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Joined: 05/06/2022(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Quebec, Montreal
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I recently used a track cleaning fluid on my Marklin C-track layout. While the Marklin ICE2 runs perfectly, the steam locomotive, a type 01 by Marklin is literally slipping. I realized that the track was very slightly slippery but that the cleaner has dried now. I had used a cleaning car (blue mini freight car by Marklin, with pads on bottom).
But the passenger car set 43917, is actually making slight squeaking or metal turning sounds which they didn't use to. I also notice that the passenger cars take more effort to push by hand. I figure to first clean the axles of dust and cat hair. But I think a light, probably synthetic lubricant, would also be useful to have on hand. I don't have any lubricants yet, you see, so this is a good time to acquire at least one light lubricant for axles.
What do you recommend? Marklin has this very vague "oil for locomotives and cars" but it has no details whatsoever as to if its even real or synthetic oil. It looks like Labelle has a large range of lubricants.
Let me know if you can.
Thanks and I hope everyone is doing well.
Can
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hello Can,
We don't know what the Märklin oil is made from but as a manufacturer I trust them on this. It works well for me. In fact I am surprized at how long the little applicator bottle works. My bottle of oil has been used on 100's of articles and I have purchased only 2 in 18 years of running Märklin trains.
Kimball |
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 679 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth
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Not sure what you used to clean the tracks but nothing should leave a residue on the surface. I have used isopropyl alcohol which evaporates immediately. As for lubricant, an light oil will do but the Marklin one is excellent. You need to use very, very little. Just the tiniest drop from the fine needle in the slight depression the axle sets in. I have even read that the best way is to remove the wheel set and dip the two ends into oil. But that seems to be more of a pain than practicable. I have always felt that the best lubricant would be graphite. I have used it while building small cars used in something the Cub Scouts run called "Pinewood Derby" but am concerned about the graphite which is a conductor getting on the rails.
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Cat hair ? looks to me like a big problem, not so much for your passenger cars but for your locos
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Joined: 25/01/2020(UTC) Posts: 207 Location: istanbul
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Can Merhaba,
I've been using Faller oil for loco and car axles; it's just great. Fleischmann oil is very good also.
Cem.
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,565 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Can Originally Posted by: Pronto5  But the passenger car set 43917, is actually making slight squeaking or metal turning sounds which they didn't use to. I also notice that the passenger cars take more effort to push by hand. I figure to first clean the axles of dust and cat hair. But I think a light, probably synthetic lubricant, would also be useful to have on hand. I don't have any lubricants yet, you see, so this is a good time to acquire at least one light lubricant for axles.
Very often the squeaking is coming from contact springs (ground return) in this case a mini drop of Märklin oil is good I use a serynge. The same apply to the axle top of wheel sets when purchasing a car (recommended by Märklin). Cheers Jean |
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Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,914 Location: Michigan, Troy
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I don't mind a tiny squeak. I've been using a light silicone oil and it lasts longer. Very sparingly use it.
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Joined: 05/06/2022(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Quebec, Montreal
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Originally Posted by: river6109  Cat hair ? looks to me like a big problem, not so much for your passenger cars but for your locos
John I have a setup on a wooden floor, not on a table unfortunately. But I make sure the equipment is as clean as possible. I have one cat but she is well-behaved; unfortunately, she is shedding a lot since about the last 6 months, being over 20 years old and a Siamese (who live longest from what I hear). So it is a problem but mainly of stuff wrapping around the wheels, which takes time to remove. So I use tweezers and also cleaning cars (Marklin's own), and vacuum the tracks.
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Joined: 05/06/2022(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Quebec, Montreal
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB  Hi Can Originally Posted by: Pronto5  But the passenger car set 43917, is actually making slight squeaking or metal turning sounds which they didn't use to. I also notice that the passenger cars take more effort to push by hand. I figure to first clean the axles of dust and cat hair. But I think a light, probably synthetic lubricant, would also be useful to have on hand. I don't have any lubricants yet, you see, so this is a good time to acquire at least one light lubricant for axles.
The same apply to the axle top of wheel sets when purchasing a car (recommended by Märklin). Where is the "axle top" exactly? I am unsure since axle's are horizontal metal bars basically.
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Joined: 05/06/2022(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Quebec, Montreal
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Originally Posted by: rhfil  Not sure what you used to clean the tracks but nothing should leave a residue on the surface. Actually, it is a track cleaner, clear, but it dried quickly. So there is no residue now. The problem I noticed also is, that my steam locomotive by Marklin has its drive wheels slipping in certain areas of the track (spinning in place while moving forward at much less than its typical speed). It never did this before. It seems to be struggling to pull the same 5 passenger cars which it pulled effortlessly when first acquired last May. I will try to clean the car axles and also clean the loco wheels to see if that makes any difference.
