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Goofy		#1 Posted : 30 October 2018 22:24:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Does "my world of operation" works with the CS3? I did bought an mfx+ locomotive and tried to open simulator but the screen of the CS3 start flashes and screen become black. Default with the locomotive or CS3? Edited by user 03 November 2018 10:07:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kiwiAlan		#2 Posted : 30 October 2018 22:49:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Does "my world of operation" works with the CS3? I did bought an mfx+ locomotive and tried to open simulator but the screen of the CS3 start flashes and screen become black. Default with the locomotive or CS3? What power supply are you using? This sounds like the cs3 is rebooting.
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Goofy		#3 Posted : 31 October 2018 05:43:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		I use 60061 at 60 VA.
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Goofy		#4 Posted : 31 October 2018 06:25:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Should i check at the system settings? Reboot is not setting in the system.
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Goofy		#5 Posted : 31 October 2018 12:16:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Nobody who knows the problem?
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kiwiAlan		#6 Posted : 31 October 2018 18:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Should i check at the system settings? Reboot is not setting in the system. I would certainly check that you have the correct transformer configured. If you have the 100VA transformer configured then attempt to use draw more than 60VA from the transformer it would certainly produce the symptoms you describe.
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 31 October 2018 19:19:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Goofy Should i check at the system settings? Reboot is not setting in the system. I would certainly check that you have the correct transformer configured. If you have the 100VA transformer configured then attempt to use draw more than 60VA from the transformer it would certainly produce the symptoms you describe. I did set 60 VA configured in the CS3. That did i do when i did start CS3 for the first time.
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 31 October 2018 22:43:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Goofy Should i check at the system settings? Reboot is not setting in the system. I would certainly check that you have the correct transformer configured. If you have the 100VA transformer configured then attempt to use draw more than 60VA from the transformer it would certainly produce the symptoms you describe. I did set 60 VA configured in the CS3. That did i do when i did start CS3 for the first time. OK, that at least eliminates that as a possible problem.
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Crazy Harry		#9 Posted : 01 November 2018 01:03:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 477 Location: Oakville, Ontario		Does your locomotive work with the CS3 when not in "World of Operation" mode? I have one mfx+ locomotive and "World of Operation" works fine on my CS3.
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Goofy		#10 Posted : 01 November 2018 06:53:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry Does your locomotive work with the CS3 when not in "World of Operation" mode? Yes
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Crazy Harry		#11 Posted : 02 November 2018 02:07:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 477 Location: Oakville, Ontario		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry Does your locomotive work with the CS3 when not in "World of Operation" mode? Yes Interesting. Unfortunately, I do not have any ideas what could be causing your problem. Which locomotive did you buy? Harold.
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TEEWolf		#12 Posted : 02 November 2018 02:58:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Goofy Nobody who knows the problem? Goofy, I did not recognize your problem at my CS 3+ yet. I use a 100 VA power supply (#60101) at my CS 3. But I have another obscure phenomenon. My CS 3 does not shut down on the first time. I have to repeat the shut down procedure up to 3 times till the CS 3 shuts off. I do this via the menue button in "Systems". I already sent a mail about this to Märklin, but have no answer yet. Best regards TEEWolf
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DaleSchultz		#13 Posted : 02 November 2018 03:12:27(UTC) Retweet
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clapcott		#14 Posted : 02 November 2018 05:36:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,435 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		No, I do not believe this is a (house) power problem, it is something that happens when the CS3 gets itself in a knot. However my observations are (were) that it only happened very early on with a new CS3, before many locos were configured Maybe even if the only loco was an mFX+ one. The blank screen symptom is not a power off, more a reboot. I haven't seen the issue since last year - I will see if I can dig out my notes on it. From memory the screen blinked/blanked out 5 times when doing a particular edit function After that the CS3 was unresponsive until a power off/on restart. I did try to get a response from Marklin Service at the time but there was nothing of substance there. I suspected it might have been addressed with one of the code updates - but that seems not to be the case.
