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Offline aussiephil  
#1 Posted : 06 October 2019 05:19:17(UTC)
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aussiephil

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Hi Guys

I am pretty new to all this high tech digital stuff! I did have Marklin many years ago and decided to get back into it a few years back when I started collecting for my retirement!!
Most recently I was able to obtain a mint condition set 3471, for which I have bought a 60921 decoder set to fully digitize it.......any ideas for good sound - what sound card should I buy?
Hopefully someone will be able to give me some good advise.
I follow marklin-users regularly and hope to be able to make some worthwhile contributions in the near future.
Cheers
Phil
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Offline ktsolias  
#2 Posted : 06 October 2019 20:10:04(UTC)
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ktsolias

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Hi

Where did you find the 60921 decoder??
This is from ages ago from 2004........
There is no sound on this decoder

Better to buy a modern decoder with sound for your case a 60976 or 60986

May be the motor from the set is OK but only if the 3471 has a DCM motor

Post a picture oh the motor, that will help to give right advise

Regards

Costas
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Offline Dave Banks  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2019 21:29:09(UTC)
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Dave Banks

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G'day Phil, you need to change the motor to a high propulsion motor at best or at worst fit only a permanent magnet. ESU sell them. You can install a ESU Loksound decoder in my case it was done a few years ago it was the ESU V3.5 Loksound decoder. Also I changed the interior lighting using LED globes. It turned out quite nicely.

Regards

Dave...

PS: This is just to give you some ideas: https://www.marklin-users.net/in...Tog/sites/CH/3071-3.html
D.A.Banks
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Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2019 23:55:32(UTC)
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mike c

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The 3471 might have some special requirements for conversion. The model itself has a delta decoder, but it also has an electronic relay to determine which slider it takes power from.
I would inquire with a specialist before beginning any work on this model.
Perhaps Jacques Vuyes has done such a conversion and can contribute to this topic?

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Mike C
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Offline aussiephil  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2019 06:20:17(UTC)
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aussiephil

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Many thanks for the advice guys......I found the decoder cheap on ebay it is supposedly new but if it's that old I might just use it in a small 3000 I have that is analogue.
I will seek out a better decoder with sound for the 3471.......thanks also for the link Dave, nice to know there is another aussie around who appreciates Marklin!!
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 07 October 2019 06:47:06(UTC)
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I found this diagram. I cannot attest to it's accuracy: https://www.ad-soft.ch/w...u/mae/3071/umbau3471.jpg

I also found this website (in German): http://jaray.ch/eisenbahn/mae_3471.htm

Regards

Mike C
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Offline ktsolias  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2019 09:23:40(UTC)
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ktsolias

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Hi

I have done this conversion not in a DElTA but on an analogue model 3071

This is not an easy conversion anyway.

The problems are the Pick-up shoe changeover and the lighting.

The solution that I used was:

Motor: 60944 in my case, may be you need the 60941 a picture will help
Decoder: 60976
Base plate for the decoder: 60973, in this plate the changing pick-up shoe relais is on the board

For the lights I used LEDs witch is another story

BE CAREFUL: IS NOT A CONVERSION FOR A BEGINNER

Regards

Costas
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Offline supermoee  
#8 Posted : 07 October 2019 15:18:22(UTC)
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supermoee


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Hello,

I have done the update long time ago. I used the ESU board for the change over for the pick up shoes:

http://www.esu.eu/en/pro...nen/change-over-of-skis/

Märklin has a similar circuit:

https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/60973/

then I changed all the light bulbs with LED
ESU Loksound V4
high propulsion set

The next step will be to throw out the noisy Märklin Motor an substitute it with a Maxon motor from SB Modellbau.


rgds

Stephan
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Offline jvuye  
#9 Posted : 07 October 2019 22:06:26(UTC)
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jvuye

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Originally Posted by: aussiephil Go to Quoted Post
Hi Guys

I am pretty new to all this high tech digital stuff! I did have Marklin many years ago and decided to get back into it a few years back when I started collecting for my retirement!!
Most recently I was able to obtain a mint condition set 3471, for which I have bought a 60921 decoder set to fully digitize it.......any ideas for good sound - what sound card should I buy?
Hopefully someone will be able to give me some good advise.
I follow marklin-users regularly and hope to be able to make some worthwhile contributions in the near future.
Cheers
Phil


I would say one thing: please don't change the motor!!!
That type of motor was maybe the best Märklin has ever used...alas only for a short period!
ESU gives instructions on how to drive this type of motor in their booklet on LokPilot and LokSound de coders .
I have never performed that change so cannot give you specifics on those but I'm sure there is someone here who's done this before.
Good luck
Jacques

Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 08 October 2019 03:41:39(UTC)
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mike c

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: aussiephil Go to Quoted Post
Hi Guys

I am pretty new to all this high tech digital stuff! I did have Marklin many years ago and decided to get back into it a few years back when I started collecting for my retirement!!
Most recently I was able to obtain a mint condition set 3471, for which I have bought a 60921 decoder set to fully digitize it.......any ideas for good sound - what sound card should I buy?
Hopefully someone will be able to give me some good advise.
I follow marklin-users regularly and hope to be able to make some worthwhile contributions in the near future.
Cheers
Phil


I would say one thing: please don't change the motor!!!
That type of motor was maybe the best Märklin has ever used...alas only for a short period!
ESU gives instructions on how to drive this type of motor in their booklet on LokPilot and LokSound de coders .
I have never performed that change so cannot give you specifics on those but I'm sure there is someone here who's done this before.
Good luck
Jacques



Jacques, are you referring to the 39700 with the C-Sinus motor? The 3471 has the same motor AFAIR as the Ae 6/6 or the classic BR 103.

Regards

Mike C
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