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mb300e4m		#1 Posted : 17 March 2017 17:52:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		I have a 3702 BR 53 loco, good condition in original box. It is equipped with a 6090 decoder with a 701.13 chip. It is equipped with two smoke units. Apart from lights and smoke, there are no other functions available using my MS2. Can anyone suggest a retrofit decoder that would add at least chuff and whistle, and maybe acceleration/deceleration and top speed control. I have been an analogue guy since 1947 and digital is still somewhat of a mystery to me. I took my first steps into the world of Digital just last November. I am not afraid of working with electronics, I do it often. I have added a picture of the current decoder. I do not know if it is original or was added by the first owner or the dealer. Thanks in advance for any suggestions and help. Edited by user 17 March 2017 21:55:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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RayF		#2 Posted : 17 March 2017 18:40:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Peter, I have that loco. The existing decoder does have adjustable acceleration and braking delay and maximum speed. That is what the two potentiometers on the decoder are for. It runs well on digital as it is, but if you really want to upgrade the decoder it should not be too hard. For sound you would have to find space for the speaker, and it might be tricky to get a decoder sound project that matches the chuff rate to the two sets of cylinders. Good luck!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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H0		#3 Posted : 17 March 2017 18:46:54(UTC) Retweet
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franciscohg		#4 Posted : 17 March 2017 18:50:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hi, there is a sound project for BR53 for ESU loksounds, you can ask to the retailer to charge it in any V4 loksound you want to use Regards
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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franciscohg		#5 Posted : 17 March 2017 18:54:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Originally Posted by: H0 (obsolete) Did our post cross over the cyberspace Tom? LOL
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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RayF		#6 Posted : 17 March 2017 18:59:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hi, there is a sound project for BR53 for ESU loksounds, you can ask to the retailer to charge it in any V4 loksound you want to use Regards Hi Francisco, Is it for the right kind of Br53? This loco did not exist in reality. The Br53 locos which did exist were various old types of 0-6-0 engines with tenders. 53.0 Prussian G42 C n2v G 33.14 53.3 Prussian G43 C n2v G 33.15 53.6–7 Saxon V V C n2v G 33.14, G 33.15 53.8 Württemberg Fc C n2v G 33.13 53.10 Oldenburg G 42 C n2v G 33.13, G 33.14 As Prussian G42 53.70–71 Prussian G 3 C n2 G 33.13 53.76 Prussian G 41 C n2 G 33.13 53.80 Bavarian C IV Zw C n2 G 33.13 53.80–81 Bavarian C IV Vbd C n2v G 33.14 53.82 Saxon V C n2 G 33.13 53.83 Württemberg F2 C n2 G 33.13 53.85 Baden VII a1…17 and VII c1 C n2 G 33.13
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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franciscohg		#7 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:13:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hello Ray, as for the deco title "BR53 steam-freight locomotive, 4 cylinder, wheel arrangement: 1'C'D, tender 5-A" And in the picture you can clearly see a Mallet BR53 Regards
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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RayF		#8 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:19:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hello Ray, as for the deco title "BR53 steam-freight locomotive, 4 cylinder, wheel arrangement: 1'C'D, tender 5-A" And in the picture you can clearly see a Mallet BR53 Regards Yes that sounds like the right one then!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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mb300e4m		#9 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:20:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hello Ray, as for the deco title "BR53 steam-freight locomotive, 4 cylinder, wheel arrangement: 1'C'D, tender 5-A" And in the picture you can clearly see a Mallet BR53 Regards Hello, it is a 4 cylinder Mallet 2-6-8-0 with a tub tender. I have two of them, the other is an earlier 3102, it is the one in the background in the picture. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#10 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:24:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Peter, I have that loco. The existing decoder does have adjustable acceleration and braking delay and maximum speed. That is what the two potentiometers on the decoder are for. It runs well on digital as it is, but if you really want to upgrade the decoder it should not be too hard. For sound you would have to find space for the speaker, and it might be tricky to get a decoder sound project that matches the chuff rate to the two sets of cylinders. Good luck! Hi Ray, You are right about the pots on the circuit board, I had forgotten that. I need to take the cover off and adjust them. Acceleration /deceleration are fierce right now. I suspect that they have never been adjusted. Regarding the space for a speaker, The tub tender is a bit tight on space, I can check under the boiler too. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#11 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hi, i have the winter camo edition, never opened it, but i can check later where the speaker is.