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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 19 May 2019 15:11:19(UTC)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/ne...nd-lincolnshire-48326572

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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#2 Posted : 19 May 2019 15:40:31(UTC)
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Let those bastards pay for the damage for the rest of their pathetic lives!
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Offline michelvr  
#3 Posted : 19 May 2019 15:54:36(UTC)
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Too much of the same happening all over the world. Bad people do bad things, get caught and released in a matter of hours where's the punishment?
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:08:23(UTC)
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Vandals trash a model railway exhibition.

BBC report here.

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Offline morsing  
#5 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:13:56(UTC)
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Nothing will happen to them, I guarantee it.
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Offline rrf  
#6 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:17:03(UTC)
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As a father of five, I hold the vandal's parents partially responsible. It is a parent's duty to teach your children respect for others and that one's actions have consequences.
Rob
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:21:19(UTC)
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Oh, I see I started another thread on the same subject. I did check the 'unread' subject heading before I did so.

Perhaps someone can merge mine at https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...-it-cannot-happen-to-you

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Offline jerdenberg  
#8 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:30:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
To bad our society doesn't cut off one hand of these pathetic bastards. Too much of the same happening all over the world. They do bad things get caught and released in a matter of hours where the punishment?


Are you serious? If so, Brunei must appeal to you.

Sorry for going against forum policy regarding politics and such.

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Offline MaerklinLife  
#9 Posted : 19 May 2019 16:58:13(UTC)
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So sad. I might just have cried if that was my layout...

...I would have cried. I am sure.

I can only imagine how these people must feel. I hope they find a way through it.
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Offline michelvr  
#10 Posted : 19 May 2019 17:11:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jerdenberg Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
To bad our society doesn't cut off one hand of these pathetic bastards. Too much of the same happening all over the world. They do bad things get caught and released in a matter of hours where the punishment?


Are you serious? If so, Brunei must appeal to you.

Sorry for going against forum policy regarding politics and such.

Jeroen


I was serious when I first posted but edited my post to reflect society’s norms of today. I know it was harsh but works in some parts of the world.BigGrin
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Offline michelvr  
#11 Posted : 19 May 2019 17:20:31(UTC)
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No reference to politics, religion just texting. It seems that Singapore has the right justice for vandals.BigGrin

Please note: Railway related article which agrees with our policies of information.

https://www.dailymail.co...led-caned-Singapore.html
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Offline danmarklinman  
#12 Posted : 19 May 2019 18:17:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Vandals trash a model railway exhibition.

BBC report here.



Hi, I use to exhibit my z layout for years. And it was always a worry this would happen. So I only did one day shows if I could help it. Most clubs have someone sleep in the hall? This kind of stupid, nasty mind numbing act, will make people think again about doing 2 day shows, or setting up the night before. It might well make insurance to costly to put shows on!! I’m assuming they did have insurance?
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Offline Thewolf  
#13 Posted : 19 May 2019 19:46:13(UTC)
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Hi everyoneCool

In view of what is happening in today's world, had the organizers thought of an adequate security service?

If not, are they not to blame?

These are the questions I ask myself

Have a nice afternoon

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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 19 May 2019 23:26:39(UTC)
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Help to raised the fund Target £500

Now £33000.OhMyGod

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Offline dickinsonj  
#15 Posted : 20 May 2019 00:52:38(UTC)
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So sad to see something like this happen, especially to kind people who were doing something good by sharing their MRR love at a school.

I'm glad to see people around the world chipping in and donating money to them, which will at least be a start toward recovery. But the time that was spent to build this is gone and as we all get older that is something that most of us can never replace.
Regards,
Jim

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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#16 Posted : 20 May 2019 00:56:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rrf Go to Quoted Post
As a father of five, I hold the vandal's parents partially responsible. It is a parent's duty to teach your children respect for others and that one's actions have consequences.


