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RayF		#51 Posted : 02 September 2009 01:30:01(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#52 Posted : 02 September 2009 01:39:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />David, do not stir the pot... Well, I thought it was more of a wind up (of the clockwork key) rather than a pot stir, but your point is taken Juhan.........
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WelshMatt		#53 Posted : 02 September 2009 03:06:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />I have my doubts about the throttle control on this one. That aside this is what I wouldn't mind getting (once I update to CS1 Reloaded v3.0) That looks like the controller Bachmann UK are selling as "Dynamis". In general it seems to be getting positive reviews, although the infra-red wireless link seems a bit of a bad idea to me - I'd rather radio (bluetooth?) or a cable. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 18:54:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Bigdaddynz		#54 Posted : 02 September 2009 03:22:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Yes you're right Matt. The Bachmann Dynamis is based on the ESU unit.
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Bigdaddynz		#55 Posted : 02 September 2009 03:30:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />More than happy to give it back to you............blah blah blah...... Well we all know that you think you are the Webmaster on this forum and what you says goes, but I have news for you. The fact that Goofy has posted a thread about Zimo decoders, even though in a Marklin forum, seems to suggest he wants to talk about Zimo decoders. This is something he has confirmed. Zimo sell their product to a wider audience than pure Marklin users. That is the context in which this discussion is taking place. Now I'm sorry if the Marklin Bigot of the Year cannot understand that, but that is the way it is. And in case you didn't get it the first, second or third time, I will quote the words of the person who actually is the forum webmaster........"Lutz - actually there are alternatives for marklin-users." As I said, surprising how little you know.
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john black		#56 Posted : 02 September 2009 03:59:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />ZIMO might be well suited for the two rail/DCC market, but using their products in a Märklin environment isn't really that easy going. Maybe such interventions result in the contrary. Those who want it will get it ... And then we wanna see Goofy's test report on ZIMO. New stuff is always great [:p][:p][:p]
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Bigdaddynz		#57 Posted : 02 September 2009 06:13:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Well John, I know mmrcnzjohn was keen on the Zimo stuff, and I think he would have gone that way if it were not for the expense. He recommended me to look at their website in the first place.
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Goofy		#58 Posted : 02 September 2009 11:10:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Honestly, ZIMO might be well suited for the two rail/DCC market, but using their products in a Märklin environment isn't really that easy going. Not by using ZIMOs locomotivdecoder MM...!
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Goofy		#59 Posted : 02 September 2009 11:20:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Likewise for the controller. It's not at all comparable to "modern" technology controllers like a CS or ECoS; doesn't even have Ethernet. Barely any of the Märklin locos are delivered with DCC decoders, the undoubted preferred data protocol of ZIMO controllers. Lacks mfx (thus loss of many extra functions that are standard today in Märklin locos). The feedback system is different. Have you ever tried to (re-)configure a Märklin digital signal with a ZIMO controller? I'll stop now before the list gets too long. Ethernet...???Not necessary by using it,when ZIMO has download via USB stick anyway! ZIMO has 20 functionbuttons to control all functions at locomotiv,DCC or and MM! Who did said,that Marklin has DCC decoder into own locomotivs...?We are talking about MM from ZIMO...!!! [:(!] ZIMO are fully accepting Marklin digitalsignal,just because ZIMO can also control MM...!!!Wake up,Lutz! I´ll stop now before the list gets too long.
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Goofy		#60 Posted : 02 September 2009 11:30:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich And NO, Rud. This has nothing to do with "defending Märklin" (nice try). It's a basic matter of understanding of this forum and its purpose. As we all know, Märklin is delivering their locos with own decoders, which work quite well with their own controllers. Defending Marklin...? Who did said,that this forum is only about Marklin when there is other manefacture that are supporting MM too...? You did it,Lutz...!!! Lutz...! Do you have yourself ESU sounddecoder too,by using it at yours Marklin locomotiv...??? Marklin has own decoder...??? HA HA HA...nice try,Lutz!
