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Offline boitpo  
#1 Posted : 16 July 2016 21:19:43(UTC)
boitpo

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I am new to the hobby and have been looking at all the track plans people post with amazement of the ideas people have. I will use c track with MS2 control. Will run early steam and diesel no electric's.
I have an area for a small layout in a U shape around the wall? 197cm south wall,315cm west wall,110cm north wall. I would like a shutting yard station area , sidings with industry that can feed one another, for example coal mine to factory's. A small village? Maybe a Wharf could be canal feed or coastal bringing frieght in taking products out. Ambitious I Know but have had this idea for a long time. Please help
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Offline DB Fan  
#2 Posted : 16 July 2016 21:43:43(UTC)
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Wow. If my math is correct then you have a room 31.5m x 19.7m x 11m. What a layout I could buildBigGrin Love . I'm sure you meant 3.15m x 1.97m x 1.1m. BigGrin still a pretty good size for a layout. I'm in the same stage and in search for a layout plan. This is a great forum with a lot of knowledgeable and great members.

Robert
Offline boitpo  
#3 Posted : 16 July 2016 21:46:49(UTC)
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Opps. Yes you are correct 1.97m x3.15m x 1.1m. Base Board 1.scarm (1kb) downloaded 150 time(s). This is One Idea For A Baseboard.
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#4 Posted : 16 July 2016 22:37:25(UTC)
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Sorry, but I don't see the problem. In my world there is still 100cm on a meter, unless it has changed recently Cool . Cent, as in centimeter means 100 and in this case 1/100.

Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

/Peder
Offline boitpo  
#5 Posted : 16 July 2016 22:59:02(UTC)
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I had the dimensions at 1970cm x 3150cm x 1100cm. I have corrected this now
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#6 Posted : 24 July 2016 07:43:16(UTC)
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Have been playing with scarm Base Board 2.scarm (8kb) downloaded 102 time(s). I want two reverse loops ,like a dog bone conecting to a station and yard area. But have a bit of distance or open running between.Slow going
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Offline boitpo  
#7 Posted : 03 August 2016 23:51:35(UTC)
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I have got this far now with my track plan. Base Board 1 BACKUP.bmp (18,607kb) downloaded 80 time(s).It gives me two stations with the option of running behind them to give the impression of a long dog bone. I still have to work on heights and elevations and some sidings for factorys. How do I upload the track plan directly to the forum so people don't have to download to veiw please. Regards Stephen.
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Offline BrandonVA  
#8 Posted : 04 August 2016 05:21:10(UTC)
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Stephen,

To have the images viewable in the thread, the file size needs to be quiet a bit smaller. If there is an option to export as a jpg/jpeg that will help a lot. I have resized it here for discussion.

baseboardbackup_resize.jpg

I think it's a very nice first attempt. Is the dog bone elevated or hidden like a shadow station?

I will attempt to fill in for Ak, (in a greatly diminished capacity). I think the turnout circled in red should be flipped. Removes the S curve and also makes the passing lane slightly longer:

baseboardbackup_resize.jpg

-Brandon
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Offline boitpo  
#9 Posted : 04 August 2016 05:47:01(UTC)
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Thanks Brandon, I was thinking of having one reverse loop hidden, and the other one above it semi exposed. still have a bit more to do on the plan. Regards Stephen.This is another plan using my existing M track, all new old stock, most in original boxes. The only thing that worries me is reliability running digital on it(shorting and modern loccos and rolling stock).I still like the look of M Track. With control boxes to switch the turnouts it is a lot cheaper to do.Regards Stephen BoivinM&C Track Layout.jpg
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Offline BrandonVA  
#10 Posted : 04 August 2016 21:49:21(UTC)
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Stephen,

What kind of operations do you want to do on your layout? Do you like to just watch the trains run, do shunting, super prototypical operation, etc? Do you have a style preference, like a classic Marklin layout or a more scenic setup, etc?

With the 2nd plan I would try to reverse the turnouts wherever they make an S, it will look better with the trains running through it and increase the lenght of the passing siding. Sometimes it looks better if all the tracks aren't parallel with the edge of the layout, but for classic style layouts this works very well.

