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DamonKelly		#1 Posted : 15 September 2007 17:53:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,421 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Maybe this should be in Digital... I just fitted a Seuthe #11 to my SZD 37159. Very easy installation -- just insert and push down. Upon squirting some Seuthe smoke oil in -- lots of smoke! Then I got to thinking...how does the smoke unit cope with no oil? It appears that the decoder in 37159 is not set up to turn the smoke gen ON or OFF. [:(] Will the smoke gen unit be damaged by being ON all the time with no oil in it?
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2ndChancer		#2 Posted : 15 September 2007 18:59:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 587 Location: Hong Kong,		Hi Damon The 37159 comes w a 6090 decoder, so I suspect the smoke unit is tied with the headlight. Mine doesn't smoke(!?), but I can check the connections later. Eric
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intruder		#3 Posted : 15 September 2007 19:16:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		If you install another decoder you may use one of the functions (e.g. f1) to control the smoke generator.
		Best regards Svein, Norway grumpy old sod
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M-Trackman		#4 Posted : 16 September 2007 04:05:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/06/2007(UTC) Posts: 39 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DamonKelly <br /> Will the smoke gen unit be damaged by being ON all the time with no oil in it? That shouldn't be a problem. I have a 3046 loco that came with the smoke generator installed back in 1975. Digital was a long way off, those generators were always on while the loco was running. I ran this loco sometimes with smoke oil, but most of the time without. It has covered a fair amount of ground and it still works today.
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DaleSchultz		#5 Posted : 16 September 2007 21:02:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I use a relay to switch it off. See towards the end of http://layout.mixmox.com...stalling_digital_decoder Digital current is higher than the old 16vAC and the older decoders were designed to be used as a various voltages up to 16V AC certainly not full 16V AC all the time. Digital power is on all teh time and higher so I do not let my smoke generators run unless I am using them. Even when using them, my software switched them OFF if it goes into a tunnel or invisible areas of the layout. This also conserves digital power.
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Hemmerich		#6 Posted : 18 September 2007 21:03:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		I just mentioned it already in another thread but here again: The "smoker selection rule" is quite simple: - for analog and switchable digital operation use the normal 16V units - for Delta and other non switchable digital operation use the 19V units (i.e. direct connection between the smoker and the slider) 16V units are #7226, 72270 and Seuthe #10, 20 (pink bottom inlay) 19V units are Seuthe #11 and #24 (green bottom inlay) Note: 16V units are actually specified for voltages between 10 and 16V, 19V units for voltages between 16 and 22V.
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DamonKelly		#7 Posted : 24 September 2007 15:07:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,421 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Dale, Have you any experience with using solid-state relays? They are very small (particularly the surface-mount devices), but I'm having trouble finding the frequency response specifications. They generally seem aimed at 50/60Hz applications (unsurprisingly). I wonder how they cope with #kHz power? A relay does solve the problem of the potentially variable voltage difference provided by a digital decoder output against chassis ground. I assume a "19V" unit would be appropriate in this case...
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DaleSchultz		#8 Posted : 24 September 2007 18:07:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		no, I don't think the ones I used are solid state. I have been using 12V ones and getting away with it as can be seen at http://layout.mixmox.com...stalling_digital_decoder Certainly a 20V one would be perfect
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DamonKelly		#9 Posted : 25 September 2007 17:17:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,421 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Dale, The relay in your photo is mechanical. It's been at least 15 years since I last looked at "solid-state relays", and things have moved on! [:I] It seems the low-power units are equally at home with AC or DC. I answered my own question [:I] BTW the "19V" was about the smoke units, not the relay.
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DaleSchultz		#10 Posted : 25 September 2007 17:40:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		cool, let me know if you find a nice small and cheap solid state relay....
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laalves		#11 Posted : 25 September 2007 17:49:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		The answer to your prayers is: http://www.loksound.de/index.php?showId=133 Scroll down to product 51963. I've used it for things like switching a whole bunch of coach lamps from the lok. Current rating is 1 amp. It's very, very small, you can fit it anywhere.
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DaleSchultz		#12 Posted : 25 September 2007 19:22:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		is that solid state ?
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laalves		#13 Posted : 26 September 2007 00:02:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz <br />is that solid state ? Don't think so, it makes a relatively loud mechanical click when it actuates.
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DaleSchultz		#14 Posted : 26 September 2007 01:14:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		a loud click would indicate to me that is IS mechanical.
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laalves		#15 Posted : 26 September 2007 02:33:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz <br />a loud click would indicate to me that is IS mechanical. Ditto....
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