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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#1 Posted : 13 April 2007 22:56:57(UTC)
CCS800KrokHunter3

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Hello everyone,
I know this has been talked about before a little but I could not find a thread through my searches that pleases me...Where do you start with it? I have seen many starter sets on Ebay and other internet stores but I have a few questions about it.
1. Have any of you used it?
2. What are the downsides of it?
3. How does it charge?
4. How long does a charge last?
5. Are there lights on the cars?
6. Can the cars be self-made or kit bashed?

Thanks, any answers would be helpful...Thanks again for your replies.

Here is what I have found so far...


http://www.midlandred.info/faller.shtml

Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#2 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:20:22(UTC)
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Am I being shunned?
Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:23:09(UTC)
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No, I just have no experience with it. I have plans for a big city in a later expansion and may try to incorporate it then, but that is years away. I do know that Miniature Wunderland modified their Faller vehicles to charge "on the fly" The computer keeps track of each one and routs it into a hidden charging station, Charging contacts have been added to the sides of the vehicles and contact with wires in the charging stations or recharge them.
Doesn't seem to take long.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
Offline dntower85  
#4 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:30:16(UTC)
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Its so new I haven't heard anyone on this forum getting one yet, most of what I know has come form the youtube videos
DT
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Offline David Dewar  
#5 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:45:56(UTC)
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Hi I have used the Faller car system on previous layouts but not on the present one. Although I like Faller kits I would say that their car system is more like a toy but with care a good modeller can make it look reasonable.
Making the roads is the main thing to ensure a good finish and good running. The cars are pretty basic but a charge does last a long time and vehicles can be left on charge at the end of a railway session.
You have little control over the cars which unless bought in a starter kit seem over priced.
Good fun but soon becomes a bit boring and my vehicles were usually static.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline tworail  
#6 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:46:56(UTC)
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Take a look at this Youtube video from a German TV auto show.



Shows all the stuff at Minutur Wunderland, as well as the charging station that is mentioned above.
Offline rschaffr  
#7 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:51:55(UTC)
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The Faller car system at MiWuLa is quite impressive (as are the train layouts), but they have a paid staff to keep things running (What a job! Why haven't I found a job where they pay me to play with trains?)
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#8 Posted : 14 April 2007 00:59:46(UTC)
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Yeah, that's just about all the information I have found too...It would be interesting to incorporate them with anohter movie object such as a crane or container shipping or something like that...maybe even driving onto a train. I'll have to do more research as to how to controll them.. Thanks. More replies/info welcom. thanks.
Offline Larry  
#9 Posted : 14 April 2007 02:02:03(UTC)
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I can just see burying the guide in the pavement too deep and also buying lots of batteries. But, it look great to me and so realistic.
Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 14 April 2007 02:13:45(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by CCS800KrokHunter3
<br />Hello everyone,
I know this has been talked about before a little but I could not find a thread through my searches that pleases me...Where do you start with it? I have seen many starter sets on Ebay and other internet stores but I have a few questions about it.
1. Have any of you used it?

Yes - both handlaid and "play street" sectional track
The product has been out a very long time. I think most people ge put off because they "think" it must be hard.
Quote:
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2. What are the downsides of it?

none really . except maybe the attention to correct battery use.
Visually the sudden stop (if you use this feature)
Also a number of "considerations" with track laying that get learnt from experience
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3. How does it charge?

As supplied - all vehicles have a socket into which you plug a 2.9V PS (supplied with starter sets).
MoWuLa devised a mechanism where the contacts were in the wing mirrors and could be charge as part of the running program by driving through a sort of "car wash".
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4. How long does a charge last?

The bigger the vehicle the bigger the battery. Note there are very few cars - most are vans/busses as they can acomodate a bigger battery.
Also the condition of the battery has an impact.
2hr to 4hs continuous running or a days worth of exhibition running if you are prudent with the duty cycle.
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5. Are there lights on the cars?

Not normally. even LEDs @ 20mA would severly shorten run time.
But it has been done
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6. Can the cars be self-made or kit bashed?

Most cars offered by Faller are modified brawa, herpa, wiking etc. The most important part is the steering/guide mechanism.
Personally I would not consider scratch building one, however bashing the body off the top of a faller chassis would be expected if the car you wanted is not in the range.

As for the track any "Steel" wire/rod will do, but here the cost from faller avoids inferior options.
Note: because of the steel aspect expect rust if you are abbrasive in your sanding and or use water. i.e. do not sand/scrape.


Additional.
almost since Day one Faller have been an unsung marketting aid for Maerklin. Very early on they offered the flat car inserts that fit into marklin wagons and allow for rollon rolloff. They also address the level crossing issue well with appropriate (3 rail) inserts.
- gearing will allow for pretty severe gradiants but this drastically shortens run time and differs significantly between vehicles. suggest keeping to a minimum
- AVOID bumps, especially on curves which will encorage mistracking
- plan track crossings as close to 90 degrees as possible, avoid M track (magnet sticks to metal) C is great. Have the road at the same level as the track on approach - avoid gradients/bumps
- with handlaying the wire pay attention to smoothness of lines, especially transitions into curves but even a straight will show up shaky hand to the observer.
Also the depth of the layed wire. The wire must be very close to the surface to avoid mistracking but not become exposed so as to allow the magnet to actually "grab hold". As with the above comment on encouraging rust, I would suggest fixing the wire in a grove and covering with "road coloured" paper or preferably plastic as the guide shoe does rub and wear a mark over time.
- WARNING - At exhibitions the system detracts from the trains on a layout with more questions about "how it works" than anything else

I would recommend a "Playstreet" starter set to get familiar with the product. We have chosen this for the clubs exhibition layout primarily because of reliability and better alignment at module joins (as well as time and patitence). Note: the width of the road is (prototypically) realistic but wider than most train models allow - but thats where scenicing comes in.