I liked your first design, reminded me of my layout :)

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-Brandon

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Offline boitpo  
#11 Posted : 06 August 2016 01:33:27(UTC)
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I'm just starting out. Will build base board and have a play with the track that I have and see what I can make fit. The M-C Layout is what I will Start With to keep the buget down and Build from here. I also have 12 5200 Curves as well. I won't plan scenery yet as Ideas will change no doubt. Base board dimensions are fixed as this is the room I have available. It's a resonable size. As For the era I like Steam and early Diesel.
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Offline boitpo  
#12 Posted : 15 December 2016 10:42:04(UTC)
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WP_20161215_21_19_28_Pro.jpg I have built a temporary base board to try some ideas on. Regards Stephen
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#13 Posted : 15 December 2016 11:14:07(UTC)
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I can't get the photo the right way up. Regards Stephen
Offline Shamu  
#14 Posted : 15 December 2016 12:32:19(UTC)
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Flip.jpg
Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
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Offline hwestl  
#15 Posted : 15 December 2016 14:45:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shamu Go to Quoted Post
welcome to the joys of Marklin down under


Not sure why you turned Stephens picture. Wasn't it absolutely perfect from the beginning??
LOL

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#16 Posted : 15 December 2016 17:11:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: boitpo Go to Quoted Post
M&C Track Layout.jpg


see this tip http://cabin-layout.blog...n-siding-design-tip.html
for an improvement on the left of this image where the track comes out of the tunnel into the station

Dale
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My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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#17 Posted : 20 December 2016 19:44:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: boitpo Go to Quoted Post
I can't get the photo the right way up. Regards Stephen

Quite understandable, from the forum server location perspective in the Northern hemisphere - all Southern hemisphere layouts look like this... Wink BigGrin

Thanks for posting the evidence for what it really is like, us "northerners" have thought this all the time... ThumpUp
Just joking of course. Smile
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
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Offline boitpo  
#18 Posted : 21 December 2016 06:19:31(UTC)
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WP_20161219_17_16_04_Pro.jpgWP_20161215_21_19_28_Pro.jpgWP_20161219_17_15_52_Pro.jpgWP_20161219_17_16_34_Pro.jpgWP_20161219_17_15_40_Pro.jpgWP_20161219_17_16_26_Pro.jpg Some more pics. Different design this time. I'm glad the photos are the right way up for the northern hemisphere. After a few whiskeys they look good down here as well. Regards Stephen
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Offline boitpo  
#19 Posted : 18 June 2019 06:50:31(UTC)
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Time for an update20190608_085158.jpg20190608_085132.jpg20190608_085309.jpg20190608_085119.jpg
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#20 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:12:04(UTC)
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Since available space is expanding after your baseboard started growing wings, how about taking it to the second level - see attached?
oval2019dogbone-alternatives.png
Alternatively, stub tracks could remain grounded with high lines flying above the former.

These are only schematic drawings. The basic idea is - exploiting the full potential of the enlarged baseboard - to reserve one level for a full uninhibited "butterfly-shaped race course" along the ledges.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#21 Posted : 18 June 2019 13:54:09(UTC)
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The Central Midland track plan by the late John Armstrong comes to my mind, too.
:o)

Central%20Midland%20track%20plan.jpg
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Offline rbw993  
#22 Posted : 18 June 2019 17:27:38(UTC)
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From the Atlas track planning book. This was my dream layout when I was a kid.
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Offline boitpo  
#23 Posted : 19 June 2019 10:04:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Since available space is expanding after your baseboard started growing wings, how about taking it to the second level - see attached?
oval2019dogbone-alternatives.png
Alternatively, stub tracks could remain grounded with high lines flying above the former.

These are only schematic drawings. The basic idea is - exploiting the full potential of the enlarged baseboard - to reserve one level for a full uninhibited "butterfly-shaped race course" along the ledges.


Yes I agree the only way is up. But I like to change the design of the tracks and try new ideas. I'm trying to work out a way of doing elevations but not making them permanent. So they can be chaged easily when I get bored with the current or future plan, with the same ease as changing the track design.
The flexibility of change is why I choose C track
Regards Stephen
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#24 Posted : 19 June 2019 10:44:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: boitpo Go to Quoted Post
I'm trying to work out a way of doing elevations but not making them permanent. So they can be chaged easily when I get bored with the current or future plan, with the same ease as changing the track design.


NOCH offers ramps made of flexible foam to be bent into shape according to the course of the track to be carried. They exist for 4%, 6%, 7% and 8% gradients. 4% is borderline, and all the others are too steep for my taste. Example:

https://shop.noch.com/pr...-cm-9-cm-high-99359.html

I had two of them on my first C track layout in 2003. Since they supported two tight R1 radius curves (I was still young, and they were much cheaper back then...), I had to glue them down with white wood glue in order to remain in place. A MRR dealer once warned me that the foam might crumble away after some time, but during their limited service period in my realm they behaved well, even after "un-gluing" them from their initial positions.

Originally Posted by: boitpo Go to Quoted Post
The flexibility of change is why I choose C track

:o)
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#25 Posted : 19 June 2019 22:46:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post

NOCH offers ramps made of flexible foam to be bent into shape according to the course of the track to be carried. They exist for 4%, 6%, 7% and 8% gradients. 4% is borderline, and all the others are too steep for my taste. Example:


Woodland Scenics also make flexible polystyrene ramps, but in shallower inclines. I think these may also be available through Noch.