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Goofy		#15 Posted : 02 November 2018 09:25:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Goofy Nobody who knows the problem? Goofy, I did not recognize your problem at my CS 3+ yet. I use a 100 VA power supply (#60101) at my CS 3. But I have another obscure phenomenon. My CS 3 does not shut down on the first time. I have to repeat the shut down procedure up to 3 times till the CS 3 shuts off. I do this via the menue button in "Systems". I already sent a mail about this to Märklin, but have no answer yet. Best regards TEEWolf Strange...this happens to me too sometimes but just only two times to shut down. Sometimes it happens and not... This mean my CS3 does not working it should do. No wonder why i did had problem with the m83 and Rocos semaphore.
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Goofy		#16 Posted : 02 November 2018 09:28:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: clapcott The blank screen symptom is not a power off, more a reboot. I haven't seen the issue since last year - I will see if I can dig out my notes on it. From memory the screen blinked/blanked out 5 times when doing a particular edit function After that the CS3 was unresponsive until a power off/on restart. Yes this is how it happens.
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Goofy		#17 Posted : 02 November 2018 12:21:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Should i leave the CS3 back to the dealer to repair it? Or stand by? Is it bug in the system? Any tip what to do?
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TEEWolf		#18 Posted : 02 November 2018 22:35:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz wondering if there is something weird about the electricity in your house. Nothing seems to work there. Nothing is wrong with the electricity in my house. Works fine. But it looks like that with the software in the CS 3 is something going wrong. As a former employee of IBM, I guess you are excellent informed about software. Do you think a software without bugs is existing? Märklin themselves announced the CS 3 SW Vers. 1.3.3 only as a beta version. They request their user telling Märklin about their founded bugs. What are you saying as a software specialist? Is it a software bug or not?
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TEEWolf		#19 Posted : 03 November 2018 03:14:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Goofy Should i leave the CS3 back to the dealer to repair it? Or stand by? Is it bug in the system? Any tip what to do? I just tested my CS 3+ with the "world of operations" and it was perfectly functioning. I even could easily install my only Liliput loco with a lokdecoder from ESU 3.0V on DCC. But the read function for the decoder is not working. Fortunately I found the digital address very quick. And now the total surprise: after a long time the CS 3 shut down immediately after the first try. I make a bet there is a software connection between this "world of operations" (which I did not use for a longer time) and the shut down function. My recommendation: if nothing more does bother you with the CS 3 and it is acceptable for you, keep the CS 3. Play with it, but write an e-mail to Märklin service telling them about this software bug in the version 1.3.3. Request for help as you can solve your problem. I did this once, while my CS 3 was not updating my MS 2. I received a very quick and short answer. Märklin wrote, please wait for the next software update in 4 weeks, than it will work. And so it happened. Best regards TEEWolf
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Goofy		#20 Posted : 03 November 2018 09:23:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Okey i wait to leave my CS3 back to the dealer. Seems there is defaults in the software.
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Goofy		#21 Posted : 03 November 2018 10:09:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Good news! I did solved the problem. It was foolish to solve the problem. Thanks for the support!
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Herrfleck		#22 Posted : 03 November 2018 11:25:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 258		Originally Posted by: Goofy Good news! I did solved the problem. It was foolish to solve the problem. Thanks for the support! Hello Anders! Good to hear that you solved the problem! I have following this tread and others about CS 3 because I thinking about buying one myself? Would you please tell us what was the problem? Thanks in advance! Regards Bertil.
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David Dewar		#23 Posted : 03 November 2018 11:42:52(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#24 Posted : 03 November 2018 14:17:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Herrfleck Originally Posted by: Goofy Good news! I did solved the problem. It was foolish to solve the problem. Thanks for the support! Hello Anders! Good to hear that you solved the problem! I have following this tread and others about CS 3 because I thinking about buying one myself? Would you please tell us what was the problem? Thanks in advance! Regards Bertil. Hello Bertil! The problem see you here in the picture. This information did not stand in the locomotive manual which Märklin should present so customer knows it.
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MaerklinLife		#25 Posted : 04 November 2018 06:16:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/02/2016(UTC) Posts: 490		So basically, it works when you read the manual? Who would have thought.
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H0		#26 Posted : 04 November 2018 08:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy This information did not stand in the locomotive manual which Märklin should present so customer knows it. It is a good approach to place locomotive-specific information in the loco manual and controller-specific information in the controller manual. mfx+ came before the CS3, so it is chronologically impossible to have CS3 usage tips in all mfx+ manuals. Märklin's user information is often distributed over several "manuals". You have at least four pamphlets when you try to add a decoder, a motor, and a lantern to a turnout. Having "How to" instructions would often be helpful. Sometimes you get those in Märklin Magazin or Märklin books. Buy the books or read the fancy manuals. Märklin presented the required information - and as far as I can tell they presented it at a reasonable location.