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Goofy		#61 Posted : 02 September 2009 11:38:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Guess what, I'm not talking from the perspective of Marklin users! Zimo aren't manufacturing just for Marklin fans. They are manufacturing for the wider MRR community who want to use DCC. Marklin, MM and mfx just does not have much relevance in that market. More than happy to give it back to you. Again, surprising how little you know. No, I won't speculate about your apparent memorizing lack, but you never seem to have been able to capture the headline of this wonderful website: "A site dedicated to the Märklin model train hobby" Märklin doesn't really need to be mentioned explicit in the headline of a thread - it's self-evident. Lutz...! You have yourself some Roco or kind of manefacture by using it at 3 rail system. So this site IS NOT dedicated for Marklin,just for 3 rail system...!!! Marklin don´t have self-evident!It´s just what only fan of Marklin who says so...! For the last time,dear members...! ZIMO supports MM too...! That´s way i did created an topic like this,to supporting you and helping you and also most important to think:A possible by using MM with others manefacture...! THANK YOU...!
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john black		#62 Posted : 02 September 2009 14:35:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Save your energy, Goofy ... He's just trying to make other products look bad. Won't help a bit. People decide for themselves what they want ... [}:)]
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john black		#63 Posted : 02 September 2009 14:37:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Well John, I know mmrcnzjohn was keen on the Zimo stuff, and I think he would have gone that way if it were not for the expense. He recommended me to look at their website in the first place. Right, BigDaddy - money is always a factor. At least for most of us ... [:I]
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Bigdaddynz		#64 Posted : 02 September 2009 14:49:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		He decided to stick with his trusty 6021, just like a few others here. But I must say that the Zimo technology impressed me when I looked at their website and catalogs, not withstanding the dismissive comments from certain quarters.
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RayF		#65 Posted : 02 September 2009 14:53:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		For me, money is always a very important consideration. However, I am always prepared to pay a little more for genuine Marklin, if I think it's worth while. If a Zimo decoder is more expensive than a Marklin one, I won't even consider it, irrespective of what qualities it has. If it's cheaper, then I will consider it if I'm saving enough money. I'm not interested in technology for it's own sake. If the Zimo system has something revolutionary which will allow me to run my trains better, then I might get interested, but it doesn't look like that is the case.
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Goofy		#66 Posted : 02 September 2009 17:18:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy You have yourself some Roco or kind of manefacture by using it at 3 rail system. More than you'd think of. And you'd not believe - they all have one thing in common: they must be compatible with the Märklin system. Nope...nope,Lutz!!! They must been compatible with MM,not for Marklin system...!!! Even for 3 rail system too. Don´t Lutz know that...??? [:0]
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Goofy		#67 Posted : 02 September 2009 17:27:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Simply recognize some facts. MM is a mature digital system and only retained by Märklin for compatibility reasons; mfx is the current preferred system, also in the next future, for Märklin products. NO...NO...NO,Lutz!!! MM is not only retained for or by Marklin. It was actuelly Lenz who did created this system and it did become registration for NMRA,by supporting a new digitalsystem for Marklin,ZIMO,Roco,Uhlenbrock...etc!!! Mfx is only an kind of function,by registration locomotiv back to digitalsystem. Nothing else...
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Goofy		#68 Posted : 02 September 2009 17:32:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich If the ZIMO digital system isn't able to manage mfx, it can be questioned if this is "more advanced" in the eyes of Märklin users. And don't forget - there are already today way more Märklin digital controllers with mfx out than ZIMO is probably ever able to produce. Forget about mfx function...!!! With ZIMO cabcontrol,you can control all 16 functions at Marklins locomotivs! And yes,even control all CV adress at mfx decoder...!!! But to registration back to digitalsystem with mfx,is therefore not possible.
