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Offline Robyn Boyd  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2013 02:14:49(UTC)
Robyn Boyd

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I really enjoy all of the AMS discussions and how it all blends nicely with the Marklin products, which brings me to ask the relevant question - "Where does one start"? Is it best to start by buying a complete set first or piece meal? Since I am in the USA, I have tons of opportunity to purchase Aurora Slot car stuff, but to me, it doesn't look as good as the AMS. If anyone has any thoughts on the best way to begin, I would really appreciate it!

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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2013 10:00:56(UTC)
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Hi Robyn,

Great thread, I also would like some AMS within my layout.

Looking forward to some input from the experts....

Ian.
Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2013 10:46:15(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: Robyn Boyd Go to Quoted Post
I really enjoy all of the AMS discussions and how it all blends nicely with the Marklin products, which brings me to ask the relevant question - "Where does one start"? Is it best to start by buying a complete set first or piece meal? Since I am in the USA, I have tons of opportunity to purchase Aurora Slot car stuff, but to me, it doesn't look as good as the AMS. If anyone has any thoughts on the best way to begin, I would really appreciate it!



Hi Robyn, good question.

Probably Ebay is really your first port of call. Availability in the US can sometimes be dearth or deluge. If you are comfortable dealing off-shore, then ebay.de would be a good place to start, your ebay.com logon will work on other ebay sites, and for the translation, well personally, I use the Google 'Chrome' browser by default, initially because I liked its built-in automatic translation facility, but it's also a lot faster than IE and now I use IE only on a few instances.

Any items that the seller has indicated he will ship overseas can also be viewed via ebay.com, and all you need to do it change the 'de' portion of the url, to 'com'. If it says the page cannot be displayed then the seller has not selected to send to other countries. The advantage of viewing the item on your home ebay site is that it's easier to navigate for asking questions etc.

Many Europeans are actually quite happy to ship overseas, even as far away as New Zealand, provided you ask first.

But before you do anything, I would strongly suggest you do plenty of searching to establish exactly what you want to buy, especially if you are on a tight budget. If you're lucky and have a money tree then of course you can buy a little more freely and learn from that knowing that whatever ends up surplus you can always relist.

There are a few traps it would be best to avoid, one is not buying cars with a racing chassis to use on your railway, they are simply too fast and you cannot run them slowly with any degree of reliable control and IMHO they just look silly tearing around flat-out, unless you make an actual race track part of your layout.

Vehicles with the so-called 'Zinc-chassis' are best, these run sooo smoothly due to the excellant reductive gearing and they are also heavier so less prone to derailment (de-slotting actually).

If you purchase a Road-Rail set 4005 or 405 you'll most likely get a car with a zinc-chassis anyway, probably a Ford Capri, but don't be too concerned if you don't like that particular auto, most bodies are interchangeable.

If you can wait, and just want to have track integrated, then the only specific thing to obtain is one or more railway/ams crossing sections.

There is the fully automatic (Link) crossing B-176 / 4722...

and two (Link) individual crossing sections to give you this capability.

As for Aurora, I'm not so familiar with their items, and some Aurora items are made by Faller anyway, a good example being the N-Bus, known in Aurora as their "Postage Stamp" series. The general consensus is that the agreement between Faller & Aurora was not to poach on each others 'turf', in exchange for trade co-operation. As far as I know, only Faller, and possibly Tyco Trucking made vehicles capable of sustained slower 'traffic' speeds but I stand to be corrected.

There is a little to learn, but you're in the right place to ask. BigGrin

Good luck

Steve

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Offline kweekalot  
#4 Posted : 13 January 2013 10:52:14(UTC)
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Hi Robyn,

It would be great if you are also going to start with AMS !!! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

I'm no real expert but can give some advice:

Starter sets are relatively expensive. A starter kit is great if you're a collector or would like to have the original box, but you pay a lot of $$$ for what you eventually get. Buying loose AMS stuff is cheaper.

AMS Track elements are not expensive at all, on German Ebay you can find tons of AMS trackelements for around € 1 apiece.
The cars are a different story, they costs a little more, normaly between € 25 to € 60 an some special collector cars > € 1000,=

Keep in mind that AMS is not Marklin, where you can put an 50 year old loco on the tracks and it will run without problems.
AMS is also high quality and great design just like Marklin, but my experience with AMS is that you have to do some adjustments before all goes well.
I mean small problems like bad tires that lose traction, dirty and bend pick-up shoes, slot pins that are not centered....
To keep AMS running, it needs more love and attention than Marklin.

I'm also a beginner and I have made ​​many mistakes: I bought AMS track elements and on arrival they were ugly green colored, at that time I didn't know that there were olive green track elements, on the photos they seemed normal (grey).
I also had problems with running my new and mint container truck, every 10 cm it stoped running. It took me 2 days to find the cause, the slot pin was not exactly in the middle.