Faller also offer accessories
- point mechanisms for a choice of directions (we have a bus stop)
- stop mechanisms (Electromagnet that breaks the reed switch in the vehicle. NOTE: the playstreet range also offer a permanent magnet on a lever that achieves the same effect
- lights (for above at either rail cossing or intersection)
- delay mechanism (keep vehicles apart)



Peter
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#11 Posted : 14 April 2007 02:49:12(UTC)
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Bravo! Thank you clapcott, that was the explanation I was looking for. If I do decide to buy a starter set I will post a video and a short review of the items. Thanks again for all your help.
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#12 Posted : 14 April 2007 03:15:02(UTC)
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I bet you could modify old slot cars..all you would need is a battery and the magnetic steering guide. That could be a fun project...
Offline Ross  
#13 Posted : 14 April 2007 03:16:12(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by CCS800KrokHunter3
<br />Hello everyone,
I know this has been talked about before a little but I could not find a thread through my searches that pleases me...Where do you start with it? I have seen many starter sets on Ebay and other internet stores but I have a few questions about it.
1. Have any of you used it?
2. What are the downsides of it?
3. How does it charge?
4. How long does a charge last?
5. Are there lights on the cars?
6. Can the cars be self-made or kit bashed?

Thanks, any answers would be helpful...Thanks again for your replies.

Here is what I have found so far...


http://www.midlandred.info/faller.shtml




Bill, here is another link
http://home.no.net/hoved...ler_cars/faller_cars.htm

To answer some of your questions.
1. yes I use the Faller car system on my layout
2. small cars don't work very well because of the battery size
3. 7 hours for a normal charge at the stated battery manufactures charging rate.
4. truck and busses will run approx 4 hours, small vehicles 1 hour
5. some vehicles come standard with tail lights. lights should have an independent battery system to work well.
6. yes it depends on your skills.

I like the cars running on my layout as it adds another action item which adds interest.

Ross
Ross
Offline jonquinn  
#14 Posted : 14 April 2007 05:42:53(UTC)
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look for postings by Almagik - I think he describes how he used Faller car system in a module/diorama.

The are some amazing scenes showing what can be done with the faller car system on a DVD I have from european MRR tour set up by the people at Eisenbahn Trains in Michigan.
Offline littledragon  
#15 Posted : 15 April 2007 04:39:18(UTC)
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hmm albert wright's layout seem interesting

and looking at this thread too...hmm...I have to imagine one interesting thought could be a garbage truck stopping by several houses then heading back to an indoor (this was relastic for some areas in usa, and beside this could be where the battery charger would be located too) dumping faculity

hmm faller how about this thought? would require several stop sections on the streets :p
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#16 Posted : 15 April 2007 06:42:28(UTC)
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Yes, the possibiliteis are endless...I was thinking about a car driving up a steep hill to a house on the top of a hill. Then there could be a senser that triggers a servo that would open the garage door...the door would open / car drives in then there could be a secret "underground" road leading out of the garage? Make sense? I might give it a try? Thanks for the info guys!
Offline David Dewar  
#17 Posted : 15 April 2007 18:50:02(UTC)
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Wow you guys sure got some imagination. Must see the car going into the garage then an underground road. Sounds a bit like the Forum goods car.... will it ever happen... keep us up to date with progress.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#18 Posted : 15 April 2007 20:22:09(UTC)
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I will post when I start any progress...problem is I don't have a layout yet as I am a collector. I think I am going to make a sample layout to test the new "technologies". Like digital control and the car system and maybe a few cranes. Thanks.
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#19 Posted : 16 April 2007 05:47:55(UTC)
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Does anyone have or can find a video of the roll on/roll off for the loading platform. I have found lots of information but have not found a video of it in action....I already searched youtube! Thanks!
Offline bmcrae  
#20 Posted : 16 April 2007 17:37:23(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by CCS800KrokHunter3
<br />Does anyone have or can find a video of the roll on/roll off for the loading platform. I have found lots of information but have not found a video of it in action....I already searched youtube! Thanks!


Found it!!

This was a link provided by Timaximus........

https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5372

I showed it to my 4 year old nephew this last Christmas, now he bugs his daddy to watch it everyday!! Smile
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#21 Posted : 16 April 2007 19:48:14(UTC)
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Thank you for finding that! That video was absolutely amazing! It must be all automated, it would be impossible to control all that by hand. There also must be a computer that calls all of the trucks to get on the train. How do they change their course? Does the wire "underroad" move? That was amazing! Thanks again.
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