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Goofy		#69 Posted : 02 September 2009 17:46:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich You'll surely also determine (maybe even know already) the limitations which ZIMO decoders provide to that category of (potential?) customers. The latest "nightmare" with their new MX630 family is just another showcase. ZIMO might be fine for those who like to experiment around. You surely have already ZIMO decoders in use. Just tell us how you reprogram their digital address by Mobile Station users. "Nightmare"...??? If not less customer did some mistakes,by programming or and put decoder into locomotiv. ZIMO is an fully functional digitalsystem,not experiment around only. So does even for Marklin about CS...which has not been in fully functional either too... ZIMO decoders for MM can been using fully with MS,if not less MS has some zone by using it.So problem are at MS in case... Remember here,dear Lutz...that i can using all kind of decoders who support MM with ZIMO via cabcontrol.If not less there is some faults at decoder,even from Marklin too...
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Rud		#70 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 65 Location: Kalundborg Denmark		Thanks Goofy and Lutz for making my point. And now back to topic. Trying to understand what the Zimo system is all about, ( I haven´t even heard of it before, but then again I´m not a hardcore digital freak ), at first it seemed to be ideally suited for me. Since my collection spans from 1949 up till today, my locomotives require different forms of controlling, spanding from the simple analog/analogue method up to Delta/MS1/6021. Besides Märklin I also collect and run N-gauge, mainly Fleischmann Piccolo. I have just taken delivery of the digital startersets 939981 & 937181, which both are equipped with Fleischmanns Lokmaus. So the Zimo seems to be a/the solution for one controller for it all. But is it? I don´t understand the gibberish Goofy is spewing out. Zimo´s homepage is of no help, and I would´nt even consider rebuilding my Märklin engines, as Lutz says,( and he is, I´ll give him that, normally very well informe ), is necessary. So where does that leave me, is Zimo something for me, or is it not?
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Goofy		#71 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:21:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		ZIMO is more advanced digitalsystem as Marklins CS. But if this system fits for you,i cannot say for that...! And yes...you can using N-scale with ZIMO too,by programming voltage out to the tracks. Delta...? Not sure...but all MM decoder...YES!
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Rinus		#72 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:22:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Somehow this 'discussion' makes me think of the Jerry Springer show!
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davemr		#73 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:33:22(UTC) Retweet
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Goofy		#74 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:39:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Somehow 'discussion' reminds me of the Jerry Springer shows! Yes...! But who has the right...?
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Peterail		#75 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:47:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: ,		Rud your point has certainly been proved. Has anybody got a Zimo system. Do you use Zimo Goofy or do you just think it is better than Marklin without running your trains with it ?
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Goofy		#76 Posted : 02 September 2009 18:58:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Peterail <br />Rud your point has certainly been proved. Has anybody got a Zimo system. Do you use Zimo Goofy or do you just think it is better than Marklin without running your trains with it ? I did just only presentation news about ZIMO digital system. And yes... i know that ZIMO works very well with MM,by reading trainmagazin who did tested ZIMO digital system. You can always too,asking to ZIMO by sending with testresults to see after an evidence. Some of swedish,danish,english customer has proven with excellence function by of ZIMO digital system. And i have seen ZIMO in function at danish messe for two years ago.
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Goofy		#77 Posted : 02 September 2009 19:21:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		By the way,Peterail...! If you have an ESU sounddecoder,there is multiprotocol function so you can using an digitalsystem that has DCC and or MM,so decoder can registration automatic after digitalsystem like ZIMO,Marklin,Uhlenbrock...etc! So ZIMO has both DCC and MM,just like Marklins CS2 60214 with DCC. ZIMO works damn very well,than you might it...!!!