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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mb300e4m		#12 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:29:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hi, there is a sound project for BR53 for ESU loksounds, you can ask to the retailer to charge it in any V4 loksound you want to use Regards The nearest dealer to me is about 300 miles away, 5 hours drive on a good day. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#13 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:32:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hi, i have the winter camo edition, never opened it, but i can check later where the speaker is. I would appreciate that very much. There may be a hollow in the bottom of the weight, I could mill it out to take a half inch speaker? Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#14 Posted : 17 March 2017 19:44:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hi, as you can see, a 21 pin interface + deco + speaker, should fit in the tender with no major modifications. The speaker dimensions are 33x17x10 mm As for the sound files, my dealers were also kind enough to upload the project that i have asked for ESU decos, being the nearest one more than 14000 km away...LOL Regards
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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mb300e4m		#15 Posted : 17 March 2017 21:08:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hi, as you can see, a 21 pin interface + deco + speaker, should fit in the tender with no major modifications. The speaker dimensions are 33x17x10 mm As for the sound files, my dealers were also kind enough to upload the project that i have asked for ESU decos, being the nearest one more than 14000 km away...LOL Regards Oops, silly me, of course you are in Patagonia, that is a long way. What is the part number of the Decoder you have installed? I see your weight is slightly different than mine. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#16 Posted : 17 March 2017 21:52:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Peter, I have that loco. The existing decoder does have adjustable acceleration and braking delay and maximum speed. That is what the two potentiometers on the decoder are for. Hi Ray, You are right about the pots on the circuit board, I had forgotten that. I need to take the cover off and adjust them. Acceleration /deceleration are fierce right now. I suspect that they have never been adjusted. Regarding the space for a speaker, The tub tender is a bit tight on space, I can check under the boiler too. Peter B. I adjusted the max speed to minimum setting and increased the accel/decel quite a bit, it is much more realistic now. The top speed was set at max, about 150 mph / 240 kph, a WWII HST. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#17 Posted : 18 March 2017 01:25:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hello Peter, this is a factory equipped decoder, loco is 37024 Have done any conversion on it. I have installed one in a 3102, but was an old lokpilot, no sound, so the space was not a problem.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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H0		#18 Posted : 18 March 2017 09:09:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,265 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: H0 (obsolete) Did our post cross over the cyberspace Tom? LOL Ray was quicker than me. On this site I open a new tab for every thread that looks interesting - it can take a few minutes until I reach the last tab to read it and maybe reply to it. Sometimes I miss recent answers when writing my own reply. To prevent lutzy behaviour we are no longer allowed to delete our own posts.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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mb300e4m		#19 Posted : 18 March 2017 16:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Thanks for the responses, let us get to the nitty gritty. I am open to suggestions by make and part number for an mfx or other digital decoder and a sound generator for this loco that would provide at least control of chuff, whistle, lights, smoke and acceleration/deceleration and top speed control. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#20 Posted : 18 March 2017 17:42:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		As an exercise in futility and confusion, using Francisco’s 37024 as an example, the exploded view shows a part number 163 746. I searched the Marklin site for said number and it seems all of the Marklin decoders use a 5 digit number. I browsed through the ESU on-line catalogue too but don't know where to start...too many choices. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#21 Posted : 18 March 2017 18:32:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hi Peter, may i suggest you to go for a loksound V4M4, when needed i never even thought of going for a marklin replacement decoder, also upgrades were almost always done with ESU decoders, IMHO they just sound far better than M ones. I must say that i havent tried the new mSd3 yet. ESU decos will work in mfx environment.if you decide to carry on with marklin controllers on the future, will also work well with other brand controllers. Regards,,
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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mb300e4m		#22 Posted : 19 March 2017 01:35:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Hi Peter, may i suggest you to go for a loksound V4M4, when needed i never even thought of going for a marklin replacement decoder, also upgrades were almost always done with ESU decoders, IMHO they just sound far better than M ones. I must say that i havent tried the new mSd3 yet. ESU decos will work in mfx environment.if you decide to carry on with marklin controllers on the future, will also work well with other brand controllers. Regards,, Thanks very much Francisco, I will investigate your suggestion further and see what is involved in the changeout. Peter B..
