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Offline LA2019  
#1 Posted : 18 June 2019 01:52:56(UTC)
LA2019

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I'm thinking if adding a Kibri 39452 three bay roundhouse but without using a turntable for space reasons. I know it's probably not prototypical but I think I can use a C-track three way turnout to drive the loco's straight into the roundhouse. I've mocked up a what I'm thinking about with cardboard and some "paper" C track. Is there any reason I should not do this? Will there be any problems that I'm not seeing?

Any comments or ideas will be greatly appreciated!

ken


roundhouse
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 18 June 2019 02:26:41(UTC)
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There's plenty of older M track plans in some of the old books that do this exact thing, so there's certainly nothing you're doing that hasn't been done before and certainly nothing you're doing wrong. As long as the tracks line up OK with the roundhouse doors there's no reason why you can't do this.
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Offline boitpo  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2019 06:29:06(UTC)
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Good idea if you have reverse loops already and can turn locomotives around on them. Have thought of doing the same thing but wasn't sure with c track. Looks like it will work
Regards Stephen
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Offline applor  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2019 06:43:20(UTC)
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I did this on my last layout, certainly not uncommon.

In fact in a lot of real scenarios you will see massive engine sheds with no turntable for repairs etc. Typically straight sheds though, you can easily do that instead of a roundhouse too.
modelling 1954 Germany (era IIIa)
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Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2019 09:14:48(UTC)
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Even if Märklin uses the roundhouse w.o. the turntable, I dont think it is prototipical correct.
Only in the cases where there once WAS a turntable, which was later removed, but the structures kept. In that case you would still need to model a kind of outline of the turntable installation, and thus almost nullifying the space-problem.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2019 10:54:57(UTC)
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Some standard gauge examples:

Leipzig-Leutzsch - roundhouse with two stalls, now abandoned, neither turnout nor turntable traces visible (switch to satellite modus):
https://www.google.de/ma...12%C2%B018'40.6%22E/@51.3558273,12.3117815,83m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d51.3557639!4d12.3112889

Zinnowitz - roundhouse with two stalls without turntable, still in use (switch to satellite modus):
https://www.google.de/ma...7454+Zinnowitz,+Germany/@54.0767037,13.8989639,532m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47ab02237d9b2d03:0x5d984b20e25755f6!8m2!3d54.0767037!4d13.9011526

Greifswald: Already in the 1960s, the roundhouse was reduced to three stalls, and the turntable was removed. Two stalls kept connected to the central station via turnouts (the third stall entrance was bricked up). Last structures torn down at the beginning of the second millennium.
Source: https://www.tt-board.de/...heibe.28915/#post-473682
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Offline David Dewar  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2019 11:33:54(UTC)
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Some roundhouses are not good with C track going through the doors. However you can take away part of the C track ballast and it is OK.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2019 17:14:16(UTC)
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RLS1908Rwy-Handbook.png
What does the German 1908 "Handbuch des Eisenbahnwesens" [= Railway Hancbook], pg. 152 f. state?

"1. Locomotive roundhouse with turnout connection (figure 15). They are rare and are no longer being built at present."

Source:
https://books.google.pt/...enverbindung&f=false
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Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 19 June 2019 00:59:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
Some roundhouses are not good with C track going through the doors. However you can take away part of the C track ballast and it is OK.


But the Märklin roundhouses are fine, correct?

I don't have either a roundhouse or a turntable yet butI might buy my first 3-segment roundhouse kit soon.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
Offline TEEWolf  
#10 Posted : 19 June 2019 19:24:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LA2019 Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking if adding a Kibri 39452 three bay roundhouse but without using a turntable for space reasons. I know it's probably not prototypical but I think I can use a C-track three way turnout to drive the loco's straight into the roundhouse. I've mocked up a what I'm thinking about with cardboard and some "paper" C track. Is there any reason I should not do this? Will there be any problems that I'm not seeing?

Any comments or ideas will be greatly appreciated!

ken


roundhouse


Are this still a roundhouse? I think it is more a 3 lane train shelter. I miss the roundnessBigGrin .
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
Offline LA2019  
#11 Posted : 20 June 2019 17:29:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LA2019 Go to Quoted Post


Are this still a roundhouse? I think it is more a 3 lane train shelter. I miss the roundnessBigGrin .



This is the kit I'm looking at. It may not be much of a roundhouse but it will do!



KI9452.jpg
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Offline TEEWolf  
#12 Posted : 20 June 2019 21:57:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LA2019 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LA2019 Go to Quoted Post


Are this still a roundhouse? I think it is more a 3 lane train shelter. I miss the roundnessBigGrin .