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Peterail		#78 Posted : 02 September 2009 19:52:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: ,		Goofy I am sure Zimo is good but I would like to hear from somebody who has one. If nobody on the forum has one then why would I want it? I have a CS2 and my locos come complete with, mainly, a Marklin mfx decoder. Thank you though for the information and link to their webpage. Peter
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Goofy		#79 Posted : 02 September 2009 19:58:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Ohhh...! One more thing: You can also using DCC at 3 rail. Like this...buy an Brawa 3 rail locomotiv with sound V 3.5,that works for both DCC and MM digital system by registration automatic after digitalsystem. Connect ZIMO and DCC function at 3 rail and drive Brawa locomotiv...Voila!!! It works...!!!
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Webmaster		#80 Posted : 02 September 2009 21:35:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Looks like noone among the current debaters uses the Zimo full system... I think Jacques V has real-life experiences of it, let's see if he joins the discussion here... Until we can get a real life Zimo m-user to tell us the advantages and maybe drawbacks of that system, we are only speculating - not knowing... Each system has it's cons and pros, its just a matter of deciding which route to go. The CS2 is a good all-in-one controller, as are many others. It's just a matter of choosing the system that suits your needs. I am sure the Zimo system is absolutely great, but unfortunately I have no hands-on experience of it, so I cannot have an opinion about it. 3-rail DCC is possible with any system, that's just a matter of wiring...
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john black		#81 Posted : 02 September 2009 21:43:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Somehow 'discussion' reminds me of the Jerry Springer shows! Yes...! But who has the right ...? Those with the fatter fists [}:)][xx(]
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Goofy		#82 Posted : 02 September 2009 22:29:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster 3-rail DCC is possible with any system, that's just a matter of wiring... Nope...! It does digital signals via rail,that makes an difference... DCC or MM! You have 2 cables out to the tracks,2 rail or 3 rail. You can also using 2 rail MM,by placement an MM decoder at 2 rail locomotiv and even using Marklins CS2 just for that. So does for ZIMO like others manefacture too. But there is an problem...reverse loop for MM at 2 rail [:I] Oppsss...!!! Now i did perhaps made angry situation at Marklinfans,who are supporting only 3 rail... [B)]
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Goofy		#83 Posted : 02 September 2009 22:31:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Somehow 'discussion' reminds me of the Jerry Springer shows! Yes...! But who has the right ...? Those with the fatter fists [}:)][xx(] Smock in the air...!!!
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Purellum		#84 Posted : 02 September 2009 23:04:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,505 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		I know, I know : Will the real Swedish Chef please stand up? This is a VB.Net function that you can use to translate your message to Swedish Chef. Per. Edited by moderator 23 June 2012 00:36:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Webmaster		#85 Posted : 02 September 2009 23:09:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Goofy, 2-rail or 3-rail is just matter of electricity. What you send as digital signal is not important as long as the decoder in the loco understands it and picks up the current, voltage and the overlaid digital signal through the track... The signals go over 2 wires, it's just the track that is different... MM as a protocol has no problems with reverse loops... That is an electrical problem built into 2-rail track operation... All decoders since the 6090 are also polarity independent, so that point is mute too... Recommended reading for those who do not know...(written by me 10 years ago or so....): https://www.marklin-user...igital/dfd/dfdindex.html
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john black		#86 Posted : 02 September 2009 23:23:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum <br /> I know, I know : Will the real Swedish Chef please stand up? Thanks so much for the reminder, Per (had completely [xx(] forgotten bout 'em)
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Bigdaddynz		#87 Posted : 03 September 2009 01:18:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Well we all know that you think you are the Webmaster on this forum and what you says goes. You surely have no clue what I think, but not anymore surprising how little you really know. Time for some soothing relief.... (Insert of PrepH ointment here) Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 18:52:22(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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TimR		#88 Posted : 03 September 2009 01:22:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Interesting about how the free advertising for ZIMO controller here goes on and on.. they should be very happy. One, so far noone seem to have bought one and actually have such a great experience of it that they can actually recommend this product to use in Marklin Systems. Two, in case anybody noticed, most of us don't seem to even remotely interested even in the prospect of using ZIMO product with Marklin Systems. One can't help to think that this topic maybe should have been posted in a DC forum and see what they think about it. Please MS2, come out and put us out of our misery [xx(]!
