Hello!
You need the L88 60883. Just connect the old S88 cable to that. You can't use the old S88 without the L88. Just change the voltage switch to lower voltage. The makes them more sensitive to disturbances though.

Oh. I can't tell anything of Viessman. I just assumed you meant Märklins 60880.

Nope,
You cannot ,as per current Marklin architecture, connect legacy S88s (6088,60881) to the S88 (RJ45) port.

Hello Peter
Can you tell me from which document you have found this very important detail information.



I can tell that I haven't try this but I have such cables that I could have. What happenif I connect my old S88 device to CS3Plus RJ45 port

Regards

Jukka

Ok i should have been more precise with ".. the S88 (RJ45) port - of the CS3+.."

The point is, that there is no specific document.

In the first instance Marklin do not provide an adapter cable.
The 60884 is for the other way round - new S88s (RJ45) work with old S88s (6pin flat) controller )

I acknowledge the existence of the wiring/pin information in the 60881/2 manual, however as per your other post there is the issue of voltage for the actual device support. (The CS3+ provides 12V, but unlike the L88 there is no switch for 5V)

There are certainly some non-Marklin legacy S88 devices that state 12V support - I have yet to find any comment from Marklin on this for the 6088 or 60880 - and yes I had asked their service department.

Thanks for replies but I am still confused. I will not connect my CS2 to the CS3 plus.

Just wanted to know :

Connect old S88 using existing cable to the Link (presume this can be done)

then
Connect from link to CS3 plus (does this need another cable or is it supplied with link)

I will get the new switch mode. I presume tracks are connected as before. Looking at the book there appears to be a cable going from the link somewhere.

Sorry guys but I just cant quite get this. As for voltage ??

Hello.
Look at attached picture, it is made by one of members not me:

Regards

Jukka

Thanks but the pic does not show an old S88. What I need is somebody who has an old type S88 and has to connected to a CS3 plus. Having looked at this there are conflicting views. At my age I need a diagram of 88 to link to CS3 plus and what goes where with the switchmode.
I am probably better just buying the stuff in order to see what is what.
Anyway thanks for all the various answers guys.

Why don't you ask marklin directly?

Hello Thewolf,

indeed, very understandable your question.

Clapcott wrote by himself already: he should have been more precise. That is it. He is not up to date and wrote about the old electronic stuff, but using the actual terms instead of the article numbers. So we are both right.

I wrote about the actual situation today, which is described in the new Maerklin book art# 03082 (German) and hopefully art# 03092 (English) too, [unfortunately nobody has not yet approved, if the pages of the English edition equals with the ones from the German edition. e.g. I did this several times already in this community for the manual of the CS (60216 & 60226)] to which David referred in his question. Unfortunately he also did not use the art#, but how should he know them, when he was confused by the book? It is a good book, but sometimes not easy to read and understanding. Maerklin implies sometimes that you are very well informed about the articles and background. But how should a newcomer know that?

The original question referred about this new book and not about the old, superseded situation of a 6088 or 60880. Unfortunately the name has not changed for the new stuff, but the article numbers did. So you have to be precise and use the art#, what I did.

I wrote about the new “60883 Link S 88”, the “60881 Decoder S88 AC” & “60882 Decoder S 88 DC” (page 177 art# 03082). The new decoders S88 are directly connected to the CS 3+ by the RJ 45 jack socket. You save the Link S88, because it is already built in for a CS 3+ (60216) but not for a CS 3 (60226)! For a 60226 you need the 60883 Link S88!
But you also need this 60883 Link S88 in the case using the old decoders 6088 & 60880. (see CS 3 manual page 4 and page 7 for description).
I wrote in my post #5 at the end: “If you have already an old S 88 (art# 6088 or 60880) than you need a L88 for a further use of the old modules. (Read this in the CS 3 book on page 93 and at page 177 for the art# 60883).” This was Clapcott repeating before reading.

And that is the point: this all stands on page 177 Maerklin book #03082 (German) first 3 articles from top. And heavens, can somebody approve here, please, if the page numbers of the German books equals with the one art# 03092 in English? Thanks.

regards

TEEWolf

Blimey I am more confused that I was when started but that just me.

I will maybe just forget the old S88 and buy a new one and ask my dealer what I need to connect it to the CS3 plus.

TEEwolf...thank you ...but ...Uh .... if you allow me I'll read again what you wrote a little later ... it's a bit too technical

No not necessary - have a look into the 60883 manual (link in my post before) please. On page 4 (German but other languages available too) you see the connection devices for 6088/60880/60881/60882 and all other connections and much more if you scroll down.

