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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 09 May 2019 20:21:00(UTC)
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I am not sure how to fix it.
m83 stand in the DCC mode because the manual of the 60821 says DCC mode.
What is the next step?
In the picture of the CS3 i did set first output 1 but then?
I want to test by use tortoise motor to switch.

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DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#2 Posted : 09 May 2019 20:42:10(UTC)
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The first thing I see is the "Period" which according to the manual should be between 50 and 200,
and in your picture you have the value 4 ?

I'm also quite sure you should have another number than "0" in "Koblingsgruppe"

I don't have these items myself.

Per.

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Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2019 21:04:01(UTC)
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It´s standard set by of Märklin.
I have not yet changed the value because not sure which is correct.
The first stand dimmer...the second period...the third a group.
In the manual of the 60821 in page 4 it stand:
Switching function turnout red= value 17
Pulse width (regulating speed)= value 1-255
Period (regulating time)= value 50-200
Repeat the green output too with same value.
I suppose it´s to follow in correct step?
From left to the right?
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline TEEWolf  
#4 Posted : 09 May 2019 21:49:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I am not sure how to fix it.
m83 stand in the DCC mode because the manual of the 60821 says DCC mode.
What is the next step?
In the picture of the CS3 i did set first output 1 but then?
I want to test by use tortoise motor to switch.


Do you have the m83 number 60831 or 60832? Has your decoder the mfx function included already?

Here are the manuals for the new 60832 mfx.

basic manual

https://static.maerklin....26786045721516952533.pdf

further instructions for the decoder m83 60832 mfx

https://static.maerklin....21932842781551092725.pdf

and the manual for the motor control 60821

https://static.maerklin....21932842781551092725.pdf

As you see, before starting programming you have to study some manuals. I only have the old m83 60831, so I cannot test the steps you have to do for the effect, you are looking for. But on the other hand, if you follow the manuals step by step, it will function. This is my experience. The problem is to see the various connection or better interlocking and interactions of these 3 manuals. This you have to find more or less by the "trial and error method". Not a problem, if you document every step on a sheet on paper beside your programming work. Then you can follow up which CV is set and this can be crosschecked to the manuals with its various CV ranges as well.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline TEEWolf  
#5 Posted : 09 May 2019 21:56:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It´s standard set by of Märklin.
I have not yet changed the value because not sure which is correct.
The first stand dimmer...the second period...the third a group.
In the manual of the 60821 in page 4 it stand:
Switching function turnout red= value 17
Pulse width (regulating speed)= value 1-255
Period (regulating time)= value 50-200
Repeat the green output too with same value.
I suppose it´s to follow in correct step?
From left to the right?


The 60821 manual says that all programming had to be done in the DCC mode (page 3). So first you have to bring your m83 into the DCC mode. Write it down by drawing the setted 8 dip switches at the m83. Did you read Märklins clue about the m83 manual too?
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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#6 Posted : 09 May 2019 22:04:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It´s standard set by of Märklin.


Yes; but Märklin don't know what you want to do, that's why they write in the manuals what you should do.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I have not yet changed the value because not sure which is correct.


I think a good start would be to use the values Märklin write in the manuals. Cool

First thing is to assign an address to your M83 and to have it working, then you can connect your 60821
and set the corresponding CVs to the correct values for your motor controller.

Your Tortoise can be driven without a 60821, and is probably not the best for a test of the 60821.

Per.

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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 10 May 2019 09:23:44(UTC)
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I post later today after the work and present the result.
Anybody who knows what the symbol Dr. means?
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline clapcott  
#8 Posted : 10 May 2019 09:58:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What is the next step?

I offer the following as one possible solution.

Assumptions
- CS3
- m83.2 = 60832 starting with factory defaults

Objective
- set the m83.2 to 8 port switch mode ( to provide direct control over the individual Green and Red ports of a port pair)
- use CS3 events to achieve "one button" behaviour to turn a port on and off

Overview.
The 60821 provides polorised power (voltage) when
- The Red port is ON AND the Green port is OFF (one direction)
- The Red port is OFF AND the Green port is ON (the other direction)
Should both ports be in the same state there is no drive power in either direction.

