Hello, good morning

Being a markliner, I am interested in HAG locomotives, which have a very good reputation, I have read that they usually carry one of two types of engines, one called 88 with ball bearings I think, and another 64, but I can not find information on which locomotive carries which engine, or how to distinguish them.
Also to digitalize one of these locomotives it would be necessary to change the coil stator for a permanent magnet, but I can not find any part number of these stators or if they are equivalent to any of marklin.
It seems that the HAG locomotives digitalized in factory, have ESU decoders but in the ESU web I can't find any information about the permanent magnet stators for these locomotives.
Any help, please?
Thanks in advance and best regards

Motor type 88 is used in new generation locomotives after 1988. The HAG permanent magnet for type 88 is 161216-90, difficult to find and very expensive (35 - 50 €).
I'm not aware of any ESU magnet suitable for HAG motors.
For old motors,once I found on ebay a German shop that modifies the field coil inserting a magnet, price in the 50 € range and you must ship the motor to them.

BTW, on ebay there is a used 161216-90 at a lower price but the picture shows a field coil and an electronic reversing unit.

Regards

As a Swiss HAG buyer since 1963, I'll try to help:

- There are not only two types of motors, but the older motor which is either called type 64 (or often type 66) is most common in HAG locos built approximately between 1966 and 1987.
- This motor was not (or not entirely) equipped with ball bearings. In models for AC operation it featured a coil stator, as you have correctly observed. It can be digitized with a HAG permanent magnet, but some knowledge and modifications are necessary.
- The motor type 88 has been used since 1988 until today. Digitization is not too difficult; the part number of the magnet has been mentioned above.
- An overview of most HAG motors can be accessed here. In German language, but an online translator such as "DeepL" should explain most questions: https://www.hag.swiss/wp...n-unterscheidet-man-.pdf
- There is a HAG forum on the Internet where I have been one of the administrators since 2005. (https://www.forum.hag-info.ch/) It is in German language, but postings in English are accepted and welcome especially when a DeepL translation is supplied. If you want to write something there but can't supply a translation yourself, I will do it for you.

- With regard to HAG's reputation: I have to repeat the following statement almost endlessly. The "real" and traditional HAG company operated between the years 1944 and 2012. Models produced during that period earned the genuine "Swiss Made" reputation. However, around 2012/2013, this famous company closed down, and the machinery and stocks were taken over by a new guy with new staff. The quality of the products delivered since 2013 has substantially changed. Not wishing to involve this precious forum in a Court action for defamation (the forum is being monitored by one of the few remaining followers of the current HAG company owner ), I can only invite you to VERY carefully investigate possible quality issues before attempting to purchase a model produced since 2013.

- There is also a HAG collectors' database on the Web which only includes "true" HAG HO models produced between 1954 and 2012. https://www.frunum.de/ If you don't find a specific model here, it is likely to have been manufactured since 2013.

Thank you very much for your quick answer

Best regards

Thank you very much

That's a good idea, thank you for you answer

Best regards

To all HAG enthusiasts: Here is an additional bit of general advice when you are for instance standing at a flea market and see a HAG box on a table. These are the most common box types in chronological order from old to new. The first three should usually contain a "traditional" HAG product from the good old days, whereas the fourth one signals "caution!".

Of course, this only applies as long as nobody switched boxes, for instance because the foam inlay had deteriorated:

Thank you very much, Stefan, this is also a very good and usefull information