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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#1 Posted : 09 October 2009 06:49:03(UTC)
Jeremy Palmer

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Location: St. Michael, Barbados
Hi Guys,

I have found this set new from a dealer and I am tempted by it. When
I check under our loco reviews it seems it was not well received by
the reviewer. Does anyone else have one of these sets and are they
also disappointed?

Jeremy.
Jeremy.

1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese.
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 09 October 2009 12:27:06(UTC)
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Hi, Jeremy,

A quote from the review:
"This model is a clear disappointment, given its high price. If it hadn't been for the derailment sensitivity I would have rated it as OK."

I have C track - I don't have any problems with derailments.
The price I paid was OK for me.

The train uses small plugs for electric connection. It's a bit difficult to join them - and more difficult to take them apart.
No problem if you leave it on the track permanently.

I'm not disappointed, I like it.

Märklin introduced #3070 in 1965. It is slightly too short.
Roco has an AC version (#69123, NS version) with sound: full length, more details, operating sound - but no C Sine.
RRP 559 Euro, but sold for less than 300 Euro.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Gregor  
#3 Posted : 09 October 2009 12:40:38(UTC)
Gregor

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Location: Netherlands
Hi Jeremy,

I have the original RAm TEE 1 model (3070), and indeed it is a nightmare when it comes to derailments. The model as delivered seems to be too low in weight, and the issue is that its derailments are not related to any fixed spots on the layout. It derails where no other trains derail. It does not derail where some others often derail. It runs fine over places where it derailed the minute before, etc. A nightmare for trouble shooting.

So now I follow a step-by-step approach. I just took the motor car and the rear car. The rear car derailed, so I added some weight. Issue solved (i.e., no derailments in 3 weeks). Then I added one central car. Had to add weights here as well. And reduce speed, but not to disappointing low level. Now after some weeks, I will add the next car. So hopefully one day, all five will be back on the track.

I still like the set for it's appearance. And because it's partly Dutch, of course. I inherited this one. Would I buy it, knowing all this.....probably not.

I know not everybody has this issue. It was discussed also in other treads:
https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=12889
https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=11436

Best regards,
Gregor
Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#4 Posted : 09 October 2009 13:53:11(UTC)
Jeremy Palmer

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Location: St. Michael, Barbados
Thanks Gregor and Tom,

Are the connections similiar to the connections on the 37605?

Many thanks,

Jeremy.
Jeremy.

1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese.
Offline Gregor  
#5 Posted : 09 October 2009 16:56:27(UTC)
Gregor

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Location: Netherlands
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Palmer
<br />Are the connections similiar to the connections on the 37605?
Don't think so.

For the 3070 the mechnical connection consists of a special coupling: A fork on one side slides around a stud on the other car, and is secured by some kind of brace.
The electrical connection consists of a cable with 3 pole connector one one side, with a 3 pole socket on the other car, located in the passage between cars. Rather fiddly to connect.

I am not sure on how the 37605 is joined, but I guess (and hope) it's different.

Gregor
Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 09 October 2009 22:30:26(UTC)
mike c

Canada   
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Posts: 7,421
Location: Montreal, QC
The 39700 uses the same connectors as the earlier 3471.
There is a weight problem with the pilot coach, which can cause it to derail when being pushed. This can be easily solved by adding weight to the coach.

I have the RailTop model of this train and am very happy with it. There is also the Roco model which is 1:87 but is capable of running on R2 curves. Additionally, there is a new Trix model that can be converted to 3 rail quite easily.

If you are interested in the Roco train, I believe that it is on special at Schweickhardt.

Regards

Mike C
Offline AshleyH  
#7 Posted : 10 October 2009 00:07:23(UTC)
AshleyH

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Posts: 684
Location: Bournemouth, Dorset
I have the new Trix version. Still in two rail at the moment, but it has the clip fixing points for the pickup shoes, so should be a fairly easy conversion....when I have time. It is a big improvement on the 39700 which I also have. The Trix is also 187 and R2, so I guess it will never be released under the Marklin branding.
Offline intruder  
#8 Posted : 11 October 2009 21:05:27(UTC)
intruder

Norway   
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 5,382
Location: Akershus, Norway
Some basic differencies between the old and new versions:

3070: interior light, no interior, no additional weights in the cars
3071: no interior light, no interior, no weights
3150: as 3070 (I think)
3471: interior light, interior, additional weight (steel plate) under the interior
37500: as 3471
39700: as 3471

I have the 3071 (including a 4071 coach) and the 37500. I have added additional weights in the 3071 control car and interior light, interior and the steel plate weights in all the cars. Both sets runs very nice on my flat oval test track with C-tracks.

I know nothing about the running performance on uphill or downhill curves.

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Offline jlopez  
#9 Posted : 19 March 2018 03:04:19(UTC)
jlopez

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Posts: 143
Location: San Francisco
Old thread but just got this second hand. Runs like a champ on my M-track layout. Goes over all the switches wth it a hitch. Even the old ones with the bigger lanterns. Haven had it derail yet. And have been running it for a few hours.

Just thought I’d post on update.
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by jlopez
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 19 March 2018 08:32:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jlopez Go to Quoted Post
Even the old ones with the bigger lanterns.
That's the advantage of shortening each coach by an inch or more (the length of the 39700 is 935 mm, the length of the Trix model 22131 is 1130 mm).

OTOH the powered car surely looks impressive in full scale length.
Regards
Tom
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