This is the kit I'm looking at. It may not be much of a roundhouse but it will do!



KI9452.jpg


Of course it does. You are the English native speaker and my question to you, does it look like a ring in English?

For myself, more of interest is this house designed and constructed after the rail yard of Ottbergen. But that one is larger. Ottbergen is a small town between Kassel, Bielefeld, Hannover - oh or easier: quite near to Modellbahnshop Lippe (MSL) in Detmold.

https://www.google.de/ma...rgen,+37671+H%C3%B6xter/@51.7282548,9.246917,8.93z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47bae3314f6508d5:0xa27f283d29fb160!8m2!3d51.7099452!4d9.3053818

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modellbundesbahn

And their website

https://www.modellbundesbahn.de/englisch

This yard is rebuilt as a MRR and plenty of videos you find at You Tube, like this one

At about 18:21 in this video you see their roundhouse.BigGrin





Have fun.
CS 3 is a controller system from Märklin - not a central station.
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Offline blid  
#13 Posted : 20 June 2019 22:24:10(UTC)
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According to a Google check the angle is supposed to be 15 degrees. You have only about 12.
On my first layout I had the Marklin version of the roundhouse (also 15 degrees). After the 24630 I used a 24x15 followed by a 24206. You need to get the angle and distance correct to get thru the doors. To get the correct distance I can't remember if I used 24115 or 24215. Anyway, strange S-curves.
3-way roundhouse.JPG

Added: If the floor of your roundhouse is flat (Marklin's is not) the angel is max 15 degrees. Less is OK.

Edited by user 21 June 2019 10:21:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

CS2, 60215, 4x60174, C-tracks, LDT HSI-88, TC Gold. OneGauge Marklin and MTH, CS1 Reloaded on LGB tracks. MTH 3-rail 0-gauge, DCS on GarGraves tracks.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#14 Posted : 21 June 2019 12:25:11(UTC)
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On the occasion (abeit served by a roundtable), there is a three-bay roundhouse in Westerland/Sylt. At least since the end of the 1960s/beginning of the 1970s it has been like this. And looking at the map, there was never space for more than six bays. Furthermore, the status of the outer wall suggests that the roundhouse had only three bays from the onset.

Westerland-Sylt-RLS-DS (2).jpg
Source: Google Maps

A 1972 b/w photograph can be found here (see post #18):

http://www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=463
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#15 Posted : 21 June 2019 12:36:49(UTC)
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And another one from the North of Germany: The four-bay roundhouse (again with turntable) in Heiligenhafen was erected in 1938, and remained like that until torn down in 1974.
Heiligenhafen-BW-RLS-DS.jpg
Sources:
https://www.sundfaehre.de
https://www.drehscheibe-online.de
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#16 Posted : 22 June 2019 21:30:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
On the occasion (abeit served by a roundtable), there is a three-bay roundhouse in Westerland/Sylt. At least since the end of the 1960s/beginning of the 1970s it has been like this. And looking at the map, there was never space for more than six bays. Furthermore, the status of the outer wall suggests that the roundhouse had only three bays from the onset.

Westerland-Sylt-RLS-DS (2).jpg
Source: Google Maps

A 1972 b/w photograph can be found here (see post #18):

http://www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=463


There is actually four tracks going into the roundhouse, which matches the photo in the link you provided.

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Offline LA2019  
#17 Posted : 12 July 2019 01:20:25(UTC)
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I picked up a three-way switch and did a mock up with the roundhouse and all seems to be working fine. There is a slight curve to the track in the roundhouse but I'm OK with the way it looks. I did not have power to the tracks so I ran some passenger cars into the roundhouse with no problems. So far, so good.....

IMG_0803.jpg

IMG_0804.jpg
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Offline ocram63_uk  
#18 Posted : 14 July 2019 19:36:38(UTC)
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so, item 9452 doesn't come up o Kibri's website. I can't find it anywhere. where can I find info for this item ? Thank you
Offline kiwiAlan  
#19 Posted : 14 July 2019 21:24:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ocram63_uk Go to Quoted Post
so, item 9452 doesn't come up o Kibri's website. I can't find it anywhere. where can I find info for this item ? Thank you


That is because Kibri are now owned by Viessmann. They have added another digit in front of the Kibri catalogue number to distinguish the Kibri component line within their catalogue.

See this link for the updated number.

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Offline ocram63_uk  
#20 Posted : 17 July 2019 10:04:48(UTC)
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Thank you very much. I have missed your reply :-(
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