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Goofy		#27 Posted : 04 November 2018 08:50:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		This information MUST stand in the locomotive(s) manual when it´s about mfx+ decoder which support "world of operation". It support more easier to understand what to do with the CS3.
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H0		#28 Posted : 04 November 2018 09:09:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy This information MUST stand in the locomotive(s) manual when it´s about mfx+ decoder which support "world of operation". You cannot expect this information in a loco manual that was printed before the first CS3 was sold. Resizing windows on a controller is controller-specific and not locomotive-specific. This behaviour may change completely with a software upgrade for the CS3, rendering the redundant information in the loco manuals obsolete. In your opinion the information MUST be in the loco manual, in my opinion it CANNOT be there. Let's agree to disagree. Over and out.
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xxup		#29 Posted : 04 November 2018 09:55:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,473 Location: Australia		That Marklin CS3 book is very good.. When our local dealer got the first CS3, we were able to get up to speed with it by working through the book.. Personally, I feel that book should be included with every CS3 as the manual that comes with the CS3 is not as useful..
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Goofy		#30 Posted : 04 November 2018 09:58:44(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#31 Posted : 04 November 2018 10:03:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy This information MUST stand in the locomotive(s) manual when it´s about mfx+ decoder which support "world of operation". You cannot expect this information in a loco manual that was printed before the first CS3 was sold. Resizing windows on a controller is controller-specific and not locomotive-specific. This behaviour may change completely with a software upgrade for the CS3, rendering the redundant information in the loco manuals obsolete. In your opinion the information MUST be in the loco manual, in my opinion it CANNOT be there. Let's agree to disagree. Over and out. I did bought 37872 and in this manual it stand with CS3 how to use functions. It MUST be same way how to use "world of operation" stand in the manual of locomotive which do have symbol + how to open the displayed in the CS3. It verified easier way for the customer.
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Goofy		#32 Posted : 04 November 2018 10:12:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: xxup That Marklin CS3 book is very good.. When our local dealer got the first CS3, we were able to get up to speed with it by working through the book.. Personally, I feel that book should be included with every CS3 as the manual that comes with the CS3 is not as useful.. Correct! Märklin should after all those years and even with the new CS3 tell how to open the displayed on the CS3 by use digital locomotive which support "world of operation". When you buy an new CS3 there is no manual of it and Märklin says you must download the manual in the Märklins homepage. I accept it but when we are talking about digital locomotive with mfx+ decoder it must stand in the LOCOMOTIVES MANUAL how to open the displayed in the screen of CS3.
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kiwiAlan		#33 Posted : 04 November 2018 12:23:18(UTC) Retweet
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TEEWolf		#34 Posted : 04 November 2018 15:59:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: Goofy This information MUST stand in the locomotive(s) manual when it´s about mfx+ decoder which support "world of operation". It support more easier to understand what to do with the CS3. Goofy, and here you find instructions manuals for mfx+ "world of operations" on Märklins homepage, even in English. https://www.maerklin.de/...pare-parts/instructions/
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Purellum		#35 Posted : 04 November 2018 19:49:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy when we are talking about digital locomotive with mfx decoder it must stand in the LOCOMOTIVES MANUAL how to open the displayed in the screen of CS3. So, if you buy new tires for your car, you expect the tire manufacturer to give you a manual telling you how to drive your car ??? Per.
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Purellum		#36 Posted : 04 November 2018 20:41:10(UTC) Retweet
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David Dewar		#37 Posted : 04 November 2018 23:49:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		Manuals that come with locos are not great but most on here probably don't need them. I suppose a loco manual can have an insert if it works differently with a CS3. However not really practical and as long as the CS3 has all the information that should be sufficient. I can see if a loco manual says one thing and the CS3 something else that that can cause confusion. It does not take much to confuse me but it is part of the hobby figuring out hoe model rail operates.
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Goofy		#38 Posted : 05 November 2018 09:21:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum So, if you buy new tires for your car, you expect the tire manufacturer to give you a manual telling you how to drive your car ??? Per. What has the car and the tires to do with the CS3?? Get to the stick about topic!
