters. If not enough, you can extend again with another three receivers....

I just love it!!

Cheers,

Bob
Offline tonyfh  
#16 Posted : 23 February 2005 22:12:30(UTC)
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Hello All,

Sander, sorry to correct you, but the manual of the mobile control clearly states: do not connect the MC to the Intellibox via the cable, only via the I2C connection.
The reasen they give is the cable connection of the MC is X-bus and the cable connection of the IB (and F* twincenter) is Loconet.
These two use the same plugs, but use completely different electrical connections, and connection of the two results in serious damage to the IB and the MC.

So, everybody, please read the manual very careful before using this apparatus via the cable to prevent serious damage.

Greetings, Tony.

Did you know reading is an art? I know now
Why? because now I have read in the manual: the I2C bus has to be used when the baseunit of the MC is used with: 6021, IB, F*Twincenter !!!

Greetings again, Tony.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#17 Posted : 24 February 2005 12:02:47(UTC)
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Ok, Tony, thanks for checking out and correcting!
Good to keep focused wink
Sander
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#18 Posted : 24 February 2005 13:41:15(UTC)
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Lots of misunderstandings here, some corrected and some not I think. I'll give it a try.

The control has two connection possibilites: Lenz X-bus or Märklin I2C-bus. As there currently is no adapter deliverable between X-bus and LocoNet/Intellibox, the only way to connect the control to Intellibox is via the I2C-bus, which is, the connections on the side of Intellibox, and Märklin white boxes.

This in turn means that only commands that can be sent through this bus are available. Meaning, 80 (possibly 256) adresses, 1+4 functions and 14 speed steps, and no absolute direction. But this has nothing to do whether the Intellibox sends Motorola I, Motorola II, DCC 14, DCC 28, DCC 128, Selectrix or whatever. You can perfectly well use the control to run a loco with DCC28; the 14 speed steps are translated to every second of the decoder I think, and functions above f4 will not be executed. Absolute direction will set from the Intellibox; which keeps track of the diretion changes from the controller etc.

I don't own the control, as I'm quite happy with my Daisy with spiral cable, but the above description is a very clear deduction from how the Intellibox works; it's nothing new having a controller connected to the I2C bus, in the IBs point of view.

Regards,
Lars
Offline dikken  
#19 Posted : 25 February 2005 21:11:12(UTC)
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I have one as well! bought it last year, was immediately convinced by the belgian distributers demonstration. http://www.modeltrainservice.com/

one word: Wonderfull !!!!

- Radio wave controlled, not infrared so no directive pointing needed,
reach 100 meters unobstructed (outdoors)
- multiple languages
- name your loc yourself
- can be used with different systems
- ergonomic, you only need one hand to operate
- ...

Dikken

Check out my site:
http://www.modelspoorhobby.be
Offline rschaffr  
#20 Posted : 25 February 2005 22:13:24(UTC)
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Can't wait to get mine. I am in the process of re-designing my home grown train control software to allow me to hand drive one train and have the ones under computer control react to it. That way I can concentrate on one train and still have a number of them running without fear of collisions. My decision point now in the software development is whether I am going to allow myself to drive a train past a red signal and if so, how I will make the other trains react. (Basically, how much do I trust myself! Smile)
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline Mikael  
#21 Posted : 25 February 2005 22:37:25(UTC)
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I came home with one today Smile
I just wanted to have a look at it, and perhaps try how it felt in my hand. But as soon as my hands touched it, I was sold on the spot. The only downside is that I'll have to wait until tomorrow to try it (batteries not included [:(]).
Offline john black  
#22 Posted : 26 February 2005 00:36:24(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />whether I am going to allow myself to drive a train past a red signal ...


... lil' Grandson will have fun with you biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

John

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Offline rschaffr  
#23 Posted : 26 February 2005 00:46:12(UTC)
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John: Actually, I have decided to do it both ways...I'll have a checkbox in the setup screen for restrictive and non-restrictive manual operations.
-Ron
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Offline john black  
#24 Posted : 26 February 2005 00:55:20(UTC)
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Wow ! Ron - you see me impressed, again ... [:p]

John

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