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Bigdaddynz		#89 Posted : 03 September 2009 01:35:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		I certainly haven't had any experience of Zimo myself. As I stated, it was because of the enthusiastic recommendation from mmrcnzjohn which make me take a look in the first place. Maybe one or two of our Marklin club members have had some experience with Zimo products. I shall ask around the club and see what people have to say.
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Peterail		#90 Posted : 03 September 2009 01:37:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: ,		Agreed Tim as I said above nobody has posted that has one. I see you are waiting for the MS2. I dont suppose anybody knows when we will get this. I like these pics must get them on to some of the UK sites for a laugh. Maybe thats where Goofy should have his thread as well. Peter
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john black		#91 Posted : 03 September 2009 01:46:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Peterail <br />I like these pics must get them on to some of the UK sites for a laugh. No problem, Peter. Just don't forget about that license fee (our master piccies, ya know ) One loco to each m-usersdotnet member oughta do ... Seriously - with best regards to our friends in UK they are yours, have fun [}:)]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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SierraDelta		#92 Posted : 03 September 2009 09:36:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Time for some soothing relief.... Oh well - less than 24 hours after replying "point taken" when Juhan requested "... don't stir the pot".
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nevw		#93 Posted : 03 September 2009 10:22:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by SierraDelta <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Time for some soothing relief.... Oh well - less than 24 hours after replying "point taken" when Juhan requested "... don't stir the pot". Soren, Unfortunately there have been a lot of posts deleted that prompted that ointment. NN
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Goofy		#94 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:01:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Goofy, 2-rail or 3-rail is just matter of electricity. What you send as digital signal is not important as long as the decoder in the loco understands it and picks up the current, voltage and the overlaid digital signal through the track... The signals go over 2 wires, it's just the track that is different... Digital signals has to do about binary codes,so 2 or and 3 rail doesn´t matter. It´s what you have kind of binary codes on the tracks,that makes an different. So that means you can using 2 rail,by using both DCC and MM. But also 3 rail for DCC and MM. Track is different...??? Nope...that´s wrong!
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Goofy		#95 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:07:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster MM as a protocol has no problems with reverse loops... That is an electrical problem built into 2-rail track operation... All decoders since the 6090 are also polarity independent, so that point is mute too... 3 rail don´t have reverse loops problems...i´m writing about 2 rails by turnout back to the same turnout. That makes an shortcircuit,if you don´t isolate all rail after the turnout...no matter if you have DCC and MM digital signals. All decoders inside of DCC and MM has polarity independent.So what...?
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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Goofy		#96 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:14:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		One more thing: If this forum has loco reviews by supporting of webmaster and members too,by testing different locomotivs from different manefacture you can also do that with digitalsystem that are supporting MM too. So you should welcome ZIMO too,just like all other manefacture too.
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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john black		#97 Posted : 03 September 2009 18:39:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Goofy - as a well-known fact our Great Webmaster is open for everything that's interesting and reasonable. Why don't you take the time and present us with a nice test report ... [:p]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Goofy		#98 Posted : 03 September 2009 18:46:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Goofy - as a well-known fact our Great Webmaster is open for everything that's interesting and reasonable. Why don't you take the time and present us with a nice test report ... [:p] Ehhh...? I did just only presentation an news from ZIMO and writing about ZIMO too. I don´t have the system. Sorry...but you can contact ZIMO and get results from them. An friend to me has this system and are only pleasent this system with very good results...but it stands in swedish language! [:I]
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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john black		#99 Posted : 03 September 2009 18:53:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Thank you, Sir - this is great information
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Goofy		#100 Posted : 03 September 2009 18:57:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,026		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Thank you, Sir - this is great information As useful! You welcome!
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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