In parts of Russia and other surrounding countries, parents are held responsible for children to the age of 25.
It ensures disciplines remain until somewhat the right time.
I believe it can entail jail time.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#17 Posted : 20 May 2019 02:05:43(UTC)
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Merged both threads.
Offline sjbartels  
#18 Posted : 20 May 2019 05:46:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rrf Go to Quoted Post
As a father of five, I hold the vandal's parents partially responsible. It is a parent's duty to teach your children respect for others and that one's actions have consequences.


I agree, teenagers at that age out and about at 4am... that has trouble written all over it. You didn't know where they were... parenting fail! You knew they were out with friends at that time of night doing who knows what??? - Parenting fail!

I'm sure nothing will be done to these worthless low lifes, they'll be some stupid excuse like they come from broken homes blah blah, and any kind of compensation sought will find the parents being the beneficiaries of the welfare system and thus not held accountable (Disclaimer - this is not a generalization of all parents who happen to collect some form of welfare - only those who allow their thug children to break and enter and smash private property at 4am in the morning).

My wife - a school counselor here in the US was on the verge of tears when I told her of this. If any of the exhibitors were running any three rail Märklin, I'll happily make a locomotive donation from my own personal collection.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 20 May 2019 06:27:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
If not, are they not to blame?


Not having insurance might be considered foolhardy, but I don't think you can blame the exhibitors. No one gave permission to the vandals who did this to trash the things they trashed, so they or their parents or both should be brought to account for the damage done.

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Offline danmarklinman  
#20 Posted : 20 May 2019 08:54:41(UTC)
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Hi, just so you guys outside of the UK, Stamford is a small historic town which is quite a middle class place. Perhaps these morons are just arses, and really as with a few people in British society don’t care for anything!! Society in the uk does seem to be getting very ugly!! 👎🏼
Having said that, it brings you up to see all the money raised👍👍👍
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Offline hxmiesa  
#21 Posted : 20 May 2019 09:35:53(UTC)
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For the last 10 years I have been participating in LEGO exhibition events in Spain. These are always 2-days events, and usually the stuff has to stay there for 2 nights, as we susually arrive one day ahead of the exhibition, for the set-up.

Our concerns is not centered so much on vandalism (although some participants are worried, the nature of our constructions are that they can be taken apart and put together rather easily...), but more on robbery: Our stuff is highly valued, and extremely easy to sell off rapidly. Also some collectors items can be worth many hundreds´s of € or $.

I´m happy to say that in those 10 years, we havent been hit ONCE with any case of entry during the night. Also I havent heard about that from any of the other similar associations here.

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The fact that these incidents seems to happen only very seldom, should hopefully be enough for people to realize that it is still very much WORTH the effort to participate in exhibitions, and with slightly improved security-meassures, disgraces can probably be avoided altlogether.

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On the topic of too lenient punishment; As long as there are no consecuences from these actions, society cant expect these people to improve. Even young thugs with no homebased discipline, are not total idiots, and would LEARN (at least little by little) that this kind of vandalism isnt worth the price.
Of course they shouldnt have their hands cut off, -or any other barbaric punishment either. Luckily we are far above that level in todays western society.
I think we are talking social work for X hours and courses of sensibilization. In the end, the objective of punishment is not revenge, but rather to try to turn delinquents into productive citizens. At least in the long run.
I agree that punishmemts are usually too lenient. Especially for mid-level hardened criminals, who have already several robberies and dozens of stolen cars behind them. Society is OBVIOULSY making it worth the trouble for them! (I dont know to what extend the vandals in this case are offense-repeaters...)
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#22 Posted : 20 May 2019 12:54:10(UTC)
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Nothing less than full restitution in terms of monetary value for the damage they did plus whatever punitive punishment deemed necessary is the minimum I would expect. No one can replace the hours spent building something, but at least the exhibitors should not have to bear any financial cost.

Giving these delinquents 20 hours of community service would be a complete joke.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#23 Posted : 20 May 2019 13:08:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
If not, are they not to blame?


Not having insurance might be considered foolhardy, but I don't think you can blame the exhibitors. No one gave permission to the vandals who did this to trash the things they trashed, so they or their parents or both should be brought to account for the damage done.



