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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2020 13:07:18(UTC)
river6109

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Hi, I wouldn't mind purchasing a new Märklin loco with sound and there are 2 examples come into my mind, SBB Ce 5/6 "Elephant", Ive got the Roco version but its pulling power as a freight loco up into the mountains is somewhat questionable, the other would be a SBB, the latest release from Märklin, (39520) Class Fc 2x3/4 "Köfferli". (Euro 435.00)
I don't think I ever bought a loco from Märklin with sound so it will be a challenge to part with a lot of money, if it ever will eventuate., mind you the sound decoders have dramatically improved over the years whereas the earlier ones just had a whistle and some sort of loco sound.

I don't think the price on these 2 models will come down in the foreseeable future but rather go up and I've noticed the SBB ICN 500 train set (5 parts) is advertised on ebay for around Euro 1100.00 and the supplementary set for around Euro 300.00, I bought mine (second hand but as new) for much less than half of this price.

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Offline Copenhagen  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2020 14:26:29(UTC)
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There are lots of Märklin locomotives with sound that are far, far cheaper than the Köferli.
Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2020 15:09:42(UTC)
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If Märklin offer models with and without sound, then the difference is about €60 RRP.
It seems models without sound do not sell well, so many variations are available with sound only.

The Köfferli is €580 RRP with sound. Without sound it would still be €520 RRP. Street prices will vary and people from outside the EU will save about 16% as the VAT is deducted.

Buy it if you think it is worth it.
It is not the sound that makes those models so expensive.
Regards
Tom
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Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 13 January 2020 16:49:13(UTC)
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Members who have bought the 39520 like it which is a good recommendation. Maybe somebody could confirm the pulling power for you. 435 euros looks not a bad price.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 13 January 2020 17:29:56(UTC)
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It all depends... Are they made in China? ;-)
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 13 January 2020 17:35:11(UTC)
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With the rumours about a 2020 Be 4/6, perhaps you want to hold on your new purchase until you see exactly what they will be offering.
There is also the metal Insider RAm that might be worth considering.

The one that I am eagerly awaiting is the LSM RBe 540/RBe 4/4.

Regards

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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 13 January 2020 20:09:12(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
With the rumours about a 2020 Be 4/6, perhaps you want to hold on your new purchase until you see exactly what they will be offering.
There is also the metal Insider RAm that might be worth considering.

The one that I am eagerly awaiting is the LSM RBe 540/RBe 4/4.

Regards

Mike C


Mike, most of the Swiss and BLS locos are from Roco or HAG and I'm sure I've got a Be 4/6, I think I've got enough train sets like the ICE I, ICE 2, 2 sets of the ÖBB Trans Alpin, 1 SBB RABDe 500 (ICN), 1 Railjet.

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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 14 January 2020 08:49:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
It all depends... Are they made in China? ;-)
Does it depend?
We all know Märklin does not make anything in China. Wink

The question is "Do you get good value for your money?"

More than a dozen years ago I hesitated a long time before spending more than €200 for a single loco. Later on there were other thresholds: €300, €400, €500, €600, ...
Regards
Tom
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Offline HO Collector  
#9 Posted : 14 January 2020 21:04:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
I don't think the price on these 2 models will come down in the foreseeable future but rather go up and I've noticed the SBB ICN 500 train set (5 parts) is advertised on ebay for around Euro 1100.00 and the supplementary set for around Euro 300.00, I bought mine (second hand but as new) for much less than half of this price.

John


John
I bought some sets because I liked them and because I thought that they will not come down in the foreseeable future, guess what? They are now less than 50% of what I paid.
Trains as an investment or a financial anchor? Cursing Cursing Cursing
Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2020 02:46:15(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: HO Collector Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
I don't think the price on these 2 models will come down in the foreseeable future but rather go up and I've noticed the SBB ICN 500 train set (5 parts) is advertised on ebay for around Euro 1100.00 and the supplementary set for around Euro 300.00, I bought mine (second hand but as new) for much less than half of this price.

John


John
I bought some sets because I liked them and because I thought that they will not come down in the foreseeable future, guess what? They are now less than 50% of what I paid.
Trains as an investment or a financial anchor? Cursing Cursing Cursing

investment: I've given up on that idea 20 years ago
it depends which items you thought after and suppose the numbers being produced.

John.

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Offline Marcus01  
#11 Posted : 15 January 2020 04:57:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
It all depends... Are they made in China? ;-)
Does it depend?
We all know Märklin does not make anything in China. Wink

The question is "Do you get good value for your money?"

More than a dozen years ago I hesitated a long time before spending more than €200 for a single loco. Later on there were other thresholds: €300, €400, €500, €600, ...


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Laugh “We know they don’t make in China” except when the brand new loco turns up with a Made in China Sticker attached. Mad Wasn’t impressed. The loco is a few years old (old new stock) so I hope Marklin have stopped this practice now...
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 15 January 2020 08:59:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marcus01 Go to Quoted Post
Laugh “We know they don’t make in China” except when the brand new loco turns up with a Made in China Sticker attached. Mad Wasn’t impressed. The loco is a few years old (old new stock) so I hope Marklin have stopped this practice now...
This loco was not made by Märklin, they just bought it and resold it.
They still do not make items in China, but they still resell items made in the Far East.

Regards
Tom
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