For the 60881/60882 you got there 2 lines for connections!

If you buy a 60883 you can attach and use all your old devices as well.

This link is to an official document from Maerklin about frequently asked questions for setting up a feedback system

https://www.maerklin.de/...bau_Rueckmeldesystem.pdf

There this document is only in German available, here a link to a good translator machine:

https://www.deepl.com/translator

better than google.

Thank you and also for the translater.

The page numbering for the Maerklin book 03082 in German and 03092 in English seems to be the same. The first three articles at the top of page 177 are the 60883 (Link S88 or L88), 60881 (S88 AC Decoder) and 60882 (S88 DC Decoder).

Please refer to page 12 of the same books - the top picture of the CS3 and CS3+ has a small insert showing the RJ45 jack on the bottom of the CS3+ only and states "The CS3 plus also has a connection on the underside for the current S88 decoder (item numbers 60881/60882)." The point is that they are very specific in mentioning the current S88 decoders.

But to add to the confusion, see page 183 of the same books - under Items that have not been offered for a long time it lists the 6088, 60880 S88 Decoder (Feedback module) and states "Can continue to be used without limitation." No mention of any special conditions or cabling?

Now the 60883 (L88) manual is very clear and states that if you are using the 6088/60880 S88's or a mixture of the old and new S88's the voltage selector should be set to 5V. Therefore, I would conclude, if you want to continue to use the legacy S88 modules they would still have to go through an L88 with the correct voltage setting. The L88 would have to be connected to the appropriate plug on the rear of the CS3 or CS+.

Harold.

David, I understand very well how you feel.

I would certainly ask the questions here, but...as I trust my dealer's advice, I would ask him the question.

An example: a few months ago I wanted to buy an additional S88 marklin. He answered me:"No Serge no Serge no marklin... too expensive... you'll need an L88 or something like that to make it work... take a 5217 from Viesmann..."

That's what I did.

Have a nice day

Thewolf

Hello.




From Where did you find that?

Regards

Jukka

Thank You TEEWolf .

Yesterday I opened old S88 module and looked it's circuit diagram (found from internet) and as you said it can be used with 12 volts also.
My my concern is due to the fact that I once burned the old-style CS2 by accident and it cost me quite much.
Everyone have to careful using expensive devices.
Well I always try to read all published documents especially those which I find here from Forums pages. I have to translate all German texts and Google don't always do good English text.

Anyway YOU people help very much THANK YOU ALL FOR your help.

I do all testings knowing risks sometimes I would like to tell all about testings results, but it is not possible knowing that I might be wrong.

Regards

Jukka

Meanwhile I recommend to try it by this translation software:

https://www.deepl.com/translator

In my opinion it is much better than Google or as we call Google in sarcastic German "Gockel" (English: rooster)

Hi Fabrice

I used to have CS2 and similar configuration as you have. And first I had also similar problems.
Of course program versions were different than now.

Look carefully you connections and HOW YOU HAVE CONFIGURED all devices in your CS2, I had there mistakes.
Then. . . In an earlier version of the software, it was important in which order the devices get power on. First power to L88 and then CS2, and wait some time for CS2 to recognize all the devices.

I don't have CS2 any more but I am sure You get all done after all . CS2 is good but in some cases quite slow.

It is good idea always when you are testing to test first L88 first 16 contacts, if they work ok then other should work if configuration is ok and you really use right addresses.

I used ground direct from CS2 main track plug sometimes I had problems when I took ground from the track far away from CS2.

I am sure you will succeed

Regards

Jukka

Hello folks,

Well, I don't have trouble any more.
All is running fine.

Don't know what I did wrong last time ? maybe too much hurry ? The main difference is I've cut power off each time I plugged/unplugged devices... Maybe an issue at initialization time ?

Combination with L88+RM88N(LDT)+S88AC on bus 1 runs fine, with 12V voltage.
Previous feedback sensors wired directly on the CS2 (with traditional 5V S88 feedback bus ) still runs fine also.

All together is OK. I hope to decrease the number of interference using 12V...
Now the layout will be updated... (quite some work to do)

Cheers
Fabrice

Bottom of the CS3+ showing the S88 connector - RJ45 only.



Connector on the Viessmann 5217 (Marklin 6088 and 60880 S88 have the same connector)



You can see they don't match. The L88 is the only new generation device that has the connector for legacy S88 (although from the following pictures, the L88 has a 5 pin connector.......)

Edited by user 25 January 2019 03:20:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks Harold. Now that you mention it, I can see the 6 pins in the above picture.