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bph		#51 Posted : 19 December 2025 22:59:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,257		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson So, a few months on, and just curious if there is any news in re which manufacturer has taken up the gauntlet...or is it every man for himself? I only ask because I am not in that "loop" I did find this but have no actual information beyond their site...and that is the fluid only. https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/ The Steam & Clean are good products, but I believe they have nothing to do with Seuthe. I believe it's made by novadur.de? https://www.novadur.de/produkte/outdoor-und-hobby/steam-clean-dampfdestillat The recent new smoke fluids from Märklin are the same "type" as the Steam & Clean, but probably made by different manufacturers. (as the datasheets are much the same but slightly different)


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Goofy		#52 Posted : 20 December 2025 11:51:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,353		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson So, a few months on, and just curious if there is any news in re which manufacturer has taken up the gauntlet...or is it every man for himself? I only ask because I am not in that "loop" I did find this but have no actual information beyond their site...and that is the fluid only. https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/ The Steam & Clean are good products, but I believe they have nothing to do with Seuthe. I believe it's made by novadur.de? https://www.novadur.de/produkte/outdoor-und-hobby/steam-clean-dampfdestillat The recent new smoke fluids from Märklin are the same "type" as the Steam & Clean, but probably made by different manufacturers. (as the datasheets are much the same but slightly different) It´s not same smoke fluid. Märklins and ESU are lesser poison of the smoke. The chemical subject are different from Seuthe.
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Copenhagen		#53 Posted : 20 December 2025 13:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 546 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		No criticism. But where can the information about what smoke fluid is more or less harmful (and in what ways they are more or less harmful) be found?

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Purellum		#54 Posted : 20 December 2025 23:04:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,541 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Originally Posted by: Copenhagen But where can the information about what smoke fluid is more or less harmful (and in what ways they are more or less harmful) be found? Google Märklin / Seuthe: https://static.maerklin....69546b92d61521539730.pdf Steam and Clean / Novadur: https://matschke.org/pro..._Idee+Spiel_10251_DE.pdf Esu doesn't provide a MSDS I think it would be fair to say that you can forget Goofy's statement: "Märklins and ESU are lesser poison of the smoke." Per.
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Copenhagen		#55 Posted : 21 December 2025 00:19:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC) Posts: 546 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		...yes I checked the Novadur link already and also ESU (where nothing was shown, apart from the bottle with the label). I forgot to check Marklin/Seuthe though. I have the ESU smoke fluid and also some of the other types (Seuthe) and use them from time to time. Thanks for the followup


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