Too much of the same happening all over the world. Bad people do bad things, get caught and released in a matter of hours where's the punishment?

Nothing will happen to them, I guarantee it.

Oh, I see I started another thread on the same subject. I did check the 'unread' subject heading before I did so.

Perhaps someone can merge mine at https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...-it-cannot-happen-to-you

So sad. I might just have cried if that was my layout...

...I would have cried. I am sure.

I can only imagine how these people must feel. I hope they find a way through it.

No reference to politics, religion just texting. It seems that Singapore has the right justice for vandals.

Please note: Railway related article which agrees with our policies of information.

https://www.dailymail.co...led-caned-Singapore.html

Hi everyone

In view of what is happening in today's world, had the organizers thought of an adequate security service?

If not, are they not to blame?

These are the questions I ask myself

Have a nice afternoon

Thewolf

So sad to see something like this happen, especially to kind people who were doing something good by sharing their MRR love at a school.

I'm glad to see people around the world chipping in and donating money to them, which will at least be a start toward recovery. But the time that was spent to build this is gone and as we all get older that is something that most of us can never replace.

Merged both threads.

Not having insurance might be considered foolhardy, but I don't think you can blame the exhibitors. No one gave permission to the vandals who did this to trash the things they trashed, so they or their parents or both should be brought to account for the damage done.

For the last 10 years I have been participating in LEGO exhibition events in Spain. These are always 2-days events, and usually the stuff has to stay there for 2 nights, as we susually arrive one day ahead of the exhibition, for the set-up.

Our concerns is not centered so much on vandalism (although some participants are worried, the nature of our constructions are that they can be taken apart and put together rather easily...), but more on robbery: Our stuff is highly valued, and extremely easy to sell off rapidly. Also some collectors items can be worth many hundreds´s of € or $.

I´m happy to say that in those 10 years, we havent been hit ONCE with any case of entry during the night. Also I havent heard about that from any of the other similar associations here.

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The fact that these incidents seems to happen only very seldom, should hopefully be enough for people to realize that it is still very much WORTH the effort to participate in exhibitions, and with slightly improved security-meassures, disgraces can probably be avoided altlogether.

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On the topic of too lenient punishment; As long as there are no consecuences from these actions, society cant expect these people to improve. Even young thugs with no homebased discipline, are not total idiots, and would LEARN (at least little by little) that this kind of vandalism isnt worth the price.
Of course they shouldnt have their hands cut off, -or any other barbaric punishment either. Luckily we are far above that level in todays western society.
I think we are talking social work for X hours and courses of sensibilization. In the end, the objective of punishment is not revenge, but rather to try to turn delinquents into productive citizens. At least in the long run.
I agree that punishmemts are usually too lenient. Especially for mid-level hardened criminals, who have already several robberies and dozens of stolen cars behind them. Society is OBVIOULSY making it worth the trouble for them! (I dont know to what extend the vandals in this case are offense-repeaters...)

The club setting up the exhibition should have sorted out insurance for it, as there is a UK umbrella group that has a policy with an insurance company for exhibition insurance to cover accidental damage and third party liability and the like.

But as someone pointed out, there is a fund raising effort going on for them.

Many exhibitions set up the night before. I think a couple of big blokes and a loud dog should have slept over. Wise after the event I know. Encouraged by the world wide funding response though, an international sense of community and expression of solidarity. And as Dan says, Stamford? It doesn't get any nicer than Stamford. If such mindless vandalism can happen there it can happen anywhere.

IanC

Such sadness here.
Don't think these guys will be doing another show again.
After years of patience and work, all gone, and not replaceable.
Hope they will move on.

Stamford is still in Britain and Britain is just "special", sadly.

Just read through the below. Specific quote "“Sadly, the UK compared to the rest of mainland Europe has a lot less respect for shared resources.".

https://www.theguardian....-be-gone-from-uk-streets

It's just the way Britain works. No-one cares.

As an exhibitor myself I do worry when I leave my layout overnight.
Generally there is insurance in place and I have always been questioned on the value when completing application forms.

It’s not the money so much as the time invested that can never be brought back. I’m sure I read on a different site yesterday that someone aged 72 had spent 25 years creating his models, only to be destroyed in minutes and never rebuilt.

I’m afraid that with the U.K. legal system as it is the focus will be on the perpetrator rather than the victim and there’ll be social reports etc before any lenient sentence is ever passed.

I also heard today that Rod Stewart has donated £10k to the help fund.

Mike

Yep. It’s a I’m alright jack! Attitude. Good for Rod Stuart. At least someone with money has a heart 👍

I regret that the UK has more than its fair share of these Morons.

If they come into my home my three Rhodesian Ridgebacks will take care of them until the police arrive and they won't get near anything of value.


I feel so sorry for the exhibitors and although they will get some cash it is the hours of work that can never be returned.

To me it seems like way too many people have kids without thinking about what a huge responsibility it is to do it correctly.

These are not pets or even model trains but the lives of actual humans - and those closest to you on this planet! Yet I know people who have kids and then find that they still want to have fun and hope that the kids just magically turn out alright without a lot of work. Just today I talked to a friend who is raising her grandchild because her daughter is still in drug rehab - with yet another child!

Here I am, a guy getting older by the day and telling people 40 years younger than me to grow up.

An 'apology' you've been forced to write is really no apology at all.

Drunk, drugs, whatever? so what! NO excuse. Cause and effect is all it is.

In a few years one of these scrotes might have something of value, house, car, whatever that someone else will decide looks far too nice and will perform a visual readjustment, only then will they feel the impact of vandalism.

But good on the parents for appearing to take some control back.

My take on it is that they may have managed to catch things early enough that these kids will be turned from this sort of thing.

Having read several articles in different papers and at the BBC there does seem to be significant remorse from these kids, and, with luck, it has taught them the 'evils of drink' and to not get that drunk you can't remember what you did. I suspect if the police can ever track down where they bottle the bottle of booze that person is likely to go for a skate for selling to underage.

ooh errr, the third thread on this. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this on the other merged threads.

Is it not time to end this thread? It can't go anywhere positive!

I would think people already knew that from "The Great Train Robbery" of the Märklin Museum some years ago. I´m still waiting for the hollywood movie version of it...

Hi Alan

I picked up my information from RMWeb and the exhibition threads.