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Offline rhfil  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2024 00:09:33(UTC)
rhfil

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Has anyone ever installed a memory card to expand the memory of the CS3? I just tried and can not seem to get the card to seat into the slot. It seems to get pushed back out. Are there any instructions anywhere on the process?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2024 00:39:47(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi
I have installed a memory card in my CS3 (60226) since 2 or 3 years and I have no problem using it.
Here is what Märklin says about it
With an SD card (SDHC), you can expand the internal memory (4 GB) by
up to 32 GB of memory. All you have to do is plug the card in the card slot.
You do not have to do any other settings.
Note: Märklin does not recommend using SD cards as removable media.
They should be used only for the purpose described here of expanding
memory. You should prefer USB sticks to copy files such as locomotive
images to the CS3


I purchased mine at the local Carrefour Hypermarket in France.

So better have a few pictures than a big Yakkedi Yak
Here is the rear of the CS3 with the SD card and its insert ready to be pushed in
Sans titre.png

Now is the detail of the insert (Left) and its SD Card (right), in my case a 32 GBytes memory

So you slide the card in its insert (usually provided) and then in the CS3 (a fool-proof insertion)
sans titre1.png

If you wish to extract the insert, you push again on it and it pops out

Cheers
Jean
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Offline dickinsonj  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2024 00:46:29(UTC)
dickinsonj

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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone ever installed a memory card to expand the memory of the CS3? I just tried and can not seem to get the card to seat into the slot. It seems to get pushed back out. Are there any instructions anywhere on the process?


Make sure the card is in the correct orientation. If it isn't, it won't click into place and just gets ejected again, which sounds like your problem.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2024 01:41:49(UTC)
rhfil

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First there is only one way for the card to go into the slot and I have tried every way. But thanks to Johnjean's pictures I think I must have the wrong card as it looks like his two pictures had a child and my card was the result. It has the configuration of the larger one but does not have the knobs on the far left and the two top contacts are closer together. It is older so perhaps of an earlier type. And I purchased it for a camera. But it does go into my laptop.
Johnjean, have you ever looked into the memory card to see what is in it? I am hoping to solve a problem with a club CS3+ that might be the result of having reached the capacity of its internal memory. There are well over 100 locos on it and that must use up a lot of memory. Just not sure what ends up on the card.
Offline Pasquiles  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2024 07:06:21(UTC)
Pasquiles

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One more recommandation regarding the SD card. The one for the CS3 is up to 32 GB, these cards are getting more and more difficult to find as the standard capacity is going up and up. So if you are considering to buy a SD card, now it is the moment.
Offline PerR  
#6 Posted : 20 November 2024 08:28:14(UTC)
PerR

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I have used a SD card in my own and in the club CS3+, without problems the last 3 years.

I recommend a 32 GB card of the type Class 10 or U1 for speed indication.

In the club we have 400+ locomotives in the locomotive list more than 200 elements in the article list.

I allways make backups to the SD card, so the backups are not filling up the memory in the CS3.

Best regards
Per
Offline rhfil  
#7 Posted : 20 November 2024 12:39:16(UTC)
rhfil

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Marklin recommends not using the SD card for backup but using a thumb drive. From the CS3+ PDF: Tip: Märklin recommends you do not
use SD cards as removable storage,
but exclusively for the described
purpose of storage expansion. Utilize
USB sticks for removable storage, such
as to copy locomotive images into the
CS3.
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Offline FrankF  
#8 Posted : 20 November 2024 14:15:45(UTC)
FrankF

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MARKLIN CS 3 / 3+ - SD-CARD SPECIFIKATIONS :

SD-CARD ( Maximum 32 GB ) - Mini SD-Card can alos be used with the supplied "Adapter" for the Mini SD-Card

Remember that the SD-CARD must not be "Locked" for Writing ( Push the Slider on the SD-Card to allow Writing to the SD-Card )

The SD-Card has to be Formatted in : FAT32 or VFAT

On newer Software-Updates for CS 3 / 3+ the "cs3"-directory and 6 Sub-dirctory's is created the first time the SD-Card is inserted into the SD CARD-Slot



SD-Card Updates ( from CS 3 / 3+ Software-version 2.2.0 and forward )


SD-Cards with more "Partitions" is now "supported" correct by CS 3 / 3+ ( CS 3/3+ Software 2.2.0 or higher )

An Update of Data on the SD-Card is now included and will be Started when the CS 3/3+ "detects" that the SD-Card is inserted in the SDCard - Slot

When SD-Card is "inserted" in CS 3/3+ the following File-types will now be Transfered only "during a Online-Update" of the CS 3 / 3+.

