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Offline mvd71  
#1 Posted : 11 August 2023 10:46:25(UTC)
mvd71

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Hi Guys, I’m looking for an exploded diagram of the TT800. If anyone has a copy it would be much appreciated if it could be posted on the forum.

Cheers…

Mike
Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 11 August 2023 18:26:12(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi Mike
Here is what I have. Sorry my scanner is not available
TT800P1.png
TT800P2.png
It is a reprint of a Märklin technical sheet for shops.
Cheers
Jean
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Offline mvd71  
#3 Posted : 11 August 2023 23:04:03(UTC)
mvd71

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Thanks Jean, much appreciated.

Any chance someone can provide a photo showing the light change over switch behind the reversing unit. Mine is missing a few bits and I need to figure out what i am missing.

Cheers….

Mike
Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 12 August 2023 00:26:48(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: mvd71 Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Jean, much appreciated.

Any chance someone can provide a photo showing the light change over switch behind the reversing unit. Mine is missing a few bits and I need to figure out what i am missing.

Cheers….

Mike


I'll try and dig out my copy of the same document tomorrow, and see if I can do a better scan.

Offline JohnjeanB  
#5 Posted : 12 August 2023 02:16:04(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi
The early TT800 had a schleppkontakt (trailing contact) to switch on either front or rear lights. Later TT800 had no trailing contact. Instead, lights were connected to each of the inductor coils.
I don't have a picture of a TT800 Schleppkontakt but I have one on my DL800 from 1951. Here it is
Sans titre.png
Principle on a rotating axle, a spring and clutch force a contacting lever to turn in one direction or the other.

This was later replaced by a cheaper system connection the headlights to one of the inductor windings (usually wired at the Perfekt reversing unit).
Cheers
Jean
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Offline hennabm  
#6 Posted : 12 August 2023 09:52:50(UTC)
hennabm

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The CCS 800 also had the same type of trailing contact.
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#7 Posted : 12 August 2023 13:57:25(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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All high end locos during 1945-1951 had this trailing switch: CCS800, DL800, ST800, TP800, TT800, RE800, MS800, DT800
All this was replaced around 1951-1952 by using the direction relay to also power the lights.
In one direction, the relay would connect one of the induction coils to the frame thus turning off the corresponding headlights while the other headlights were connected to the studs (B) through the motor and the other induction coils.

So the results were a slighly adverse current in the inductor, reducing a little its magnetic field and providing headlights with a slightly reduced voltage
This is why Märklin did not fitted this light reversing system to smaller motors (SFCMs) both for economy and adverse effects on magnetic field.
Cheers
Jean
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Offline TrainIride  
#8 Posted : 12 August 2023 14:22:01(UTC)
TrainIride

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
All high end locos during 1945-1951 had this trailing switch: CCS800, DL800, ST800, TP800, TT800, RE800, MS800, DT800
All this was replaced around 1951-1952 by using the direction relay to also power the lights.
In one direction, the relay would connect one of the induction coils to the frame thus turning off the corresponding headlights while the other headlights were connected to the studs (B) through the motor and the other induction coils.

So the results were a slighly adverse current in the inductor, reducing a little its magnetic field and providing headlights with a slightly reduced voltage
This is why Märklin did not fitted this light reversing system to smaller motors (SFCMs) both for economy and adverse effects on magnetic field.
Cheers
Jean


Hi,
just to illustrate what was saying Jean, here is the wiring :

4_connect_lights.jpg

Best Regards
Joël
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