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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river6109		#23 Posted : 19 March 2017 04:06:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Peter, I have done several BR 53's with sound for clients and one for myself which I've sold later on. what I've done is changed the decoder to an ESU decoder (21 pin) with an ESU adapter plate (51968), led's front and rear and the speaker if I remember correctly was placed into the tender., I'm going to look for pictures and if I find them will post them here, I've added other gadgets as well, cab light, side rod inspection lights and fire box light. John Edited by user 12 April 2017 03:50:49(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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mb300e4m		#24 Posted : 30 March 2017 14:58:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: river6109 Peter, I have done several BR 53's with sound for clients and one for myself which I've sold later on. what I've done is changed the decoder to an ESU decoder (21 pin) with an ESU adapter plate (51968), led's front and rear and the speaker if I remember correctly was placed into the tender., I'm going to look for pictures and if I find them will post them here, I've added other gadgets as well, cab light, side rod inspection lights and fir box light. John Thanks John, pictures would be a BIG help. I am not afraid to do the conversion as I have been into electronics off and on for decades, but I want to do it right. Is it safe for me to assume that decoders come with instructions written for dummies; I would hate to just start cutting wires willy-nilly? Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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jvuye		#25 Posted : 30 March 2017 18:23:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: river6109 Peter, I have done several BR 53's with sound for clients and one for myself which I've sold later on. what I've done is changed the decoder to an ESU decoder (21 pin) with an ESU adapter plate (51968), led's front and rear and the speaker if I remember correctly was placed into the tender., I'm going to look for pictures and if I find them will post them here, I've added other gadgets as well, cab light, side rod inspection lights and fir box light. John Thanks John, pictures would be a BIG help. I am not afraid to do the conversion as I have been into electronics off and on for decades, but I want to do it right. Is it safe for me to assume that decoders come with instructions written for dummies; I would hate to just start cutting wires willy-nilly? Peter B. Hi Peter The ESU recommendation is a good one, at least based on my own experience. Two reasons: the very complete/detailed users manuals and the Lokprogrammer tool. The latter makes any programming /adjustment/ diagnostic so much simpler. Small investment for a life of bliss programming decoders! To be 100% honest I have also seen a demo of the Märklin programming tool, and it looked very good too. But since I don't have a CS, it would be hard for me to pass any fair judgment. Still, the range of decoders and accessories in the ESU offering and their incredibly rich library of sound files should be another aspect to consider. I'd suggest you browse their website... Hope this helps. Cheers Jacques
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mb300e4m		#26 Posted : 30 March 2017 20:29:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: jvuye Hi Peter The ESU recommendation is a good one, at least based on my own experience. Two reasons: the very complete/detailed users manuals and the Lokprogrammer tool. ... ... Hope this helps. Cheers Jacques Hello again Jacques, it’s been a while. I have been browsing on the ESU site, although it has been more like hunt and peck, as in many cases I really don’t know what I am looking at or reading. I came across two pages about sound files for the BR 53. They are http://projects.esu.eu/p...overviews/search?q=BR+53 generation 4 and http://www.esu.eu/en/dow...on-3/loksound-v35/steam/ generation 3, second from the bottom. Assuming for a moment that I buy a LokSound V4M4 decoder, what else do I need to give me motor control, lights, chuff, steam sounds, smoke etc.? Would I need to purchase an adapter card/interface, a programmer, and would I need to download and install sound file(s)? Or can I order the decoder and request specific sound files be installed. Keep in mind this is from someone who openly admits he knows absolutely nothing about Digital as it applies to H0 model trains. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#27 Posted : 30 March 2017 20:40:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Peter, just buy the ESU loksound, V4M4, ask first to your dealer to charge the sound project on it, there should be no problem, and if it is, just change the dealer. May i suggest you to buy the 21 pin interface one, and a 21 pin adapter platine. Then install the adapterlatine just soldering the cables, this should be no problem as they are clearly identified. After that just plug your deco, and you are ready to go!!!!! Regards