The following File-types is copied to the SD-Card during the Online-Update
of the CS 3 / 3+ :

- Image-files ( SVG-Images can be used for Events "Erignisse" )

- Sound ( WAV-files 44.1 HZ Stereo-format to played thru Internal / External Speakers )



When a SD-Card is inserted in a CS 3 / 3+ during a "Online Update" the following happens :

cs3 ( Main-Directory is created )

the following Sub-directory's is created inside the "cs3" Main Directory.

- backup ( Backup-files for your CS 3 / 3+ saved by you or by the CS 3 / 3+ when an Online-Update is performed )

- lokcvs ( CV-Profiles for Locomotiv-Decoders )

- lokicons ( Loc-icons in 384 x 144 Pixel / PNG file-format )

- magcvs ( CV-Profiles for Magnetartikel-Decoders )

- pics ( Files i SVG-format which can be used for Events "Erignisse" ) - 303 SVG Image-files ( 2 MB ) copied

- wav ( Sound-files in WAV-format 44.1 HZ Stereo is copied to 14 Category-directorys in the in wav-directory ) - 650 Sound-files ( 150 MB ) copied

to support the User's of CS 3 / 3+.

Remember to always "eject" the SD-Card under the CS 3 / 3+ Systems-Settings before removing the SD-Card. ( Lost som data on the SD-Card because of this )

Edited by user 23 November 2024 19:20:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

CS3+ 60216 SW:2.5.2 - MASTER / CS2 60215 SW:4.3.0(11) - SLAVE
MS2 60653/57 ( SW:4.1 ) / MS1 60652 ( SW:1.8AP ) / 60883 S88 LINK ( SW:1.1 )
MDT 3 (SW 3.6.0) - HW: 60970 / 60971 / 60801
ESU LOKPROGRAMMER ( SW 5.2.6 ) / ESU HW: 53451 / 53900 / 53901
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Offline marklinist5999  
#9 Posted : 20 November 2024 15:41:29(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Thank's Frank! My spouse is a retired I.T. tech. and project manager, so I think we have a few around.
Offline rhfil  
#10 Posted : 20 November 2024 16:05:02(UTC)
rhfil

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Thank you, Frank. Where did you find the info? And have you ever opened the SD card to see what was on it?
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Offline FrankF  
#11 Posted : 23 November 2024 19:19:05(UTC)
FrankF

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Some Information found in CS 3 / 3+ Changelog-file and Internal Help-files.

And in the Marklin Books :

https://www.maerklin.de/de/service/technische-informationen/maerklin-digital
CS3+ 60216 SW:2.5.2 - MASTER / CS2 60215 SW:4.3.0(11) - SLAVE
MS2 60653/57 ( SW:4.1 ) / MS1 60652 ( SW:1.8AP ) / 60883 S88 LINK ( SW:1.1 )
MDT 3 (SW 3.6.0) - HW: 60970 / 60971 / 60801
ESU LOKPROGRAMMER ( SW 5.2.6 ) / ESU HW: 53451 / 53900 / 53901
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Offline rhfil  
#12 Posted : 02 December 2024 00:05:47(UTC)
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A final solution. Thanks for all the help. it turns out that my CS3+ rejects SDHD cards. The problem was not that I had the wrong physical size card. It kept ejecting the card and never allowed it to seat. I finally had the opportunity to bring the same card to a different CS3+ and it seated properly. Strangely enough the second CS3+ would not eject the card and I had to pry if out with a pin. Next step is to insert the card into the club CS3+ to see if it makes a difference. That will happen this weekend. I will bring a pin in case the eject also does not work.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#13 Posted : 02 December 2024 00:59:33(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
trangely enough the second CS3 would not eject the card and I had to pry if out with a pin.Next step is to insert the card into the club CS3 to see if it makes a difference.

you should not pry open the card. You push on it so it gets further inside and then a spring is released and the card pops out. NEVER EVER PRY OPEN.
Same thing to lock the card in place: you should push a little past the flush position with a finger. A spring tries to go against the insertion until you go past the flush position. Then click, the card stays in place.
Cheers
Jean
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Offline rhfil  
#14 Posted : 02 December 2024 02:24:46(UTC)
rhfil