The club setting up the exhibition should have sorted out insurance for it, as there is a UK umbrella group that has a policy with an insurance company for exhibition insurance to cover accidental damage and third party liability and the like.

But as someone pointed out, there is a fund raising effort going on for them.

Offline Thewolf  
#24 Posted : 20 May 2019 14:47:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
If not, are they not to blame?


Not having insurance might be considered foolhardy, but I don't think you can blame the exhibitors. No one gave permission to the vandals who did this to trash the things they trashed, so they or their parents or both should be brought to account for the damage done.




Sorry but I wasn't talking about insurance but about security services ,..... security services that seem to have been forgotten.

I believe that the least responsibility to have is to ensure that such an event, especially one of such great financial and sentimental value, is secure.

Hence my question.

Thewolf
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Offline IanC  
#25 Posted : 20 May 2019 14:58:42(UTC)
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Many exhibitions set up the night before. I think a couple of big blokes and a loud dog should have slept over. Wise after the event I know. Encouraged by the world wide funding response though, an international sense of community and expression of solidarity. And as Dan says, Stamford? It doesn't get any nicer than Stamford. If such mindless vandalism can happen there it can happen anywhere.

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#26 Posted : 20 May 2019 15:07:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
If not, are they not to blame?


Not having insurance might be considered foolhardy, but I don't think you can blame the exhibitors. No one gave permission to the vandals who did this to trash the things they trashed, so they or their parents or both should be brought to account for the damage done.




Sorry but I wasn't talking about insurance but about security services ,..... security services that seem to have been forgotten.

I believe that the least responsibility to have is to ensure that such an event, especially one of such great financial and sentimental value, is secure.

Hence my question.

Thewolf


The setup was in a school assembly hall or gymnasium, and I suspect they were relying on the schools burglar alarm system, which appears to have worked properly as the police apprehended the suspects on the school premises. Having such a burglar alarm system - with attendant callout capabilities - is unusual for schools in the UK, with their very strapped financial resources.

Offline waltklatt  
#27 Posted : 20 May 2019 15:22:47(UTC)
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Such sadness here.
Don't think these guys will be doing another show again.
After years of patience and work, all gone, and not replaceable.
Hope they will move on.
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Offline morsing  
#28 Posted : 20 May 2019 16:53:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post

Giving these delinquents 20 hours of community service would be a complete joke.


Sadly the British justice system is incredibly weak. A standard sentence for criminal damage done by an adult is 200gbp. If done by youths, they will just get a telling off.

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Offline morsing  
#29 Posted : 20 May 2019 16:57:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: IanC Go to Quoted Post
And as Dan says, Stamford? It doesn't get any nicer than Stamford. If such mindless vandalism can happen there it can happen anywhere.



Stamford is still in Britain and Britain is just "special", sadly.

Just read through the below. Specific quote "“Sadly, the UK compared to the rest of mainland Europe has a lot less respect for shared resources.".

https://www.theguardian....-be-gone-from-uk-streets

It's just the way Britain works. No-one cares.
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Offline analogmike  
#30 Posted : 20 May 2019 17:04:35(UTC)
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Condoms could have prevented this!
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Offline hennabm  
#31 Posted : 20 May 2019 17:31:49(UTC)
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As an exhibitor myself I do worry when I leave my layout overnight.
Generally there is insurance in place and I have always been questioned on the value when completing application forms.

It’s not the money so much as the time invested that can never be brought back. I’m sure I read on a different site yesterday that someone aged 72 had spent 25 years creating his models, only to be destroyed in minutes and never rebuilt.

I’m afraid that with the U.K. legal system as it is the focus will be on the perpetrator rather than the victim and there’ll be social reports etc before any lenient sentence is ever passed.

I also heard today that Rod Stewart has donated £10k to the help fund.

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Offline aos  
#32 Posted : 20 May 2019 19:21:28(UTC)
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Just heartbreaking! Even my wife and two daughters who admittedly have no interest in my own model railway layout expressed deep sympathy for those who have suffered the loss. Alan
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Offline danmarklinman  
#33 Posted : 20 May 2019 20:06:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: IanC Go to Quoted Post
And as Dan says, Stamford? It doesn't get any nicer than Stamford. If such mindless vandalism can happen there it can happen anywhere.