Steps
1a) Set the m83.2 to 8 port switched mode
1b) configure the ports as desired with useful names

2) define a random worker Turnout address (does not have to actually exist - I use address 2001)

3) Define 2 x Events
3a) 1 to trigger when the proxy signal goes Red to set the m83 Green port OFF and the Red port ON
3b) 1 to trigger when the proxy signal goes Green to set the m83 Red port OFF and the Green port ON


Screenshots
1a)
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1b) My example of naming for use in phase 3
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3a/b)
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Comments:
While a Tortise motor will tolerate 16V, I would recomment stepping down the effective voltage. by inserting a pair (or 2) LEDs in series. as per the totise manual.
(dont bother micromanaging the Output settings of the m83)
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Offline TEEWolf  
#9 Posted : 10 May 2019 21:05:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Anybody who knows what the symbol Dr. means?


"Dr." is the regular abbriviation in Germany for a PhD degree.

But I am not sure, if you mean this abbriviation for a doctoral degree. So please support us with all details you want to know for this symbol.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Online Purellum  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2019 21:31:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
"Dr." is the regular abbriviation in Germany for a PhD degree.

But I am not sure, if you mean this abbriviation for a doctoral degree. So please support us with all details you want to know for this symbol.


Goofy is not giving us much to work with, I admit that; but if you at least looked at the pictures he shows us,
you probably wouldn't come up with such funny answers. LOL Flapper LOL

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
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Per.

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Offline clapcott  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2019 23:39:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
"Dr." is the regular abbriviation in Germany for a PhD degree.

But I am not sure, if you mean this abbriviation for a doctoral degree. So please support us with all details you want to know for this symbol.


Goofy is not giving us much to work with, I admit that; but if you at least looked at the pictures he shows us,
you probably wouldn't come up with such funny answers. LOL Flapper LOL

Come on guys, it may be a cultural thing but I find these comments insulting to anyone reading who may be after some proper insight.

There is plenty of information for those who understand the context of this thread.
If you are not one of those then please just shut up.
Peter
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Offline clapcott  
#12 Posted : 10 May 2019 23:42:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Anybody who knows what the symbol Dr. means?


The Dr. is an abbreviation for Daueraktivierung
The checkbox is used to configure the port to "pulse only" - as long as the finger is pressed on the button (unchecked) or "permanent/continuous" (checked)

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Offline TEEWolf  
#13 Posted : 11 May 2019 00:47:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Anybody who knows what the symbol Dr. means?


The Dr. is an abbreviation for Daueraktivierung
The checkbox is used to configure the port to "pulse only" - as long as the finger is pressed on the button (unchecked) or "permanent/continuous" (checked)

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Thank you very much Peter. This abbreviation in German is absolutely incorrect, not to say stupid. It equals very similar to the translation of "Zentralstation" in English as "Central Station" for a controlling system.

Best Regards

Wolfgang
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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#14 Posted : 11 May 2019 07:20:45(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
"Dr." is the regular abbriviation in Germany for a PhD degree.

But I am not sure, if you mean this abbriviation for a doctoral degree. So please support us with all details you want to know for this symbol.


Goofy is not giving us much to work with, I admit that; but if you at least looked at the pictures he shows us,
you probably wouldn't come up with such funny answers. LOL Flapper LOL

Come on guys, it may be a cultural thing but I find these comments insulting to anyone reading who may be after some proper insight.

There is plenty of information for those who understand the context of this thread.
If you are not one of those then please just shut up.


I don't know if it is cultural or genetic; but when I see an idiotic comment, I tend to continue on the same track. LOL

If you look closely, I actually tried to help, while still having fun.

Per.

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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 11 May 2019 08:10:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post


Goofy is not giving us much to work with, I admit that; but if you at least looked at the pictures he shows us,
you probably wouldn't come up with such funny answers. LOL Flapper LOL

Come on guys, it may be a cultural thing but I find these comments insulting to anyone reading who may be after some proper insight.

There is plenty of information for those who understand the context of this thread.
If you are not one of those then please just shut up.