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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jvuye		#28 Posted : 30 March 2017 21:01:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Hi Peter I'd take generation 4, as I don't think that the V3.x decoder are still on sale. Francisco's suggestion for teh 21 pin adapter is a very good one. And again, get your self the lokprogrammer, do your own programmation? Never done it before? Take it as a positive challenge, the kind that gives you the sense of "victory"(and we'll be helping you all along, if needed) The biggest problem is soldering, and that you know how to already. And you know how to use you smart hone , right? I am sure you can do it. You'll never look back afterwards. That much I know. Cheers
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franciscohg		#29 Posted : 30 March 2017 23:27:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Hi, a lokprogrammer is the ideal, but it is expensive. If you buy an M4 version with the sound preloaded, you can do all further programming with an mfx unit.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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mb300e4m		#30 Posted : 31 March 2017 03:10:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Thanks Francisco and Jacques et al. I am going shopping for a 64499 LokSound V4.0 M4 21 Pin, and a 51968 21 Pin Adapter with the sound project loaded on the decoder. Wish me luck. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#31 Posted : 05 April 2017 00:27:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Thanks Francisco and Jacques et al. I am going shopping for a 64499 LokSound V4.0 M4 21 Pin, and a 51968 21 Pin Adapter with the sound project loaded on the decoder. Wish me luck. Peter B. I just found a retailer who can supply the decoder, interface and programmer for reasonable prices. The decoder is out of stock right now but he will let me know when it arrives. Because I am buying the programmer from him, he will sell me more decoders at a discount for one year, and he can install the sounds too for free if I ask hm. Because the LokSound decoders will fit many other makes beside Marklin, that justifies buying the programmer and I can install some decoders in a few on my other newer locos too and then program them. I really enjoy the encouragement by all the members; maybe you have let a tiger loose here. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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kiwiAlan		#32 Posted : 05 April 2017 18:07:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Thanks Francisco and Jacques et al. I am going shopping for a 64499 LokSound V4.0 M4 21 Pin, and a 51968 21 Pin Adapter with the sound project loaded on the decoder. Wish me luck. Peter B. I just found a retailer who can supply the decoder, interface and programmer for reasonable prices. The decoder is out of stock right now but he will let me know when it arrives. Because I am buying the programmer from him, he will sell me more decoders at a discount for one year, and he can install the sounds too for free if I ask hm. Because the LokSound decoders will fit many other makes beside Marklin, that justifies buying the programmer and I can install some decoders in a few on my other newer locos too and then program them. I really enjoy the encouragement by all the members; maybe you have let a tiger loose here. Peter B. You could buy the 'blank' decoders and download the sounds yourself, as you are getting a Lokprogrammer. The 'blank' decoders have a very basic sound file loaded that allows testing of the speaker and are slightly cheaper than the ones with proper projects loaded. I think the concept is that a shop would buy the blank ones then load the sound file the customer wants and the price difference is a small margin for the work the shop does loading the file.
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franciscohg		#33 Posted : 07 April 2017 17:21:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		I never had a surcharge for loading a sound project.