Stamford is still in Britain and Britain is just "special", sadly.

Just read through the below. Specific quote "“Sadly, the UK compared to the rest of mainland Europe has a lot less respect for shared resources.".

https://www.theguardian....-be-gone-from-uk-streets

It's just the way Britain works. No-one cares.

Yep. It’s a I’m alright jack! Attitude. Good for Rod Stuart. At least someone with money has a heart 👍
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Offline cookee_nz  
#34 Posted : 21 May 2019 12:31:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: IanC Go to Quoted Post
And as Dan says, Stamford? It doesn't get any nicer than Stamford. If such mindless vandalism can happen there it can happen anywhere.



Stamford is still in Britain and Britain is just "special", sadly.

Just read through the below. Specific quote "“Sadly, the UK compared to the rest of mainland Europe has a lot less respect for shared resources.".

https://www.theguardian....-be-gone-from-uk-streets

It's just the way Britain works. No-one cares.

Yep. It’s a I’m alright jack! Attitude. Good for Rod Stuart. At least someone with money has a heart 👍


https://www.dailymail.co...BeJltC-pt-7_ztnXCo3Wdxt8
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Offline David Dewar  
#35 Posted : 21 May 2019 13:30:38(UTC)
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I regret that the UK has more than its fair share of these Morons.

If they come into my home my three Rhodesian Ridgebacks will take care of them until the police arrive and they won't get near anything of value.


I feel so sorry for the exhibitors and although they will get some cash it is the hours of work that can never be returned.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline dominator  
#36 Posted : 23 May 2019 12:17:57(UTC)
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The morons are the parents.
Two teenagers from out of town had to stay in Kerikeri a few year ago because their parents were too furking lazy to bring them home. They slept in the local grandstand, but because it got cold, they lit a fire, which burned the grandstand down. We have no grand stand now and the "little shits and their parents" got away scot free. FFS. The council have not rebuilt the grand stand. A local "senior" dance group, who hired the top floor on occasions, and had their musical equipment stolen from a lockup on the premises, because the council would not let them in to recover their property.

Go Figure.

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Offline dickinsonj  
#37 Posted : 24 May 2019 01:21:00(UTC)
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To me it seems like way too many people have kids without thinking about what a huge responsibility it is to do it correctly.

These are not pets or even model trains but the lives of actual humans - and those closest to you on this planet! Yet I know people who have kids and then find that they still want to have fun and hope that the kids just magically turn out alright without a lot of work. Just today I talked to a friend who is raising her grandchild because her daughter is still in drug rehab - with yet another child!

Here I am, a guy getting older by the day and telling people 40 years younger than me to grow up. BigGrin
Regards,
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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#38 Posted : 30 May 2019 23:07:53(UTC)
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The latest in this sad tale is the the boys (15 and 16 year olds) are on bail after being charged with breaking and entering, criminal damage etc. .....
They were unable to remember the evening because they were drunk.

They have written letters of apology.

Vandal newspaper report

Kimball
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Offline cookee_nz  
#39 Posted : 31 May 2019 00:21:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
The latest in this sad tale is the the boys (15 and 16 year olds) are on bail after being charged with breaking and entering, criminal damage etc. .....
They were unable to remember the evening because they were drunk.

They have written letters of apology.

Kimball


An 'apology' you've been forced to write is really no apology at all.

Drunk, drugs, whatever? so what! NO excuse. Cause and effect is all it is.

In a few years one of these scrotes might have something of value, house, car, whatever that someone else will decide looks far too nice and will perform a visual readjustment, only then will they feel the impact of vandalism.

But good on the parents for appearing to take some control back.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#40 Posted : 31 May 2019 00:54:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post

In a few years one of these scrotes might have something of value, house, car, whatever that someone else will decide looks far too nice and will perform a visual readjustment, only then will they feel the impact of vandalism.

