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Marty		#1 Posted : 19 August 2012 00:18:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2008(UTC) Posts: 272 Location: USA		Here are a couple of videos I discovered on Youtube on the subject of automated train storage. They are both in Italian, but the videos are fascinating even if you don't understand the narration. Enjoy!
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Bigdaddynz		#2 Posted : 19 August 2012 02:25:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Wow, someone has been very clever!
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NZMarklinist		#3 Posted : 19 August 2012 02:34:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Wow, someone has been very clever! Yes, you've got to hand it to the Italians for some ingenious engineering, but the layouts are all about the storage system it seems
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xxup		#4 Posted : 19 August 2012 03:54:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,473 Location: Australia		M Track too..
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mattj70		#5 Posted : 19 August 2012 06:34:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2010(UTC) Posts: 460 Location: Hudson FL		Very nice! Matt
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guiverc		#6 Posted : 19 August 2012 09:44:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		impressive [storage] yes - but limited layout shown. nice collection though.
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H0		#7 Posted : 19 August 2012 09:53:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Here's a motor-powered DIY showcase (German text only): http://www.bbutz.de/?id=Vitrine The showcase is controlled by a loco decoder ("Vitrine"). By moving the showcase, only half the height of the wall can be used for trains. The Italian solution with the lift doubles the storage capacity of the wall and requires less motor power for the moving parts (only a lift is moving, not the showcase). The showcase provides better protection from dust OTOH.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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tyrre		#8 Posted : 19 August 2012 10:31:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 17 Location: Uppsala, Sweden		Nice systems indeed. I had a plan to put up a vitrine on the wall and connect the ends on one side with a helix and turnouts. Reqires less mechanics but takes the space of the helix and you can only move one train set at a time. /Tyrre
		Recently converted from M to C track and from analog to digital locos but still on temporary occasional floor layouts and with many manual turnouts...
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foumaro		#9 Posted : 19 August 2012 10:54:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Very impressive.The second one looks like a giant turntable.
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FMS		#10 Posted : 19 August 2012 13:15:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: PT		Genius, but mostly about the device. Tks for the videos, it'a always interesting to see this gadgets.
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NZMarklinist		#11 Posted : 20 August 2012 02:17:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: H0 Here's a motor-powered DIY showcase (German text only): http://www.bbutz.de/?id=Vitrine The showcase is controlled by a loco decoder ("Vitrine"). By moving the showcase, only half the height of the wall can be used for trains. The Italian solution with the lift doubles the storage capacity of the wall and requires less motor power for the moving parts (only a lift is moving, not the showcase). The showcase provides better protection from dust OTOH. " better protection from dust" For that I believe the Train-Safe system is very hard to beat
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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H0		#12 Posted : 20 August 2012 15:23:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist "better protection from dust" For that I believe the Train-Safe system is very hard to beat Yeah - but that ain't "automated train storage", so it's OT. But on a big shelf you can have six or more train safes on each board with six or more boards on the shelf - huge storage capacity (at a huge price), but don't stumble when you carry a tube between shelf and layout.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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NZMarklinist		#13 Posted : 20 August 2012 16:09:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist "better protection from dust" For that I believe the Train-Safe system is very hard to beat Yeah - but that ain't "automated train storage", so it's OT. But on a big shelf you can have six or more train safes on each board with six or more boards on the shelf - huge storage capacity (at a huge price), but don't stumble when you carry a tube between shelf and layout. Hi Tom, "don't stumble when you carry a tube between shelf and layout." very true However it's relationship is that you can run the trains in and out of the tubes, you don't have to handle them, but yes ok still a bit OT, but you can use the system with a conventional layout, or at least have a layout
		Glen Auckland NZ " Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok ! CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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steventrain		#14 Posted : 20 August 2012 17:55:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Very impressive.
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Gregor		#15 Posted : 22 August 2012 19:29:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 996 Location: Netherlands		I remember discussing similar ideas on this forum, long long time ago (2003). See https://www.marklin-user...ding-shadow-station.aspx Way too difficult for the average and more than average skilled hobbyist. Best regards, Gregor
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Marty		#16 Posted : 22 August 2012 20:41:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2008(UTC) Posts: 272 Location: USA		Originally Posted by: Gregor I remember discussing similar ideas on this forum, long long time ago (2003). See https://www.marklin-user...ding-shadow-station.aspx Way too difficult for the average and more than average skilled hobbyist. Best regards, Gregor I agree; this kind of project is more for manufacturing engineers who want to play in their spare time. Who knows, maybe a vendor will come up with a kit one of these days.... ...it won't be cheap, though! Here's another variation I found on youtube:
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DaleSchultz		#17 Posted : 19 September 2012 04:00:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		excellent execution - both very clever designs. The vertical one can store a lot of trains with very little motor power needed, but throughput is very slow and one at a time. The horizontal turntable is much faster and can allow two (in that version) or more in and the same number out at the same time, but still uses almost as much horizontal space as a regular fiddle yard.
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DaleSchultz		#18 Posted : 19 September 2012 04:10:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		here is a somewhat related thread https://www.marklin-user...ble-Schattenbahnhof.aspx
		Dale Intellibox + own software, K-Track My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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Marty		#19 Posted : 20 September 2012 01:38:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2008(UTC) Posts: 272 Location: USA		Thanks for the link, Dale. I guess that's another way to store one's trains. It looks a bit too "industrial" for my taste to be considered a display case, but then again, I've been to restaurants and stores where the industrial look is the theme of the establishment. Just my opinion...
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