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mb300e4m		#34 Posted : 07 April 2017 18:46:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg I never had a surcharge for loading a sound project. The two suppliers that have these available do not charge to load projects, if they did they would not get my business. :)
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mb300e4m		#35 Posted : 07 April 2017 18:51:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Thanks Francisco and Jacques et al. I am going shopping for a 64499 LokSound V4.0 M4 21 Pin, and a 51968 21 Pin Adapter with the sound project loaded on the decoder. Wish me luck. Peter B. I just found a retailer who can supply the decoder, interface and programmer for reasonable prices. The decoder is out of stock right now but he will let me know when it arrives. Because I am buying the programmer from him, he will sell me more decoders at a discount for one year, and he can install the sounds too for free if I ask hm. Because the LokSound decoders will fit many other makes beside Marklin, that justifies buying the programmer and I can install some decoders in a few on my other newer locos too and then program them. I really enjoy the encouragement by all the members; maybe you have let a tiger loose here. Peter B. You could buy the 'blank' decoders and download the sounds yourself, as you are getting a Lokprogrammer. The 'blank' decoders have a very basic sound file loaded that allows testing of the speaker and are slightly cheaper than the ones with proper projects loaded. I think the concept is that a shop would buy the blank ones then load the sound file the customer wants and the price difference is a small margin for the work the shop does loading the file. The first decoder I am buying will have the BR 53 sound loaded by the supplier at no charge, he does it as a service to customers that request it. After that I shall do my own, I have to learn so might as well start with the second one. :) Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#36 Posted : 12 April 2017 01:34:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Thanks Francisco and Jacques et al. I am going shopping for a 64499 LokSound V4.0 M4 21 Pin, and a 51968 21 Pin Adapter with the sound project loaded on the decoder. Wish me luck. Peter B. I just found a retailer who can supply the decoder, interface and programmer for reasonable prices. The decoder is out of stock right now but he will let me know when it arrives. Because I am buying the programmer from him, he will sell me more decoders at a discount for one year, and he can install the sounds too for free if I ask hm. Because the LokSound decoders will fit many other makes beside Marklin, that justifies buying the programmer and I can install some decoders in a few on my other newer locos too and then program them. I really enjoy the encouragement by all the members; maybe you have let a tiger loose here. Peter B. It is a done deal. I put my money on the table, figuratively speaking, and the parts are on their way. The Decoder, Adapter AND the Programmer. All I have to do now is to wait, then it will be one small step for me and one giant leap for my eclectic model railway. Eclectic yes, I own and operate about 15 different brands, some I have a lot of and other just a few. AC, DC, Digital (recent), 2 Rail and 3 Rail, H0 and 00, with some 1 and 0 thrown in for good measure. As soon as the parts arrive, I am sure I will have lots of questions, please bear with me. Too many toys and not enough time. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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river6109		#37 Posted : 12 April 2017 13:40:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,715 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		here are some pictures from my conversion back in 2011
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mb300e4m		#38 Posted : 12 April 2017 18:16:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: river6109 here are some pictures from my conversion back in 2011 Thanks for the pictures John. Peter B.
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mb300e4m		#39 Posted : 18 April 2017 16:57:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Yesterday I received a shipment containing an ESU 64499 (V4M4) 21 pin Decoder, a 51968 21 pin Adapter and an ESU Programmer. Today I will step carefully into the installation. Task 1 is to install the adapter. Before starting I need to find instructions in English. The one supplied is in German and does not appear to be available on-line from ESU in any other language. I have a chart showing the differences between Marklin colour codes and DCC (NMRA) standards. The ESU wiring colour codes match the NMRA colour scheme, so I will need to remove the loco and tender bodies to see what colour scheme Marklin used and how/if it matches. I will take notes and pictures as I go. Peter B. I have been away at my other beachplace, on the Atlantic ocean, that explains my silence for a few days.
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kiwiAlan		#40 Posted : 18 April 2017 17:21:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Yesterday I received a shipment containing an ESU 64499 (V4M4) 21 pin Decoder, a 51968 21 pin Adapter and an ESU Programmer. Today I will step carefully into the installation. Task 1 is to install the adapter. Before starting I need to find instructions in English. The one supplied is in German and does not appear to be available on-line from ESU in any other language. I have a chart showing the differences between Marklin colour codes and DCC (NMRA) standards. Am I right in thinking that ESU wiring colour codes match those used by Marklin, so maybe the installation will not be that difficult? But first I will check the colours used on the 3702 to determine if they match the adapter, hopefully they will. I will take notes and pictures as I go. Peter B. I have been away at my other beachplace, on the Atlantic ocean, that explains my silence for a few days. ESU list both the DCC colour codes and the Marklin colour codes. See the downloadable manual at http://www.esu.eu/en/downloads/...anuals/digital-decoders/
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mb300e4m		#41 Posted : 18 April 2017 19:34:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan ESU list both the DCC colour codes and the Marklin colour codes. See the downloadable manual at http://www.esu.eu/en/downloads/...anuals/digital-decoders/ Thanks Alan, I have downloaded the manual for the V4.0 M4 decoders, but cannot find a copy in English for the 51968 21MTC adapter. I copied the table from the German instructions and set it into an XL spreadsheet and translated it which will make life a lot easier. Two things I do not understand are the purpose/meaning of "U+" [Rectified decoder voltage (feedback for functions)] and "SU" in SU- AUX 4. I'll see if I can upload a copy of the table. Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#42 Posted : 18 April 2017 19:42:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan ESU list both the DCC colour codes and the Marklin colour codes. See the downloadable manual at http://www.esu.eu/en/downloads/...anuals/digital-decoders/ Two things I do not understand are the purpose/meaning of "U+" [Rectified decoder voltage (feedback for functions)] and "SU" in SU- AUX 4. I'll see if I can upload a copy of the table. Peter B. Here is a better copy of the table in jpg format. Hopefully there are no errors. Edited by user 23 April 2017 16:40:06(UTC)  | Reason: Replaced the Graphic again.
