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Offline mb300e4m  
#1 Posted : 10 December 2016 22:28:30(UTC)
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I have a BR 18 473 which came out of set 29854. The sound module appears to be a 601866 12/2001 VER 1.2 BS. It has a Whistle and Bell. Should it have Chuff as well? I am new to digital, very much so.

Also, does anyone know what the model number is for this loco?
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 10 December 2016 22:52:47(UTC)
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Hi!

Locos from starter sets from the past decades were not available separately. The loco does not have a five-digit ref. number. It surely has a six-digit ref. number internally at Märklin, but the number has little value for the collector. It also has a different number at Koll's Katalog.

It has bell and whistle sound, but no chuff-chuff sound.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 11 December 2016 06:43:51(UTC)
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The locomotive from the start set are 15 years old.
It has fx decoder and do only have few functions.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline ktsolias  
#4 Posted : 11 December 2016 08:59:15(UTC)
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This set was produced in 2002/2003: "The Digital Premium Starter Set: Part II" 29854 and is the 120 volt version of the 29855 set 230 V
First appeared In page 36 of the 2001/2002 catalog

The BR 18.4 in this set is a 37184 BR 18.4 of the same period with different road number and color scheme.

Is an fx loco with with sound module for whistle and bell only, not a sound decoder!!!
The other functions are the Headlights, and smoke generator.
More informations plans etc you can find in the following links:

http://www.maerklin.de/e...s/details/article/29854/
http://www.maerklin.de/e...s/details/article/37184/
https://static.maerklin....09fa2b494b1434542271.pdf
http://www.maerklin.de/s...&artikelnummer=37184

https://www.bogobit.de/sound/
https://www.bogobit.de/sound/29855-184/

But for sure there are no other sounds. If you want more you have to replace the decoder/module with a new mSD3 60976 decoder
or an ESU decoder

Best regards
Costas

Edited by user 15 December 2016 12:20:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Goofy  
#5 Posted : 11 December 2016 09:45:20(UTC)
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If you want to change the decoder to sound,you must also change motor.
This model from the starter set do have ac motor.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 11 December 2016 10:04:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If you want to change the decoder to sound,you must also change motor.
This model from the starter set do have ac motor.
That's BS.
The model has a DC motor. I think all models with fx decoder have DC motors.
And sound decoders can also be used with AC motors - not worth the money, but technically possible.
Regards
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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 11 December 2016 11:34:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
If you want to change the decoder to sound,you must also change motor.
This model from the starter set do have ac motor.
That's BS.
The model has a DC motor. I think all models with fx decoder have DC motors.
And sound decoders can also be used with AC motors - not worth the money, but technically possible.



I thought this model was equipped with ac motor.

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DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline ktsolias  
#8 Posted : 11 December 2016 14:34:01(UTC)
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This Loco has a 5 pole DC motor c90 (6090) already
No need to change motor at all.

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Offline mb300e4m  
#9 Posted : 14 December 2016 14:09:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ktsolias Go to Quoted Post
This Loco has a 5 pole DC motor c90 (6090) already
No need to change motor at all.

Thanks


Here is a picture with the body off.

PC120603.JPG
Peter B.
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Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 14 December 2016 14:16:34(UTC)
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That's definitely a DC motor and C90 decoder. Just change the decoder for a modern sound decoder from Marklin or ESU. A relatively straight-forward conversion.
Ray
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Offline ktsolias  
#11 Posted : 14 December 2016 19:34:12(UTC)
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Yes very nice.

This is the conversion that I did 1 month ago of a 3318, (similar 18.4 the same frame) with motor 60941 and 60975 mSD3 decoder. I put the speaker in the tender (not shown). You have the motor!!!

IMG_11323_resize.JPG

Is a bit narrow and you must be very careful and isolate the inside of the body with tape, just in case....

The 60985 mSD3 or 60982 mLD3 are better because they are smaller. I have another one 18.4 and I shall use the 60985 mSD3...

Don't hesitate to ask for anything that you need.

Have good time

Costas

Notice: The two thin black wires with the SIL socket are for the cabin Light....All Lights LED of course.

Edited by user 15 December 2016 10:07:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline ktsolias  
#12 Posted : 15 December 2016 18:17:04(UTC)
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You can see the difference in size....

IMG_09197_decoder_1_resize.JPG

60982 (left) 60972 (right)

Also the different in wire color coding (no problem the manual explains all)

60982=NEM, 60972=Marklin

The 60985 (sound) is a bit longer

Costas
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Offline Denis  
#13 Posted : 28 April 2019 08:10:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ktsolias Go to Quoted Post
You can see the difference in size....

IMG_09197_decoder_1_resize.JPG

60982 (left) 60972 (right)

Also the different in wire color coding (no problem the manual explains all)

60982=NEM, 60972=Marklin

The 60985 (sound) is a bit longer

Costas



Good afternoon. Help. Prompt, please, on my photo decoder, how to connect it to my Marklin steam locomotive "BR 03 (3097)"? In the instructions on page 28, there is a scheme, I can not figure out what scheme to connect Marklin or NEM? When connected according to the Marklin scheme, there is as if a short circuit :(
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