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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 04 May 2024 04:52:04(UTC)
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river6109

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It would be interesting to know how long it will take the model world to introduce automatic coupling as the European rail companies are introducing or fixing more freight carriages with automatic coupling, it maybe the end of having all these different couplings most of them don't couple or are incompatible or may some individual manufacturer will come up with an automatic coupling mechanism,
by the way I've found the most reliable coupling for us is the Roco coupling, as it hooks on both sides

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Offline mvd71  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2024 10:18:07(UTC)
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Ahhhh but which Roco coupling??
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Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 05 May 2024 03:52:25(UTC)
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Ahhhh but which Roco coupling??



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Offline mvd71  
#4 Posted : 05 May 2024 06:40:36(UTC)
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Ahhhh but which Roco coupling??



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But I want the Fleischmann close coupler!RollEyes
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Offline mbarreto  
#5 Posted : 05 May 2024 21:49:45(UTC)
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Roço couples well with Roco although it is not very short coupling.
Fleischmann close complete are really short but they are not soft in coupling and the unciupler Märklin traços are not really made for trem.
The new Märklin close couplers are, currently, my choice.

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Offline mvd71  
#6 Posted : 05 May 2024 22:20:06(UTC)
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What are the new Märklin close couplers?
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#7 Posted : 05 May 2024 23:00:08(UTC)
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They are the 72000 (pack of 50) and 72010 (pack of 10) and 72025 (current conducting, pack of 10)
They look similar to the previous ones but are flater (they squeeze into less room which allows the buffers to be in the prototypical position
Here you can see a front view of the previous coupling on the left and the new one on the right
Sans titre.png

They are compatible with the previous ones (can be mixed w/o problems) AND they are compatible with the current-conducting ones
Apparently Märklin has also increased the vertical tolerence between couplings
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Offline mvd71  
#8 Posted : 06 May 2024 02:10:19(UTC)
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Thanks Jean, that good to know.

Cheers…..

Mike
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Offline Paul59  
#9 Posted : 06 May 2024 09:49:39(UTC)
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I can't really see any manufacturer ever coming up with a decent automatic coupler that works well in all situations.

The current Marklin couplings work well so long as you have a large layout.
Unfortunately many people can't have large layouts either through cost or space restrictions. Small layouts mean that a lot more of the track is on curves and the coupling/uncoupling areas are more likely to be on a curve. The couplings don't work well on curves.
I can't really see a way of making a coupling that will work well on curves.

Strangely the only one I can think of that worked under these conditions was the earlier Triang ones. These were large and hideous looking but they worked under virtually any conditions. I guess they were designed for small 'train set' use.
These days with everyone obsessed with detail and realism the good operation of couplings has to take second place to the couplings appearance.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 06 May 2024 10:18:32(UTC)
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Hi Paul
Agreed Märklin couplers don't work in curves, they are not so tolerant with differences in height and orientation and last, the coupling buckles should be sharpened to avoid a situation when both buckles raise and go past the "advance decoupling tongue".
It looks like a big grievances list but IMO they work quite well

Decoupling


Coupling


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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 06 May 2024 11:26:20(UTC)
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by the way I've found the most reliable coupling for us is the Roco coupling, as it hooks on both sides
Roco offer at least three types of couplers, including a reproduction of the automatic couplers used by DB for their heavy ore trains.
You probably refer to the Roco Universal coupler. There also is the Roco Short coupler.
There must be more Roco couplers, including current-conducting couplers.

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Offline mvd71  
#12 Posted : 06 May 2024 11:48:51(UTC)
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by the way I've found the most reliable coupling for us is the Roco coupling, as it hooks on both sides
Roco offer at least three types of couplers, including a reproduction of the automatic couplers used by DB for their heavy ore trains.
You probably refer to the Roco Universal coupler. There also is the Roco Short coupler.
There must be more Roco couplers, including current-conducting couplers.



You are correct, Roco has a number of different couplers, including the Fleischmann coupler.
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Offline Paul59  
#13 Posted : 06 May 2024 12:10:40(UTC)
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An excellent couple of videos there Jean. I bet you had a lot of fun doing that.

The few wagons that I have with the newer close coupling work really well on straights both coupling and uncoupling and advanced uncoupling. Unfortunately I only have one siding that is straight enough to get the benefit.
I'm not knocking the manufacturers. I think uncoupling/coupling on curves is just not really an option. It's a shame but something we just have to put up with.

I really like your layout,
Paul
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#14 Posted : 06 May 2024 12:40:16(UTC)
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Well, I shall go ahead and "shove my oar in the water" of this "River" LOL

Caveat #1: I am Analogue
Caveat #2: There is this past thread (6 years ago)

https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...-couplers-availability-s

Are we talking about DIGITAL automatic coupling (87:1 Prototype) as shown here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcxeEC-ga3o

Because I found this Roco item which may be the one to which Tom was referring:

https://www.roco.cc/ren/40411-di...llation-kit-nem-652.html

However, I can not begin to imagine the complexities Scared inherent in having something like this installed on hundreds of loks and rolling stock (let alone the "investment" thereunto pertaining...) and whether it will be universal enough to be included in and/or compatible with the MS and/or CS3 systems...(it seems the Roco is specific unto itself).

Also, unless I am reading more or less into this, at this point the Digital couplers really are for just loks? I am open to clarification, please. Would not every single car require some form of power pick-up to control the decoder or would the couplers be "current conducting"?

If I am incorrect, please forgive me, however, I do try to understand as much as I can about our hobby and love Cool

Thanks and apologies in advance Blushing
Jimmy T
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