Yeah - that has been a long time fantasy for me too. These children have never busted their butts to have stuff and then have it senselessly destroyed and they really have no clue about what they did. If they had spent years of work doing something that they loved taken from them, for no reason, they could very well see things differently.

Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
But good on the parents for appearing to take some control back.

A good idea and it can't hurt at this point, but my guess is that horse has already left the barn for these kids.
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I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#41 Posted : 31 May 2019 10:06:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
But good on the parents for appearing to take some control back.

A good idea and it can't hurt at this point, but my guess is that horse has already left the barn for these kids.


My take on it is that they may have managed to catch things early enough that these kids will be turned from this sort of thing.

Having read several articles in different papers and at the BBC there does seem to be significant remorse from these kids, and, with luck, it has taught them the 'evils of drink' and to not get that drunk you can't remember what you did. I suspect if the police can ever track down where they bottle the bottle of booze that person is likely to go for a skate for selling to underage.

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Offline ShannonN  
#42 Posted : 01 June 2019 16:34:38(UTC)
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Vandals destroy years of work as they wreck model railway exhibits worth thousands of pounds prior to enthusiasts' annual show

https://www.standard.co....-thousands-a4145951.html

Latest News: 85k (pounds) has been raised, can't believe they let the little shits out on bail, bet they get 10 hrs community service and a slap on the wrist.. Got to ask where are the parents?

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#43 Posted : 01 June 2019 16:57:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ShannonN Go to Quoted Post
Vandals destroy years of work as they wreck model railway exhibits worth thousands of pounds prior to enthusiasts' annual show

https://www.standard.co....-thousands-a4145951.html

Latest News: 85k (pounds) has been raised, can't believe they let the little shits out on bail, bet they get 10 hrs community service and a slap on the wrist.. Got to ask where are the parents?


ooh errr, the third thread on this. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this on the other merged threads.



Offline Bigdaddynz  
#44 Posted : 02 June 2019 00:43:10(UTC)
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Merged threads.
Offline scraigen  
#45 Posted : 02 June 2019 18:25:28(UTC)
scraigen


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Is it not time to end this thread? It can't go anywhere positive!
Must build something
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Offline hennabm  
#46 Posted : 18 June 2019 08:26:36(UTC)
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The U.K. exhibition programme suffered a further issue during last weekend.
The Grand Central Railway event is a three day event based at the GCR preserved railway premises.

During one evening the premises were broken into and several traders and exhibitors had many thousands of pounds of stock stolen.

As someone suggested, following the events of this topic earlier this year and the wide media coverage, now every low life knows just how valuable model railways can be.

I’m due to exhibit at GCR so will be very careful as well as insured.

A sad reflection in all of what the country has come to.
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
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Offline hxmiesa  
#47 Posted : 18 June 2019 09:11:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
As someone suggested, following the events of this topic earlier this year and the wide media coverage, now every low life knows just how valuable model railways can be.

I would think people already knew that from "The Great Train Robbery" of the Märklin Museum some years ago. I´m still waiting for the hollywood movie version of it...

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#48 Posted : 18 June 2019 10:28:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
The U.K. exhibition programme suffered a further issue during last weekend.
The Grand Central Railway event is a three day event based at the GCR preserved railway premises.

During one evening the premises were broken into and several traders and exhibitors had many thousands of pounds of stock stolen.

As someone suggested, following the events of this topic earlier this year and the wide media coverage, now every low life knows just how valuable model railways can be.

I’m due to exhibit at GCR so will be very careful as well as insured.

A sad reflection in all of what the country has come to.


Someone mentioned this up at Ians, but I haven't seen any news items about it.

Does anyone have a link?

Offline hennabm  
#49 Posted : 18 June 2019 18:39:05(UTC)
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Hi Alan

I picked up my information from RMWeb and the exhibition threads.
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline kiwiAlan  
#50 Posted : 19 August 2019 18:34:23(UTC)
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Well, the lads have been punished by the courts ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/ne...nd-lincolnshire-49397838

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