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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,565 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Can Originally Posted by: Pronto5  Where is the "axle top" exactly? I am unsure since axle's are horizontal metal bars basically. Sorry, I meant on recent Märklin wagons, the wheelsets are mounted on a steel bar with conical extremities. So a tiny drop of oil on the cone top before first use. Of course I was not speaking about older Märklin bearing ("Blunt axles" before 1950 and needle head axles after that) which require periodic lubrication. Regarding oily residue on track, they may come from multiple sources - the track cleaning using smoke fluid / SR24 and many others may leave an oily residue which ruins traction tires and collect dust on rails - excess lubrication of axles. Many use excessive amounts of oil which leads to poor ground contact on locos and contamination of rails. Except M rails, no oil should be there Cheers Jean |
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,803 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Originally Posted by: Pronto5  It seems to be struggling to pull the same 5 passenger cars which it pulled effortlessly when first acquired last May. I will try to clean the car axles and also clean the loco wheels to see if that makes any difference. I had this happen to me with a loco immediately after oiling it. It had never slipped at all and now it would sit in place and spin its drive wheels. I was careful doing the lube and I only ever use small amounts of oil, but I somehow I got marklin oil on my traction tires. I dry wiped the track to remove any residue left from running this loco after lubing it. Next I cleaned the traction tires with isopropyl alcohol several times and the problem went away. That may not be your problem but it shows how easily oil can take your traction away. Good luck |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Joined: 22/07/2022(UTC) Posts: 62 Location: New South Wales, Sydney
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I've never used Märklin/Faller oil. I use Singer sewing machine oil since I had my first train set ~1985. Never had a problem - this is in Z scale. Works out cheaper, 100ml for ~AUD5, use it on my bike chain also  Just make sure you use a low viscosity oil - it should flow like water. Wet a toothpick so it has a tiny bead, then apply to gears/axles. You don't need much. 
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,482 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: Manga  Wet a toothpick so it has a tiny bead, then apply to gears/axles. You don't need much.
I like to use a pin or needle, the very fine tip will drip most of the oil back into the bottle and leave a thin film that will gravitate to the tiniest of droplets which are just right for oiling small trains.
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,803 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan  I like to use a pin or needle, the very fine tip will drip most of the oil back into the bottle and leave a thin film that will gravitate to the tiniest of droplets which are just right for oiling small trains.
I use a small needle applicator designed for oiling mechanical clockworks. It allows me to apply very small amounts of oil and avoid the problems of over oiling many of us have experienced. When you put too much oil on a clock bearing it runs down the plate and draws oil out of the bearing, which is no doubt true for MRR equipment also. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Joined: 25/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 117 Location: phoenix
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So have found that Marklin oil overtime, if the rolling stock is not used,congeals and hardens. A much better option suggested by the very knowledgeable The 3rd Rail, is German Ballistol oil, developed for their Russian campaign. I use a syringe to apply it and so far have been impressed with it. https://youtube.com/@The3rdRail. Very informative site for all levels, urge you to subscribe? 
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Joined: 05/07/2020(UTC) Posts: 326 Location: Mississippi, Vancleave
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Originally Posted by: Pronto5  I recently used a track cleaning fluid on my Marklin C-track layout. While the Marklin ICE2 runs perfectly, the steam locomotive, a type 01 by Marklin is literally slipping. I realized that the track was very slightly slippery but that the cleaner has dried now. I had used a cleaning car (blue mini freight car by Marklin, with pads on bottom).
But the passenger car set 43917, is actually making slight squeaking or metal turning sounds which they didn't use to. I also notice that the passenger cars take more effort to push by hand. I figure to first clean the axles of dust and cat hair. But I think a light, probably synthetic lubricant, would also be useful to have on hand. I don't have any lubricants yet, you see, so this is a good time to acquire at least one light lubricant for axles.
What do you recommend? Marklin has this very vague "oil for locomotives and cars" but it has no details whatsoever as to if its even real or synthetic oil. It looks like Labelle has a large range of lubricants.
Let me know if you can.
Thanks and I hope everyone is doing well.
Can Any light machine oil will work such as sewing machine oil, gun oil, (precision tool oil (Starett)), (turbine oil (see appliance repair shop)).
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,446 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: joyofmarklin  So have found that Marklin oil overtime, if the rolling stock is not used,congeals and hardens. At least Märklin oil from the '90s hardens. Märklin oil from the '70s never hardened for me. I started using Fleischmann oil in 2003 and so far cannot complain. Fleischmann bottle is much like the old Märklin oiler with the needle I had in the '70s. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 27/07/2017(UTC) Posts: 36 Location: Northern Territory, Australia
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Quote:(turbine oil (see appliance repair shop)) How much would you like?  Seriously however, I would not use Jet engine turbine oil in my trains. Although it is thin, it attacks certain rubbers and plastics as well as stains. O rings and other "rubber" components in jet engines are a special material. Karl
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Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,803 Location: Crozet, Virginia
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Lubrication specs are often more about additives and hardware compatibility than the actual Lubrication properties.
So I usually find it easier to use what the manufacturer specced and save more time to enjoy my trains.
The quantities and costs are really quite small compared to the cost of nice models these days. |
Regards,
Jim
I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time. |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,446 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj  So I usually find it easier to use what the manufacturer specced and save more time to enjoy my trains. Yep. But many users are burnt children because the Märklin oil of the '90s hardens often. One German dealer called it "motor glue" ("Motorkleber" in German) and refused to sell it. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,278
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This is what i use for my models and they are great lubrication!  |
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