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Offline Garoux  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2020 15:54:37(UTC)
Garoux

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As I wrote in the title. I encounter a problem about the distance between the CS3 station and my module Marklin 60883.
I will be gratefull to any person who can tell me his his own experience and prevent me to do some fatal mistake (for the CS3 or th 60883)Confused .
First. I would know why the 60883 need to be connect directly to the station CS3? Why he do not take the power from the track?
Thank you for your attention.
Alain

Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2020 16:58:03(UTC)
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Hi Alain

There is another post on the same subject in a Märklin forum.
In short:
- no there is no extension cable to install the 60883 (Link88) further. The reason is digital bus termination adaptation (would distort the digital signal)
- using a 60145 (digital 4 ways hub) you can extend by 60 cm the distance
- if this is not enough, you may insert a 60126 (2 m extension cord) between the CS3 (or CS2) and the hub 60145. Here it is allowed because of electronic termination of a bus
Cheers
Jean
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Offline Garoux  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2020 17:28:17(UTC)
Garoux

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
There is another post on the same subject in a Märklin forum.

can you excuse me.I did not see any exchange about this on this forum. Perhaps my search words were differents. (, CS3+ , M83,etc....) But you kind to give attention to my problem.
As I understood with the seller, this M83 is usefull for the three fires(yellow,red,green) signal before a slow/stop zone (canton. I do not know the word in englsh) I had the purpose to place this 60883 between tthe second and the third canton to avoid not usefull cables. I cannot place the CS3 in th middle of my layout.
May I use the Ethernet connectors 60083 et CS3 to join themselves?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 17 October 2020 19:33:00(UTC)
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No problem Alain. I don't remember in which forum I saw this
Jean
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Offline franciscohg  
#5 Posted : 17 October 2020 19:51:46(UTC)
franciscohg

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Hello
Please clarify 60883 is a Link88 module
M83 is code 60832.
Best regards
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 17 October 2020 20:08:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Garoux Go to Quoted Post
As I understood with the seller, this M83 is usefull for the three fires(yellow,red,green) signal beforea slow/stop zone (canton. I do not know the word in englsh) I had the purpose to place this 60883 between tthe second and the third canton to avoid not usefull cables. I cannot place the CS3 in th middle of my layout.
May I use the Ethernet connectors 60083 et CS3 to join themselves?

Hi Alain
You got me confused
The M83 (60832 in its last version) is for driving solenoids (switches, signals)
The M84 (60842 in its last version) is for driving lamp or led articles such as light signals
The Link88 (60883) is to collect sensor chains to a CS2 or to a CS3.

The "Ethernet-like" connector (RJ45) is found on different articles but do not contain the same signals so don't try to connect an Ethernet connection to a Sensor RJ 45 connection as you may see it on 60881, 60882 or 60883.

As explained before to have your Link88 in the middle of your layout when your CS3 is far away, you need to use a 60145 hub and if need an extension cable between the 60145 and the CS3 nothing else is allowed.
PS I don't know the 60083
Cheers
Jean



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Offline TEEWolf  
#7 Posted : 17 October 2020 20:18:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Garoux Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
There is another post on the same subject in a Märklin forum.

can you excuse me.I did not see any exchange about this on this forum. Perhaps my search words were differents. (, CS3+ , M83,etc....) But you kind to give attention to my problem.
As I understood with the seller, this M83 is usefull for the three fires(yellow,red,green) signal before a slow/stop zone (canton. I do not know the word in englsh) I had the purpose to place this 60883 between tthe second and the third canton to avoid not usefull cables. I cannot place the CS3 in th middle of my layout.
May I use the Ethernet connectors 60083 et CS3 to join themselves?


You must be very carefully by giving the article numbers. There are 3 different feed back decoders from Märklin with very similar article#. 60881 = S88 AC / 60882 = S88 DC / 60883 = L88 (Link s88). These are all feed back decoders, but everyone has to be treated different. E.g. a L88 (60883) needs its own power supply. Look into their manuals! Which decoder do you have now really and you are asking for? Another decoder is a M83 (art# 60832) which is not a feedback decoder. It is just a normal decoder. Similar a M84 (art# 60842).

I only attach one link for you. It shows the complete digital architecture of "Maerklin Digital". Studying this graphics you see all different decoders. And be aware about the difference of a CS 3 and a CS3+.

https://www.maerklin.de/...for-returning/downloads/

Take this link, scroll down to the point "Details" and press the button "Overview system architecture Maerklin Digital". Every device is also named by its article number. Be aware about the different colours of the different bus systems at Märklin. Complex, but very helpful. It's digital!
Offline Garoux  
#8 Posted : 18 October 2020 17:05:54(UTC)
Garoux

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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello
Please clarify 60883 is a Link88 module
M83 is code 60832.


You must be very carefully by giving the article numbers. There are 3 different feed back decoders from Märklin with very similar article#. 60881 = S88 AC / 60882 = S88 DC / 60883 = L88 (Link s88). These are all feed back decoders, but everyone has to be treated different. E.g. a L88 (60883) needs its own power supply. Look into their manuals! Which decoder do you have now really and you are asking for? Another decoder is a M83 (art# 60832) which is not a feedback decoder. It is just a normal decoder. Similar a M84 (art# 60842).

I only attach one link for you. It shows the complete digital architecture of "Maerklin Digital". Studying this graphics you see all different decoders. And be aware about the difference of a CS 3 and a CS3+.

https://www.maerklin.de/...for-returning/downloads/

Take this link, scroll down to the point "Details" and press the button "Overview system architecture Maerklin Digital". Every device is also named by its article number. Be aware about the different colours of the different bus systems at Märklin. Complex, but very helpful. It's digital!

Effectively, It was a mistake from me.
I am worried by the marklin module 60883 and his connection with CS3. To clarify more. I attach a picture of the 60883's box with a draw of my connexion projected. Indeed this 60883 will receive signal of contact fromr MARKLIN 7555. BY THE WAY (other question): HOW DO YOU ATTACH THE 7555 ON THE TRACK TYPE C?
Some one among you would confirm that it is suitable?
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Offline PerR  
#9 Posted : 18 October 2020 18:53:16(UTC)
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there are no problems connecting a Link88 (60883) to a CS3.

You can connect it direct to the CS3 or through a 60145(/or 60125) terminal box.

Please see the manual for 7555 to see how to use it with C tracks.
The electrical connection using 60883 is similar to the 60881 which is shown in the manual:

https://static.maerklin....d3b291882b1583241759.pdf

Best regards
Per
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Offline Garoux  
#10 Posted : 19 October 2020 10:04:32(UTC)
Garoux

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Thank you. I understood.BigGrin
All is ok for me now about this problem.
Best regards.
Alain
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