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mb300e4m		#43 Posted : 21 April 2017 19:15:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		This device is a BD679 "Medium Power NPN Darlington Bipolar Power Transistor for use as output devices in complementary general-purpose amplifier applications." Four wires are connected to the 6090 Decoder, the remaining three feed the front and rear lights and the two smoke units. It is attached to the plastic 6090 board cover with double sided tape. I assume it is OK to cut it out and put it in the parts box, never to see daylight again. Question: Next step is to cut all the wires connected to the 6090 decoder board and this device, yes? Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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Webmaster		#44 Posted : 21 April 2017 21:18:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		This is one of the reasons I have not upgraded my 3702, that extra power transistor - will a normal mfx/Esu decoder be able to drive the lok without it or should it still be there?
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franciscohg		#45 Posted : 21 April 2017 23:34:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Oh yes, it is capable. One advice when converting, i find the work neater when you strip down all the cables and replace them completely with the ones provided in the adapter board (Marklin or ESU)
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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mb300e4m		#46 Posted : 21 April 2017 23:39:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: Webmaster This is one of the reasons I have not upgraded my 3702, that extra power transistor - will a normal mfx/Esu decoder be able to drive the lok without it or should it still be there? The transistor only powers the lights (two incandescent bulbs) and two smoke units. The new interface board has four amplified connections, I am not sure what power they can supply. Some research is needed I can see. Anyone know what the current draw is on a smoke unit? Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#47 Posted : 21 April 2017 23:45:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: mb300e4m Originally Posted by: Webmaster This is one of the reasons I have not upgraded my 3702, that extra power transistor - will a normal mfx/Esu decoder be able to drive the lok without it or should it still be there? The transistor only powers the lights (two incandescent bulbs) and two smoke units. The new interface board has four amplified connections, I am not sure what power they can supply. Some research is needed I can see. Anyone know what the current draw is on a smoke unit? Peter B. I answered my own question when I posted the chart earlier. The amplified connections will supply 250mA. Now to figure out smoke unit current draw, anyone care to guess? Peter B.
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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mb300e4m		#48 Posted : 22 April 2017 00:31:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Florida		Originally Posted by: franciscohg Oh yes, it is capable. One advice when converting, i find the work neater when you strip down all the cables and replace them completely with the ones provided in the adapter board (Marklin or ESU) Francisco, then it is safe to assume you relegated the power Transistor to the scrap. I agree with you about cutting the wires back, did you cut them all the way back to the devices (motor etc) or did you splice them to the adapter wires at some point. I may cut mine back to just inside where they enter the tender body and splice them there. Otherwise there may not be enough room in the body to stuff all the untrimmed wires in. Peter B
		Peter B. In Sunny Florida most of the time. Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
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franciscohg		#49 Posted : 22 April 2017 01:39:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Peter, since the suplied wires are very long, i always try to run them to the end device, pickup shoe, motor, smoke unit, etc. Less connections make less failure points. The other thing i forgot.to tell you is since they are two smokes.units, and to be on the safe side, i wired them trough a mini relay to the decoder. Regards
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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dickinsonj		#50 Posted : 22 April 2017 02:04:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: H0 On this site I open a new tab for every thread that looks interesting - it can take a few minutes until I reach the last tab to read it and maybe reply to it. Sometimes I miss recent answers when writing my own reply. To prevent lutzy behaviour we are no longer allowed to delete our own posts. Yeah - there have been multiple times when I wished that I could delete some of my posts. And Tom, you are the last forum member who I would ever label as being slow to respond to a post. I for one appreciate your quick and knowledgeable replies on so many topics.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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