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Offline fje  
#1 Posted : 21 September 2025 19:53:10(UTC)
fje

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Hi, I got a new/old (second hand) CS2 60213 that gives me some troubles.

I am testing with it several Mfx locs in a couple of test tracks I built using M-tracks and C-tracks.

I should say that neither of both test tracks are pretty new (of course) and maybe not 100% clean, but when I use them with the same locs using an (also old) Intellibox I, I don't have any problem, except that the loc can stop due to a problem of current micro-cut due to dirty in the tracks or the "pukos", but nothing more.

CS2 60213 instead changes the loc direction or even switch on a loc function. It seems CS2 is much more sensible to a possible current micro-failure than the other (old) Intellibox.

I am afraid that when I would use it in one of (from time to time) built layouts it would give me many troubles because my tracks ar old and impossible to have them 100% clean.

So, is there any way to lower the CS2 sensitivity to those micro-cut of current in possible dirty tracks (or "pukos").

Thanks and kind regards.

Javier

P.S.: When I build a layout, I usually use a booster between the Control Station and the layout (mainly for protecting the Control Station), would it lower the sensibility micro-cut problems I find now?
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 21 September 2025 20:01:31(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: fje Go to Quoted Post
So, is there any way to lower the CS2 sensitivity to those micro-cut of current in possible dirty tracks (or "pukos").
Is it really a CS2 issue, i.e. does the CS2 show the change of direction and the activation of the function?
Maybe the sensitivity is with the decoders, depending on the protocol.
You can disable mfx in the CS2 and use MM and DCC as you do with the Intellibox to see if that makes a difference.

If the sensitivity is with the CS2 then a booster might help. A non-mfx booster will isolate the CS2 from the track and there should be no way of interference from dirt on the rails.

Regards
Tom
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Offline fje  
#3 Posted : 22 September 2025 08:11:33(UTC)
fje

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: fje Go to Quoted Post
So, is there any way to lower the CS2 sensitivity to those micro-cut of current in possible dirty tracks (or "pukos").
Is it really a CS2 issue, i.e. does the CS2 show the change of direction and the activation of the function?
Maybe the sensitivity is with the decoders, depending on the protocol.
You can disable mfx in the CS2 and use MM and DCC as you do with the Intellibox to see if that makes a difference.

If the sensitivity is with the CS2 then a booster might help. A non-mfx booster will isolate the CS2 from the track and there should be no way of interference from dirt on the rails.


Thanks. Yes, the change of direction and the activation of the function are seen in the CS2, so, it seems to be a problem of the CS2.

On the other hand, both decoders (37921 and 37886) seems to be Mfx-only decoders, but I will try your suggestion of test them using MM protocol in order to isolate the problem between the decoder/protocol and the CS2/protocol.

I will also try it putting my booster (It is a "Do it yourself" Märklin 6017-like)

But everything has to wait a couple of weeks, as I am not at home just now, so, no access to them.

Thanks again and best regards.

Javier

Edited by user 22 September 2025 22:51:09(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 22 September 2025 12:44:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: fje Go to Quoted Post


I will also try it putting my booster (It is a "Do it yourself" Märklin 60174-like)


Where did you get information to make one of these? I would appreciate a link if possible.

TIA
Offline fje  
#5 Posted : 22 September 2025 13:16:03(UTC)
fje

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


Where did you get information to make one of these? I would appreciate a link if possible.

TIA


I got it from another Spanish colleague, in fact I got it already built, but I feel I have all the documentation, the components, the electronic circuit and components and even the electronic board design, should you be interested in, I can contact my colleague (if still available) and ask for sending you information or selling you a board (is still available).

Regards

Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 22 September 2025 18:50:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


Where did you get information to make one of these? I would appreciate a link if possible.

TIA


I got it from another Spanish colleague, in fact I got it already built, but I feel I have all the documentation, the components, the electronic circuit and components and even the electronic board design, should you be interested in, I can contact my colleague (if still available) and ask for sending you information or selling you a board (is still available).

Regards



I would appreciate that if it is still available.
Thank you
Offline fje  
#7 Posted : 22 September 2025 21:50:11(UTC)
fje

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I will try to contact him and will let you know if any news.

In the meantime let me correct my previous post. It is not a 60174-like booster, but a 6017-like booster. It admits common-mass and DCC and Motorola protocols, don't sure about Mfx yet, in a couple of weeks I could confirm.

Rgds
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Offline fje  
#8 Posted : 24 September 2025 16:37:01(UTC)
fje

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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: fje Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post


Where did you get information to make one of these? I would appreciate a link if possible.

TIA


I got it from another Spanish colleague, in fact I got it already built, but I feel I have all the documentation, the components, the electronic circuit and components and even the electronic board design, should you be interested in, I can contact my colleague (if still available) and ask for sending you information or selling you a board (is still available).

Regards



I would appreciate that if it is still available.
Thank you



I am very sorry, but, after trying in different ways, I am not able to find a way to contact the one that developped it... it was 12 years ago. He used to have a blog and a user in Facebook, but both seems to be inactive since years, and people that shared the hobby with him don't have news of he since years too.

Regards
Offline JohnjeanB  
#9 Posted : 24 September 2025 21:11:11(UTC)
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Hi Javier
I had one 60213 and one 60214 and both went back to Märklin where the motherboard was replaced by a 60215 one and this was a real fix.
My experience is that the 60213 had serious design flaws around (1) the absence of galvanic separation and (2) the feed-back bus for S88 (6088 / 60880)

Back to your problem

The possible causes are (in decreasing probability):
- defective can bus receiving erratic order from another ghost equipemnt. You said you developped your own equipment (Booster) it must be connected either to the flat cable under the 60213 or to the CAN output
- noisy power supply (having high frequency superposed to the normal AC or DC). Are you using a transformer or a regulated DC power supply (e.g.60041 or 60101).
- defective touchscreen (I experienced this on my CS1 (60212) caused by a mechanical problem - the CS1 casing was touching the touch screen)

Have you tried the 60213 alone with a loco? Do you still have the same issues?

FYI today one of my 60215 work but with a dead programing track output and the second one fails to boot-up (the initial start image is displayed forever) and now I use a CS3 (60226) since 4 years and its fine.

Cheers
Jean

Offline fje  
#10 Posted : 25 September 2025 13:42:34(UTC)
fje

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Location: Madrid
Hi, Jean, thanks for your answer and suggestions. Let me answer you point by point.

You are right in the difference and problems of 60213 vs 60215, but I feel that the cost of sending my 60213 to Marklin and changing the mother board would cost me much more than a new (second hand) 60215 one. So, I am afraid I have to stay with the 60213 I got.

The test I did (and the problems I got) was connecting DIRECTLY the 60213 to the test track, no intermediate booster between them, so this answer your first possible cause and the question about the 60213 alone with the loc. Yes, this was my test. My next one will be (in a couple of weeks that we will be back at home) a test with the "6017 like" booster as intermediate.

Power supply I use is the one that comes with the 60213, I don't remember the Märklin id at this moment, and I am not at home, but it is the one for 60213, might be the 60065.

And, it is not a touchscreen problem, it comes without touching the screen.

Regards
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