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Offline stereoly  
#1 Posted : 04 January 2017 22:24:09(UTC)
stereoly

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Location: rome
Dear all, I am a Marklin collector and user from Italy, focused on Marklin items until the 50ies.

Over the years I have read on this forum many interesting discussions on our shared passion and I have learned a lot from many of you.

I have 2 questions regarding the infamous/famous Marklin layout presented at the Leipzigf air in 1939,and these are my issues :

1 - I have two series of 2365 accessory ( from 1 to 6 and from 7 to 12 ) and I had never seen other 2365 series, but in the picture of the Leipzig layout shown in the D16 catalogue it seems there are also number 16 and 17.

2 - still in the same picture, in the elevated part of the layout in the background there is an illuminated building ( in front of the 493/12 oval switch tower ) that I am not able to identify.

Thank you in advance for your help and all my best to all of you.

Antonio
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Offline Pmare4  
#2 Posted : 05 January 2017 02:15:03(UTC)
Pmare4

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Hi Antonio,

The prewar Marklin "Messeanlagen" were used to display new products to dealers. However, due to the onset of war, some items that were seen on the layout were not produced. The most notable of these is the SVT 800, which is now in the Marklin museum. If the signal box is not a prototype, then it may be from the O gauge product lineup. (13728/4 looks similar)

As for the number shields, they were probably renumbered in the factory for this layout.

Regards
Peter
Peter
Collecting vintage Märklin from 1935-1970, also Hornby O Gauge
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Offline Markus Schild  
#3 Posted : 05 January 2017 08:55:13(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Hi all,

Here is the picture we are talking about:

UserPostedImage

Large picture, save it to your disk to see all details.

I agree that the products discussed are prototypes only used on that layout.

Regards

Markus
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Offline DB Fan  
#4 Posted : 05 January 2017 15:21:46(UTC)
DB Fan

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Does anybody know if there is a track plan for this layout? Are there more pictures? Thanks.

Robert
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Offline stereoly  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2017 16:53:01(UTC)
stereoly

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Thank you Peter and Markus for your fast and exhaustive answers.

HiRobert yes there is almost another picture of the llayout and also the tracking plan, I am not so expert at posting but I will try to give you more details.

Best regards to all

Antonio


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Offline Markus Schild  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2017 17:12:14(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Hi Antonio,

I'm sure I own the book where the other picture is shown. But I don't remember where I've seen the picture. I could make a scan and post it here, if I would know where to look.

Regards

Markus
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Offline stereoly  
#7 Posted : 05 January 2017 17:35:37(UTC)
stereoly

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Hi all
As far as I know some pictures were seen in

Spielzeug revue n. 1/2000 pag.23 to 28

And

Hans WILLY Walter highlights , weihnachten 1991 issue,pag. 19

Same pictures and track plan can be found at TimplateForum 2006,article by D. Muller and. F. RINDERKNECHT

Hereafter link to trackplan and to timplate forum, but I am not sure it works.

https://db.tt/o4AzfOPiQZ

https://db.tt/adzfSgRnNt

All best

Antonio
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Offline igf2  
#8 Posted : 05 January 2017 19:30:48(UTC)
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Dear friends

That is the most impressive Layout I would love to reproduce.
One of my friend did it and it was wonderfull to see it in live.

But LMS800 did it as well and posted the trackplan.

Please see on the forum here :

https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/search?postedby=LMS800#5|5

Enjoy !

KRs

Jean-Pierre
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Offline DB Fan  
#9 Posted : 06 January 2017 05:02:30(UTC)
DB Fan

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Thanks for pointing me to that thread. Very informative and what an awesome looking layoutDrool Love . When I bought the track from 5horizonrr I fell in love with the older looking track, engines and rolling stock. So much that I had to buy a 800 engine and 4 freight carsBigGrin . Again thanks for the info.

Robert
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Offline stereoly  
#10 Posted : 06 January 2017 12:21:42(UTC)
stereoly

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Thank you Jean Pierre, one more question, the original picture of the .various layout ( 800/216 800/219 ....... ) where do they come from ? Handler 'catalogue or what .

Antonio
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Offline igf2  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2017 22:44:01(UTC)
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Hi Antonio

The first one was in the 1939 Marklin catalogue and the others were in Hans WILLY Walter highlights , weihnachten 1991 issue,pag. 19.
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Offline stereoly  
#12 Posted : 12 January 2017 22:32:00(UTC)
stereoly

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Thank you , it's quite long time I am searching for it on ebay.
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Offline LMS800  
#13 Posted : 14 January 2017 10:50:24(UTC)
LMS800

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Hi Antonio,
have a look at my layout of this great display.
https://www.marklin-user...g--Toy-Fair-Display.aspx
By the way, most of the items I needed for this display I bought in Rome .
Wolf
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Offline stereoly  
#14 Posted : 15 January 2017 23:22:57(UTC)
stereoly

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Hi Wolf
I know very well your display,I've read the whole story with a lot of interest.
Nice to know now you bought many items in Rome, if I mayest waist from a collector or from a dealer.
All best
Antonio

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Offline stereoly  
#15 Posted : 15 January 2017 23:26:12(UTC)
stereoly

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Sorry for the wrong spelling due to automatic writing.
Question was : if I may ask was it from a collector or from a dealer ?
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Offline LMS800  
#16 Posted : 16 January 2017 13:17:46(UTC)
LMS800

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Originally Posted by: stereoly Go to Quoted Post
Sorry for the wrong spelling due to automatic writing.
Question was : if I may ask was it from a collector or from a dealer ?



Hi Antonio,
I bought the items from a collector, he had to sell his collection due to " private problems" (divorce).
Kind regards
Wolf
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#17 Posted : 20 April 2021 01:49:47(UTC)
Jimmy Thompson

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If I may bring this one back to the front, so to speak, and with probably one of the more strange questions in re this layout. (I have seen a few renditions here and in the Gaggenau show albums) My question is this:

Does anyone know, or is it even important, what colour the base was for 1939 show? Obviously dark (blue? green?) to provide the most contrast for the track and accessories? Just that curious quirk of mine...puzzled I am? Confused

Thanks!
Jimmy T
Analogue; M-track; KLVM; Sarrasani Zirkuswelt
There is a Prototype For Everything
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