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 Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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I need help identifying this. I believe it is an early Marklin 1 Gauge. It’s been put away for a very long time. It was a late uncle’s. I know I’ve seen it run….long ago….but can’t remember much about it. I’d like any and all info possible on it. What is it exactly? Gauge, model number, age, how it works, what is it missing, what does it need to get it to run, value, Where to get the things it’s missing….etc. I thought he said it was a Marklin and it was from Germany. I believe he said it was pretty old and kind of valuable. I would really appreciate any info on it. Thank you all in advance!   
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 1 user liked this useful post by pdpdude
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 Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,478 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: pdpdude 
I thought he said it was a Marklin and it was from Germany. I believe he said it was pretty old and kind of valuable. I would really appreciate any info on it. Thank you all in advance!
The imprint on the firebox door of the loco in the last photo definitely looks like the Marklin trademark symbol from long ago when this loco would have been made. Beyond that I can't help much, but there are others here who know considerably more about the older items than I do. But there are some more things you can tell us about it, like what is the distance (in millimeters preferably) between the outside of the flanges on the wheels (i.e. what gauge track it would run on). Second, this loco would have had a tender, do you have that, or any other wagons to go with it? It does look to be in good condition, so definitely potentially valuable, but without the tender the value will be considerably reduced from what it could be worth.
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Hi and thanks for helping me out!
I do not have anything else but what you see. I believe it’s around 38-39 mm across the wheels.
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Pics of me trying to measure across the wheels.  
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 Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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This was one of the early Märklin logos. This was used by Gebrüder Märklin (Brothers Märklin) or GM which can be seen entwined in the image. With acknowledgment to www.sammler-sammler.de [img]https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.zg0OAfS4-wTZtAqmM8MjhgHaHF&w=231&h=222&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&o=6&pid=3.1&rm=2[/img] At a guess I would put this model at 1890 -1910. Kimball Edited by moderator 26 October 2022 06:39:41(UTC)
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HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Wow…then it is pretty darn old….That is pretty cool! I thank you very much for helping me with info!
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,478 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: pdpdude Hi and thanks for helping me out!
I do not have anything else but what you see. I believe it’s around 38-39 mm across the wheels.
I'm thinking that would make it an O gauge then, rather than 1 gauge which would be 45mm across the wheels.
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 Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,563 Location: Paris, France
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Hi PDPDude I am puzzled with your wheel measurements. The Märklin definition of gauges in mm (distance between rails) are: - O gauge distance between rails = 32 mm - 1 gauge distance between rails = 45 mm - 2 gauge distance between rails = 54 mm Note: In those days, the distance was measured between centers of the mushroom rail (a little bigger) So your measurement seems to be between O Gauge and 1 Gauge Looking into various catalogues I have, the closest model I found was in the 1912 Märklin Bros &Cie catalogue for the French market. It seems from your pictures, the loco is a clockwork one. Is this true? The closest loco in 1 scale, clockwork in the French Märklin catalog for 1912 is the B 1031 sold in France for 12,90 Francs (see below top left corner)  Agreed the cabin is slightly different, the chimney seems missing a part and the coupling rod is also missing. So your loco may be slightly earlier than 1912 and in those years there were variations because these were somewhere between artwork and industrial products Note: the Märklin logo (Gebrüder Märklin & Cie) on the 1912 catalog is identical to the one you have on the steam door. In my opinion, the loco is certainly not a later than 1912 model but an earlier one and the cabin look like one for the German market On the 1928 catalogue, the logo is similar but the "C" of Cie is not in the center but to the left. That is all I could find in my documentation. Jean |
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Hello…and thank you for your help. I think it is a steam engine and NOT a clockwork. 
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Joined: 01/03/2016(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Colorado
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Hello
That was the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the picture in the first post. I’m not an expert on older Marklin engines but I googled “Marklin live steam engine” and found several pictures that look similar to the engine you have. Hope this helps.
Robert
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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It's too early... Ask me again in a few hours
MC
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,478 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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I was worried that it wasn’t getting seen all that much in the category I first posted it. I was hoping for more input on I.d. Model number, era, value, etc. I am hoping to sell it….but it’s hard to when I don’t know exactly what it is. I did not mean to offend anyone by posting it again in a “General” category. I do thank you for your help though.
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hello pdpdude
I have sent you a private message.
You can access the message by clicking the My Inbox tab third line down in the main forum heading.
Kimball |
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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 Joined: 04/08/2015(UTC) Posts: 74 Location: Stockholms Lan, Stockholm
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Anyway, irs a live steam locomotive, running with real steam.
Henrik
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 Joined: 08/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 65 Location: Western Cape, South Africa
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Hi, judging from the "Positive" comments you have received thus far you may have to re-post or re-request a THIRD time. In any case I wish I could just guide you to understand what gauge that loko is. Further more the meaning and origin of the front cover emblem on the boiler.
I hope you manage, you may even have to try the "Antique" world.
Keep us posted, using a "PROGRESS REPORT "
Thanks,
HANNES.
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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The logo on the front of the boiler is for Marklin & Cie. (I have been told)
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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I have it listed on eBay now. We will see. Sometimes folks on there know about stuff and like to tell you about it….so maybe I will know more about it here soon.
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Joined: 08/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 65 Location: Western Cape, South Africa
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Hi, I will be "POSITIVE"
The Loco is a Marklin 4001 running on methylated spirits.
From the era 1910.
Value E 200
I Hope this will solve your problem.
Thanks,
HANNES
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 Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,998 Location: Paremata, Wellington
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Originally Posted by: Hannes Porsche Hi, I will be "POSITIVE"
The Loco is a Marklin 4001 running on methylated spirits.
From the era 1910.
Value E 200
I Hope this will solve your problem.
Thanks,
HANNES
I agree, but available from at least 1904.... 4001 = Gauge I (48 mm) 4002 = G II (54 mm)   Hope this helps.... Steve |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Merged both threads.
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Joined: 25/10/2022(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: New Mexico, Las Cruces
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Originally Posted by: Hannes Porsche Hi, I will be "POSITIVE"
The Loco is a Marklin 4001 running on methylated spirits.
From the era 1910.
Value E 200
I Hope this will solve your problem.
Thanks,
HANNES
Well….the 4001 models that I have seen that have sold…sold for way more than $200….AND THEY definitely were a bit different. They didn’t have the logo on the front or the hitch thing. Definitely didn’t have the paint details that this one has. I don’t know…but it is similar.
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