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Purellum		#39 Posted : 05 November 2018 15:30:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy What has the car and the tires to do with the CS3?? I just tried to make you understand how impossible your expectations were. Originally Posted by: Goofy Get to the stick about topic! I am, you just don't understand it. Per.
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Goofy		#40 Posted : 05 November 2018 19:14:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Originally Posted by: Goofy This information MUST stand in the locomotive(s) manual when it´s about mfx+ decoder which support "world of operation". It support more easier to understand what to do with the CS3. Goofy, and here you find instructions manuals for mfx+ "world of operations" on Märklins homepage, even in English. https://www.maerklin.de/...pare-parts/instructions/ If you see my post 24 i did post this information does missing in the locomotives manual.
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Goofy		#41 Posted : 05 November 2018 19:18:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy What has the car and the tires to do with the CS3?? I just tried to make you understand how impossible your expectations were. Originally Posted by: Goofy Get to the stick about topic! Per. As i do write again...what has the car and the tires to do with the CS3 and the problem about train simulation?
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Purellum		#42 Posted : 05 November 2018 19:38:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy What has the car and the tires to do with the CS3?? I just tried to make you understand how impossible your expectations were. Originally Posted by: Goofy Get to the stick about topic! Per. As i do write again...what has the car and the tires to do with the CS3 and the problem about train simulation? You are miss-quoting me. You left the "I am, you just don't understand it." part out of your quote. That's not nice, and that part is actually the answer to your question. Per
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Goofy		#43 Posted : 06 November 2018 19:37:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum You are miss-quoting me. You left the "I am, you just don't understand it." part out of your quote. That's not nice, and that part is actually the answer to your question. Per No you did start an off-topic so you don´t understand. So get to the stick about the topic. And i did solved the problem about CS3 and the world of operation.
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Purellum		#44 Posted : 06 November 2018 22:25:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy No you did start an off-topic so you don´t understand. Is that your reason for miss-quoting me ??? Maybe you should "get to the stick" Per.
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Goofy		#45 Posted : 07 November 2018 09:27:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy No you did start an off-topic so you don´t understand. Is that your reason for miss-quoting me ??? Maybe you should "get to the stick" Per. You are so childish that you don´t even support anything in ths topic. As i did verfifeid that i did solved the problem and told what was the problem. So why do you start provoce for?
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David Dewar		#46 Posted : 07 November 2018 10:40:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,343 Location: Scotland		Goofy. Per was just adding a bit of humour to the topic. Good to see you have solved the problem. Model rail can be fun and is not always serious.
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Purellum		#47 Posted : 07 November 2018 11:02:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Goofy You are so childish that you don´t even support anything in ths topic. As i did verfifeid that i did solved the problem and told what was the problem. So why do you start provoce for? I'm not trying to provoke you; I think the problem is that you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. Sorry about that, no further from me on this subject. Per.
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Goofy		#48 Posted : 09 November 2018 09:27:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy You are so childish that you don´t even support anything in ths topic. As i did verfifeid that i did solved the problem and told what was the problem. So why do you start provoce for? I'm not trying to provoke you; I think the problem is that what I'm trying to tell you. Sorry about that, no further from me on this subject. Per. There is no reason to start provoce when i did already told did solved the problem. In fact do i see real problem was porr information by of Märklin when you buy an Märklin mfx+ locomotive which there MUST stand information how to start "world of operation" with the CS3. My CS3 do work nice now. Hopefully no more problem...
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H0		#49 Posted : 09 November 2018 09:36:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy In fact do i see real problem was porr information by of Märklin when you buy an Märklin mfx+ locomotive which there MUST stand information how to start "world of operation" with the CS3. Don't tell us what Märklin MUST do, instead let Märklin know. I think this Groundhog Day thread can now be closed.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Goofy		#50 Posted : 11 November 2018 10:02:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy In fact do i see real problem was porr information by of Märklin when you buy an Märklin mfx+ locomotive which there MUST stand information how to start "world of operation" with the CS3. Don't tell us what Märklin MUST do, instead let Märklin know. I think this Groundhog Day thread can now be closed. Märklin do know the missing part in the locomotive manual. A picture with few words says a lot!
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