The best thing you can do as a beginner is to read about AMS.

Member Cookee_nz (Steve) has a great AMS yahoo group : L I N K

And the Faller AMS Club Sweden has a fantastic website: L I N K

We have a few Faller AMS experts on the forum, like Cookee_nz, Fallerfreak, Mats P, Micha and perhaps some more.
I hope they give you some advise too.

Marco
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Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 13 January 2013 12:46:37(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Steve and Marco,

Thanks for the advice. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Fallerfreak  
#6 Posted : 13 January 2013 18:52:12(UTC)
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Hi!
I agree with the posts above. German E-bay is an excellent place to find AMS, and there is plenty! Like kweekalot said, track pieces are not hard to find at low cost. Note that there are white and brown edges. Brown is from 1963- 66, the white from -67 and on.... It looks best with the same color on all track parts if possible. Zinkchassis are really good to use on a traffic-layout. They normally sell for around 25 - 30 € each. Can be combined with almost any car bodies. Good luck!ThumpUp

On E-bay.de right now:
Zinkchassis on VW-bus

http://www.ebay.de/itm/2...a7d35a48f#ht_1810wt_1102
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Offline Robyn Boyd  
#7 Posted : 13 January 2013 23:57:24(UTC)
Robyn Boyd

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Thank you so much for the information!

I browsed ebay today and saw a lot of cars for auction. Steve indicated that the Zinkchassis are really good because of slow speeds. I did not find any information as to the type of motor other than flachanker. Is there a site that has photos of the different motors and chassis? ( or on the links mentioned above)?
Offline cookee_nz  
#8 Posted : 14 January 2013 00:32:53(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: Robyn Boyd Go to Quoted Post
Thank you so much for the information!

I browsed ebay today and saw a lot of cars for auction. Steve indicated that the Zinkchassis are really good because of slow speeds. I did not find any information as to the type of motor other than flachanker. Is there a site that has photos of the different motors and chassis? ( or on the links mentioned above)?


Usually the seller will specify if it has a Zinc Chassis - actually the chassis itself is Plastic, it's just the top Bearing Plate which is Zinc alloy.

If they don't specify, and are not sure, ask if they can add a photo of the motor to be sure.

Here are two examples, one with Truck chassis (LKW) wheels, the other a Passenger (PKW) with standard wheels.

Unfortunately, unless you really know what you are looking for, you can't tell from underneath either. See examples, the bearing plate is not visible from the underside, although a keen eye can usually tell by looking in from behind the rear wheels where the two solid supports can sometimes be seen overhanging the rear axle.

I am in the process of updating some AMS item info on my homepage, I will try to get on to the different chassis types soon and create a table showing those. There are around 40 unique chassis designs, some have only subtle differences, others are significant design changes. Fortunately, many parts are interchangeable but some combinations work better together than others.

If you are serious about getting into AMS, keep an eye out for the AMS 'Bible' (Das Grosse A-M-S Buch), if you can find it. It comes up on Ebay.de from time to time, expect to pay around 40 Euro's for it, give or take.

Cheers

Steve
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Offline cookee_nz  
#9 Posted : 14 January 2013 01:10:45(UTC)
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Ah, just checked, one listed here at the moment. This is the closest you'll get to a 'Koll's for Faller AMS'.

Incidentally, many years ago I obtained permission from the original author to use sections of the book for my own (English) project "The A-M-S Companion", designed to be a side-by-side English reference (so long as I did not simply 'copy' it). Originally I was going to produce it on a CD and I spent years accumulating and scanning material in as many languages as I could find but since then, a lot more information has been available on the Internet than was available at the time I started and my enthusiasm kind of waned. I still think there's a place for my project because my focus is a little different where I want to dig into Technical subjects and details as well as giving a general overview of each item.

Some years ago, (1995) the original manuscript, photos etc was sold on EBay, It included much additional information and there was speculation the buyer might do a reprint, but sadly, ain't seen it yet. Surprising because it sold for something like 400 Euro's!!

The first edition (the one listed) was published Feb. 1990. I have edition 2 published April 1995. Edition 3 is a long time coming.

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Offline kweekalot  
#10 Posted : 14 January 2013 08:11:52(UTC)
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And two others sites, totally dedicated to AMS and in English:


Faller AMS autos


Casy place Faller AMS
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Offline Mats P  
#11 Posted : 14 January 2013 22:01:37(UTC)
Mats P

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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post


If you are serious about getting into AMS, keep an eye out for the AMS 'Bible' (Das Grosse A-M-S Buch), if you can find it. It comes up on Ebay.de from time to time, expect to pay around 40 Euro's for it, give or take.



Hi Steve

I don´t think you will get it for about 40 €uros nowadays. The last years the price have increased to around 100 €uros! A new edition wouldn´t be bad since there obviously is a big demand of this book.

/Mats
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