I don't know if it is cultural or genetic; but when I see an idiotic comment, I tend to continue on the same track. LOL

If you look closely, I actually tried to help, while still having fun.

Per.



What idiotic comment?
People here try to help and give nicer answer.
And you have no good cooperation with sensible comment?
I really estimates clapcott response. ThumpUp

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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Online Purellum  
#16 Posted : 11 May 2019 12:29:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What idiotic comment?


This time I didn't mean any of your comments. BigGrin

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I really estimates clapcott response.


Very good estimation. LOL

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#17 Posted : 11 May 2019 14:54:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
"Dr." is the regular abbriviation in Germany for a PhD degree.

But I am not sure, if you mean this abbriviation for a doctoral degree. So please support us with all details you want to know for this symbol.


Goofy is not giving us much to work with, I admit that; but if you at least looked at the pictures he shows us,
you probably wouldn't come up with such funny answers. LOL Flapper LOL

Come on guys, it may be a cultural thing but I find these comments insulting to anyone reading who may be after some proper insight.

There is plenty of information for those who understand the context of this thread.
If you are not one of those then please just shut up.


I don't know if it is cultural or genetic; but when I see an idiotic comment, I tend to continue on the same track. LOL

If you look closely, I actually tried to help, while still having fun.

Per.

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Perhaps Goofy could show his appreciation by 'liking' Clapcotts post, which he hasn't at he time of posting this.

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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 12 May 2019 08:42:32(UTC)
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Sigh...
Here we go again with the fight! Cursing
Don´t you even respect forum rules by not harassing?
I did start a topic to get some help and what do i see with the stupid comments by doing harassing against me?
What the hell is wrong with you??? Cursing
DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline kiwiAlan  
#19 Posted : 12 May 2019 13:41:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Sigh...
Here we go again with the fight! Cursing
Don´t you even respect forum rules by not harassing?
I did start a topic to get some help and what do i see with the stupid comments by doing harassing against me?
What the hell is wrong with you??? Cursing


If you are referring to my post, that was not meant as harassment, just a suggestion to acknowledge that you found the information given useful.

If you felt mine was harassment, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be.

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#20 Posted : 12 May 2019 14:32:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
If you are referring to my post


I think he's referring to my posts, being totally blind to the fact that I tried to help him,
and probably not understanding what I later wrote and to whom. Blink

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Offline Goofy  
#21 Posted : 13 May 2019 09:25:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
If you are referring to my post


I think he's referring to my posts, being totally blind to the fact that I tried to help him,
and probably not understanding what I later wrote and to whom. Blink

Per.

Cool



What tried to help???
You are just joking all the times and fool around here.
Will you stop fool around here??? Cursing

DCC means Digital Command Control.

Offline Goofy  
#22 Posted : 13 May 2019 09:27:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Sigh...
Here we go again with the fight! Cursing
Don´t you even respect forum rules by not harassing?
I did start a topic to get some help and what do i see with the stupid comments by doing harassing against me?
What the hell is wrong with you??? Cursing


If you are referring to my post, that was not meant as harassment, just a suggestion to acknowledge that you found the information given useful.

If you felt mine was harassment, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be.



I was mean about Purellum.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#23 Posted : 13 May 2019 09:48:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What tried to help???


Did you read my first two posts in this topic, and did you understand what I wrote? Cool

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Offline Goofy  
#24 Posted : 13 May 2019 19:33:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
What tried to help???


Did you read my first two posts in this topic, and did you understand what I wrote? Cool

Per.

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Yes but you was wrong.
Nothing did helped.
But you don´t have to fool around later when i did created a post by asking some help.
There is no rights by harassing here anyway.
Stick to the topic please.

DCC means Digital Command Control.

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#25 Posted : 13 May 2019 19:42:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Yes but you was wrong.


Can you explain how I was wrong? Cool

I pointed out that you were using the wrong CVs and that you should use the CVs written in the manual.

I also told you that the Tortoise was not good for testing.

Is telling you that you are wrong and telling you what to do harassing you???

Per.

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