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Offline Alsterstreek  
#26 Posted : 05 March 2020 09:10:47(UTC)
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I just noticed again the Metcalfe card kits on your layout. I like them a lot, and I am still using one of the 00 scale low relief buildings.
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#27 Posted : 06 March 2020 04:32:32(UTC)
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I just noticed again the Metcalfe card kits on your layout. I like them a lot, and I am still using one of the 00 scale low relief buildings.


Thanks. We have also recently moved house, so trains etc are all packed away in boxes. Winter will be here soon so planning next layout will commence once all settled in.
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Offline boitpo  
#28 Posted : 24 March 2020 06:40:23(UTC)
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Planning new layout now. Will commence soon. Will be similar to the last one with no permanent scenery. Base board to start with will be 4.4m long and 1.2 wide. Like the idea of a dog bone with a few passing lanes. Have heaps of R1 and R2. Single level at this stage. Any feed back ,comments ,ideas welcome
Regards Stephen
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#29 Posted : 24 March 2020 07:52:47(UTC)
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That sounds promising. From how many sides can you access the rectangle?
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Offline boitpo  
#30 Posted : 25 March 2020 19:26:12(UTC)
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Having a re think. Might go back to an L shape but same square meters to fit in another space. Still keen on a dog bone arrangement. Will post base board dimensions once worked out.
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#31 Posted : 25 March 2020 21:17:57(UTC)
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This could be an interesting lay out with a few curves20200326_090138.jpg
Would like a straight station as long as i can, with a freight yard straight and long like the station. The main freight yard and station could be next to one another, but facing different directions. With a further smaller yard branched off a single line main line dog bone 3 other smaller sidings at least 1.2 metres long. Any ideas welcome
Regards Stephen
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#32 Posted : 26 March 2020 22:15:21(UTC)
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Spare Room Base Board 1.scarm (13kb) downloaded 11 time(s).
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Offline boitpo  
#33 Posted : 26 March 2020 22:41:55(UTC)
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#34 Posted : 27 March 2020 19:11:39(UTC)
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Spare Room Base Board 1.scarm (131kb) downloaded 10 time(s).20200328_071317.jpg]
Had to use timber available. Came up with this. Can access 3 sides. Longest can't access but can reach from sides. Perimeter timber to protect train's and attachment points for further levels. Limited space i know. But i like a challenge.
Dimensions are 1955mm along wall,2700 along window, 1220along wall(grey), 1760 behind couch630 along couch arm then a 45 degree angle with 786 to finish.
Regards Stephen
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#35 Posted : 27 March 2020 20:11:26(UTC)
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Cool. And you know my understanding of “limited space”: This ain’t small in my opinion. I like the Leopard sofa, too.
Given lateral access: Could a central scenic divider be used? That would magically double the “perceived” layout space.
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Offline boitpo  
#36 Posted : 27 March 2020 20:38:02(UTC)
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Thanks I will try to make you proud and follow your teachings. Scenic diveders a good idea. Have a few ideas for multi level. Funny enough i have a heap or r1 and r2 curves. Still want long straights for long passenger trains but will use helixs etc. Don't mind if it looks like spaghetti.
Getting supplies is hard at the moment. Will use what i have. Will work on helix one level up to 100mm in workshop and then redesign. Will lay current track plan today and populate with trains. Six months is too long to have these beauties packed away. Time for some play time. Yippee
Regards Stephen
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Offline boitpo  
#37 Posted : 28 March 2020 04:54:29(UTC)
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20200328_165151.jpg
Tracks laid. A of of room for improvement on this design. Will run some trains and get some inspiration
Regards Stephen
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#38 Posted : 28 March 2020 12:38:37(UTC)
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I would be tempted to try out how a not too tall double-faced scenic divider would look here - see red marking.
6DA2FAE9-9A7C-4596-9EEF-0CB10DAF9CA9.jpeg
Maybe adorned with urban flats?
D4C256DD-FEE8-42B3-9937-4DC868B76363.jpeg
The one I used for above demonstration can be downloaded free of charge:
http://www.gatewaynmra.o...odel-railroad-downloads/
I had it printed on DIN/A3 paper.

For my current layout I glued building flats prints on 1 mm cardboard to make them stand upright (leaning against the backdrop).

Alternatively, a free high resolution wallpaper for a landscape backdrop:
https://images8.alphacoders.com/419/419522.jpg
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Offline boitpo  
#39 Posted : 28 March 2020 18:23:38(UTC)
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Yes good idea. No access to a color printer at the moment.
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#40 Posted : 29 March 2020 07:59:58(UTC)
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More changes. Its coming along slowly. Still more changes to come
Regards Stephen
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