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Offline kimballthurlow  
#1 Posted : 08 December 2021 03:13:52(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Actually a review of the Märklin models 39192 and 39193.


But to set the scene here is a 1939 picture of E19 on an express train at Unterloquitz.


The district of Unterloquitz in Thuringia is halfway between Berlin and Munich where this photo was taken in 1939. The electrification of this railway route at 15Kva was in planning for some time though not completed until the 1950s. The picture shows one of the newly built E19 electric engines which at that time was the most powerful single unit of its type in the world. Yes, more powerful than the famous Pennsylvania GG1.

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The E19 was the progenitor motive power of what was to be an efficient system linking northern and southern Germany. Unfortunately, the war between Germany and other parts of Europe laid waste to the best efforts of the Deutsche Reichsbahn to modernize and indeed lead the world in railway motive power and infrastructure. I am not sure of the provenance of the photograph nor of the copyright owner and apologize if this causes any angst.
I have used this photo as a guide to stage the same (or similar train) on my layout.
The locomotive in my layout photo is Märklin #39193. First car behind the engine is the sleek Gepackwagen which comes from Märklin set #43258. The destination board says Hamburg Altona but let us not quibble. Next comes a few cars from the Märklin set #42751, mostly 3rd class. Then comes a speisewagen from Märklin set #43258 although the light colour roofed vehicle could easily be a schlafwagen (sleeper). This train was at journey’s halfway, so it is most likely the speisewagen.

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For the next 5-6 weeks, I will be running this train around my layout and admiring the terrific features of the E19 loco which is a sweet runner and has multiple sound effects. The Märklin #39193 is one of the 5 special Museum models issued in the past few years. I am also admiring its place in history and hope one day to see the engine in reality at the DB Museum.
When #39193 was released in 2019 I did not order it, so had to go to some trouble to find what was probably the last one in the world at a Swiss retailer, Amiba. Within 2 weeks it duly arrived which puts to shame the DHL logistics out of Germany which routinely take 4 times longer for some reason.

#39193 is engine number E19 12.
I also have the #39192 in a similar livery, produced by Märklin in 2011 as engine number E19 11.
E19 11 and E19 12 were twins destined to have only 2 siblings - the E19 01 and E19 02 which were built with a similar body but different motor arrangements. All 4 engines worked the same train rosters but by the late 1940s when technology had moved on, the then Deutsche Bundesbahn had new plans and designs for a range of electric locomotives.

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Comparison between the locomotive models show the mechanical differences as:
1. 39192 has Softdrive Sinus motor driving two axles
2. 39193 has a motor with flywheel driving two axles
3. 39193 has the full range sounds of an electric engine, 39192 has none.
4. 39193 has the latest MFX+ decoder, the 39192 is a first generation MFX.


Cosmetic differences are:
1. Same design pantographs in different colour
2. Front and rear skirts and sandboxes in black on 39192, and in red on 39193 as the museum version.
3. 39192 has buffer housings with manufacturer plaque


Both models have a silver V “vorne” (front) imprinted on both sides of one end, and H “heck” (rear) on the opposite end.
Both have the cast eagle symbol of the Third Reich under the windscreen and between the front lights.
The running number is imprinted in silver in the waist just behind the right-side driver entrance door. The driver stood at the controls for a good view forward. The job of an engine driver in that era was a hard one, though I surmise that this engine would have been more comfortable than a steam engine.

The driving characteristics of both models are the same, very responsive to small throttle movements. The #39193 sounds (the whistle in particular) are operationally satisfying. The MFX+ decoder allows the #39193 to use all the play features of driver cab operation available on the Märklin CS2 and CS3 controllers.

Kimball

Edited by user 08 December 2021 22:57:55(UTC)  | Reason: clariefied the part red colouring

HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge.
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 08 December 2021 08:44:53(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
2. Front and rear skirts in black on 39192, and in red on 39193
That's more than just a cosmetic difference: Skirts and sandboxes were black in era II, they are red on the museum machine. So the red skirts and sandboxes clearly mark this loco as the era IV museum machine.

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Tom
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 08 December 2021 09:32:35(UTC)
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Thanks Tom.
I have edited the text to show how those subtle details came about.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge.
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#4 Posted : 08 December 2021 09:46:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
I have edited the text to show how those subtle details came about.
Thanks.
There is more to the story: The locos E 19 01 and E 19 02 had red skirts and sandboxes in era II, but E 19 11 and E 19 12 did not.
When E 19 12 was restored for the museum, they adopted the somewhat incorrect paint scheme from E 19 0x.
E 19.0 have a low bump on the roof, much like E 18. E 19.1 have a big bump on the roof.

Regards
Tom
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Offline foumaro  
#5 Posted : 08 December 2021 09:55:37(UTC)
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I like this locomotive too.I have the 3769 marklin version equipped with esu loksound v4 decoder.I am running her with a train with the marklin cars 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266 and the 42229 set of cars.She is running like a dream.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#6 Posted : 08 December 2021 13:04:04(UTC)
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The E 18 won the Paris exposition grand prix award in 1930. I have a Roco museum edition in grey with a book and wooden box.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 08 December 2021 15:21:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post

3. 39193 has the full range sounds of an electric engine, 39192 has none.
4. 39193 has the latest MFX+ decoder, the 39192 is a first generation MFX.


The sound file for the 39193 is available for download, and the 39192 manual shows the decoder as being plug in, so it would be possible to program an msd/3 decoder, change the settings to drive the soft-sinus motor and get sounds on the 39192 just like its brother (sister?).

Oh, and I meant to mention, I liked the prototype photo. ThumpUp
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#8 Posted : 08 December 2021 20:52:43(UTC)
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Thank you Tom, Panayotis, 5999, and Alan for contributing.

Tom - yes the E18 did have a different roof arrangement for the dynamic braking cooling, and also had rivited body-work whereas the E19 was welded or hidden rivits like aircraft.

Panayotis - yes as we go back, Märklin make a successful model and they stick with it and as a consequence able to re-issue it as many times as they deem fit.
Each time they add an improvement or two (shall we say an incentive Cool ).
Good luck to them, it suits me!

5999 - yes I have been inside the E18 which is at the Koblenz DN Museum annexe. They must have been impressive machines in 1930.
That is 90 years ago - how time flies!

Alan - thanks for the tip about the decoder. I will probably leave mine as is.
I thought the original photo was a beauty too.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#9 Posted : 08 December 2021 22:35:07(UTC)
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Yes, and the E-18 roof elements I think make it look more streamilined. It's got very nice details, and brass color window frames.
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Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 20 December 2021 07:48:40(UTC)
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My E 18 (118) and E 19 have had an upgrade, 2 from a set 3667 = Beige & Turquoise and silver, 1 Blue Br 118 (3768), 1 Green ( 3767), 1 Red (E 19 = 3769) and 1 Green Austrian (3369), I also have an Austrian Roco Rh 1018.
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