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bph		#51 Posted : 19 December 2025 22:59:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,302		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson So, a few months on, and just curious if there is any news in re which manufacturer has taken up the gauntlet...or is it every man for himself? I only ask because I am not in that "loop" I did find this but have no actual information beyond their site...and that is the fluid only. https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/ The Steam & Clean are good products, but I believe they have nothing to do with Seuthe. I believe it's made by novadur.de? https://www.novadur.de/produkte/outdoor-und-hobby/steam-clean-dampfdestillat The recent new smoke fluids from Märklin are the same "type" as the Steam & Clean, but probably made by different manufacturers. (as the datasheets are much the same but slightly different)


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Goofy		#52 Posted : 20 December 2025 11:51:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,381		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson So, a few months on, and just curious if there is any news in re which manufacturer has taken up the gauntlet...or is it every man for himself? I only ask because I am not in that "loop" I did find this but have no actual information beyond their site...and that is the fluid only. https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/ The Steam & Clean are good products, but I believe they have nothing to do with Seuthe. I believe it's made by novadur.de? https://www.novadur.de/produkte/outdoor-und-hobby/steam-clean-dampfdestillat The recent new smoke fluids from Märklin are the same "type" as the Steam & Clean, but probably made by different manufacturers. (as the datasheets are much the same but slightly different) It´s not same smoke fluid. Märklins and ESU are lesser poison of the smoke. The chemical subject are different from Seuthe.
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Copenhagen		#53 Posted : 20 December 2025 13:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 559 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		No criticism. But where can the information about what smoke fluid is more or less harmful (and in what ways they are more or less harmful) be found?

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Purellum		#54 Posted : 20 December 2025 23:04:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,542 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen But where can the information about what smoke fluid is more or less harmful (and in what ways they are more or less harmful) be found? Google Märklin / Seuthe: https://static.maerklin....69546b92d61521539730.pdf Steam and Clean / Novadur: https://matschke.org/pro..._Idee+Spiel_10251_DE.pdf Esu doesn't provide a MSDS I think it would be fair to say that you can forget Goofy's statement: "Märklins and ESU are lesser poison of the smoke." Per.
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Copenhagen		#55 Posted : 21 December 2025 00:19:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 559 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		...yes I checked the Novadur link already and also ESU (where nothing was shown, apart from the bottle with the label). I forgot to check Marklin/Seuthe though. I have the ESU smoke fluid and also some of the other types (Seuthe) and use them from time to time. Thanks for the followup

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Goofy		#56 Posted : 21 December 2025 10:12:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,381		Next step are when EU with green activism decides to banned smoke fluid for the health sake. No more "poison" fill up in the train room.
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jonas_sthlm		#57 Posted : 21 December 2025 11:30:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,100 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm		ESU should provide the SDS sheet for their product 51990 and publish it on the product page. requires pictogram H226 Flammable liquid and vapour. H317 May cause an allergic skin reaction. H304 May be fatal if swallowed and enters airways. H412 Harmful to aquatic life with long lasting effects. requires pictogram P210 Keep away from heat, hot surfaces, sparks, open flames and other ignition sources. No smoking. P241 Use explosion-proof [electrical/ventilating/lighting/…] equipment. P301 IF SWALLOWED: P310 Immediately call a POISON CENTER/doctor/… requires pictogram P405 Store locked up. P501 Dispose of contents/container to... A bit surprised that Märklin’s relatively new SDS sheet doesn’t include a UFI code for the poison center, especially when the product could be handled by kids without someone’s knowledge. Have they started using a glass bottle for their new product?
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Goofy		#58 Posted : 06 January 2026 14:11:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,381		Any news about Seuthe? In the Märklin shop there are still 7226 and 72270 to buy (so long stock shows).
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bph		#59 Posted : 08 February 2026 10:26:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,302		Visited the Seuthe website yesterday, and the closing down message was removed from their website. But otherwise, no further information. Perhaps someone has bought Seuthe?

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Jimmy Thompson		#60 Posted : 08 February 2026 11:40:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 916 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		I just sent an email to their "info@" address. I said "Welcome back!" We shall see. Oddly, or not, the copyright at the bottom still says "2022", but I am the last person who would know about that stuff (Archived site perhaps?) I would think they would shout from the roof-tops "We're Back!". Edit: I have a contact on another forum who has access to DrehScheibe-Online (DSO) German forum and there is nothing at all mentioned of reopening as of this morning 08 Feb 2026.
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mrmarklin		#61 Posted : 11 February 2026 19:54:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 972 Location: Burney, CA		Originally Posted by: bph Visited the Seuthe website yesterday, and the closing down message was removed from their website. But otherwise, no further information. Perhaps someone has bought Seuthe? I was just on the website, and everything seems to be working! Likely they were purchased.
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Goofy		#62 Posted : 20 February 2026 20:14:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,381		Yes it seems the company are still business. Could it be personal at the factory toke over business?
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Jimmy Thompson		#63 Posted : 20 February 2026 21:05:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 916 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		I would feel a whole lot more faith if there was a BOLD announcement on the Home Page, including who are the new owners. Something Like: "WE'RE BACK!" and "Here is our New Crew"... Also a more recent web site copyright date than 2022... but that is just me..."Doubting Jimmy" p. s. I have sent 2 e-mails (1 2 weeks ago) to "info ( at) seuthe-dampf" listed on the site, and have not received any response . Has anyone ordered anything or had their suppliers order anything through the "new(?)-now-no-longer-closed" web site? Are we absolutely sure that this current iteration is not an archived site? How do we really know? Edited by user 21 February 2026 13:10:50(UTC) \| Reason: Add Postscript
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Jimmy Thompson		#64 Posted : 21 February 2026 12:54:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 916 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		I am not sure who may have access to this information to help this poor luddite. However, I went to the "new?-now-not-closed" Seuthe web site and under "Impressum" at the very, very bottom of the page https://seuthe-dampf.de/impressum/ It is still listing Herr Helmut Zießler as the "Contact", which is confusing at best as the whole reason for the original announcement was his ultimate retirement and closing of the business by Dec 31, 2025. Now, 7 weeks in to 2026 the site still has him as primary contact. Has Herr Zießler not retired? Or are they (the new owners? whomever they may be) just a bit tardy in updating the site to reflect new ownership/contact from the legal paperwork angle? p. s. I have now also sent my questions to them via their "Kontakt" page. We shall see if that engenders a response of some sort
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Unholz		#65 Posted : 25 February 2026 08:19:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,456 Location: Switzerland		Sommerfeldt is continuing the Seuthe production:
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Bart		#66 Posted : 25 February 2026 08:46:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 690		Originally Posted by: Unholz Sommerfeldt is continuing the Seuthe production Great news! Long video - if I understand correctly, Sommerfeldt has taken over the company, and will have Herr Zießler and Seuthe coworkers continue the production. Sales has already started through the Sommerfledt website: https://www.sommerfeldt.de/de/
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Jimmy Thompson		#67 Posted : 25 February 2026 11:37:23(UTC) Retweet
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marklinist5999		#68 Posted : 25 February 2026 21:03:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 4,170 Location: Michigan, Troy		Good for Sommerfeldt! I guess the kids took over? They supply catenary and pantographs to Marklin, ESU, etc. They sell direct too.

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