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I did not try to "pry open" the card. In my CS3+ nothing I could do would cause the card to stay in. Even holding it all the way in while turning on the CS3 failed to either secure it or recognize it. In the second CS3 the card did lock in and the CS3 recognized it but when I chose eject nothing happened and the back of the card was flush with the CS3 making grabbing it impossible without moving it out slightly with a pin. This weekend I will get to try the same card in a third CS3+. In fact I just decided to bring two different SDHD cards to see if the problem is the card.
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Offline Steveknz  
#15 Posted : 02 December 2024 11:04:30(UTC)
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Ha ha
Dont make the stupid mistake i made!!!
I put a 32 SDHD into my CS3+ and hit the update tab
I kept getting an error code and couldn't figure out what was going on! -
Eventually I realised the SD card I was trying to use was an ANCIENT unused 32MB SD card for an old camera I had - NOT a 32 GB card
I bought a new 32 GB card during the Black Friday sale and voila, installed without any problem.
What a dick - sometimes the simplest solution is the most overlooked
Sounds like maybe your SD card might be physically damaged and the tabs dont register and lock into the CS3.

My new card cost NZD14 - try a new card



Steve
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 02 December 2024 14:18:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
I did not try to "pry open" the card. In my CS3+ nothing I could do would cause the card to stay in. Even holding it all the way in while turning on the CS3 failed to either secure it or recognize it. In the second CS3 the card did lock in and the CS3 recognized it but when I chose eject nothing happened and the back of the card was flush with the CS3 making grabbing it impossible without moving it out slightly with a pin. This weekend I will get to try the same card in a third CS3+. In fact I just decided to bring two different SDHD cards to see if the problem is the card.


Telling the cs3 software to eject the card will not physically eject it, it only closes down all the OS connections to files on the card so they are all properly closed before physically ejecting the card.

As Jean says, having done the software close down you then need to push the card into the slot to release the spring that will then push it out of the slot. You don't need to pry it with a pin or anything.

The cs3 that the card will not physically go into sounds like it has a faulty card slot. It could be worth dismantling the cs3 to see if you can work out what has happened to the card holder.

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Offline rhfil  
#17 Posted : 02 December 2024 19:28:24(UTC)
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People, it was the exact same SDHD 32GB card. In my CS3+ it will not stay in and every attempt to get the CS3+ to accept and recognize the card including holding it all the way in while booting up the CS3+ failed in that the CS3+ did not acknowledge the card. In the second CS3+ the card went in, stayed in, was acknowledged by the CS3+ but when trying to remove the card the back of it ended up flush with the CS3+ and needed to be pried out with a pin enough to be accessed. Finally the exact same card was inserted into a laptop where it was recognized and the laptop started using it. When all the way into the slot it still stuck out considerably and was easily accessed for removal. I will, this weekend, try the same card in a third CS3+ to see what happens. The second CS3+ did not appear to use the card in any way but it was in for only a short time. If it stays in and is recognized by the third CS3+ I will leave it in for at least 24 hours to see if it has any effect on the operation.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#18 Posted : 02 December 2024 21:18:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post
People, it was the exact same SDHD 32GB card. In my CS3+ it will not stay in and every attempt to get the CS3+ to accept and recognize the card including holding it all the way in while booting up the CS3+ failed in that the CS3+ did not acknowledge the card.

This is the one I'm saying has a faulty SD card connector.

Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post

In the second CS3+ the card went in, stayed in, was acknowledged by the CS3+ but when trying to remove the card the back of it ended up flush with the CS3+ and needed to be pried out with a pin enough to be accessed.

This is where you need to push the card in further and that will release the catch that holds it and allows a spring to push it out to where you can grab it.

Originally Posted by: rhfil Go to Quoted Post

Finally the exact same card was inserted into a laptop where it was recognized and the laptop started using it. When all the way into the slot it still stuck out considerably and was easily accessed for removal


This is another style of SD card connector where the makers don't care if the user manages to damage the card. The cs3 has a different style of socket.
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Offline rhfil  
#19 Posted : 02 December 2024 23:10:32(UTC)
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Or both CS3+ have defective card slots. The first one has a spring that is extended and does not allow a card to seat. The second one has the opposite problem and the pusher spring does not work while the laptop avoids the problem by leaving enough of the card outside the socket so that no spring is needed. We will see what the next CS3+ does with the card.
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