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foumaro		#51 Posted : 19 September 2017 09:38:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I have already decide to buy this locomotive,maybe i have to realize that she will spend the most of her life in the display case.
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dickinsonj		#52 Posted : 19 September 2017 16:33:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: foumaro I have already decide to buy this locomotive,maybe i have to realize that she will spend the most of her life in the display case. Doesn't this radius requirement just mean that you need R2 or greater in the world of C track and not use it on any R1? I do have R2 on my 24611/24612 turnouts but all of my curve track is R3 or greater so I assumed that this model would run properly on my layout. I only use the 24611/24612 turnouts in my yards and all of my regular lines have 24711/24712 turnouts. But I'm not sure that I can justify this loco if it won't run on my layout. My Big Boy and Challenger run without problems but I know that this loco needs a larger radius than they do. I guess I could be missing something here, because I have to admit that fully understanding track geometry is not my best MRR attribute.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Jabez		#53 Posted : 19 September 2017 17:32:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 636 Location: Brussels		Originally Posted by: NS1200 The loco is being sold by a German webshop for Euro 550.- minus 1 cent. That means the first 50 Euro's have been cut off. And lower still already, Eu540 minus 1 cent at MSL today. With their 3% bonus in kind that is approx. Eu 524. And a straight Eu 523.79 over at Lokshop. Still a lot of dough though.
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foumaro		#54 Posted : 19 September 2017 18:47:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: foumaro I have already decide to buy this locomotive,maybe i have to realize that she will spend the most of her life in the display case. Doesn't this radius requirement just mean that you need R2 or greater in the world of C track and not use it on any R1? I do have R2 on my 24611/24612 turnouts but all of my curve track is R3 or greater so I assumed that this model would run properly on my layout. I only use the 24611/24612 turnouts in my yards and all of my regular lines have 24711/24712 turnouts. But I'm not sure that I can justify this loco if it won't run on my layout. My Big Boy and Challenger run without problems but I know that this loco needs a larger radius than they do. I guess I could be missing something here, because I have to admit that fully understanding track geometry is not my best MRR attribute. Track geometry is not my best too,but who cares?I like this perfect loco and i will try to have her.I will running her to my friend's layouts those are more appropriate for this great locomotive.
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dickinsonj		#55 Posted : 19 September 2017 19:33:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: foumaro Track geometry is not my best too,but who cares?I like this perfect loco and i will try to have her.I will running her to my friend's layouts those are more appropriate for this great locomotive. I agree that it really does seem perfect and I may have to get one for my own. My 37015 is a favorite of mine and I think the 39241 may be even nicer. I am traveling right now and I will give myself until I return home at the end of this week to decide.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Armando		#56 Posted : 19 September 2017 19:49:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		This will for sure be a great model. And I'm glad that the Märklin engineers have finally decided to leave behind the deadwood weight of constraining their designs to fit R1, to the advantage of 21st century new models. Hope this trend will continue.
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Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Originally Posted by: Armando And I'm glad that the Märklin engineers have finally decided to leave behind the deadwood weight of constraining their designs to fit R1, to the advantage of 21st century new models. Hope this trend will continue. For certain special models the restriction is acceptable, but for the general models - R1 compatibility is a must...
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klarinettmeister		#58 Posted : 20 September 2017 00:35:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 798 Location: Kirseberg		Today at the rehearsal with my Symphony Orchestra I ordered myself this loco. I decided to pass the Challenger and choose this one instead. It will look nice together with my 7 Märklin Big Boys and especially together with my blue orient express. There's only one small problem... I've no layout but then I can plan it without R1. 😀
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mario54i		#59 Posted : 20 September 2017 09:57:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 283 Location: Torino,		Has anyone asked to Märklin if the 437.5 mm radius is a hard limit or just a way to say R2 ? It looks strange that Märklin engineers forget the existence of K rails for just 12 mm radius. But you never know.
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dickinsonj		#60 Posted : 23 September 2017 02:30:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		BTW Märklin has added new product images to their 39241 page, not only more images, but ones of much higher quality. If the product that they produce looks like the one in those pictures it will be epic. I am looking at this model more favorably than I was before, because I had not been able to get a good impression of it until these images were posted. It looks amazing IMO. Has anyone else noticed these new images? Edited by user 24 September 2017 02:02:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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kimballthurlow		#61 Posted : 23 September 2017 09:29:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Armando This will for sure be a great model. And I'm glad that the Märklin engineers have finally decided to leave behind the deadwood weight of constraining their designs to fit R1, to the advantage of 21st century new models. Hope this trend will continue. Hi Armando, I also hope that Marklin continues to constrain SOME of their designs to fit R1. For many Maerklin buyers, the only realistic way to build a working layout, is to use R1. Maerklin would be making a big mistake to forget these customers. Sure, by all means make models that appeal to collectors and rivet-counters. But please don't forget the mass market, on which your products have provided so much pleasure to so many for such a long time. Kimball
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Goofy		#62 Posted : 23 September 2017 11:28:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,013		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: Armando This will for sure be a great model. And I'm glad that the Märklin engineers have finally decided to leave behind the deadwood weight of constraining their designs to fit R1, to the advantage of 21st century new models. Hope this trend will continue. Hi Armando, I also hope that Marklin continues to constrain SOME of their designs to fit R1. For many Maerklin buyers, the only realistic way to build a working layout, is to use R1. Maerklin would be making a big mistake to forget these customers. Sure, by all means make models that appeal to collectors and rivet-counters. But please don't forget the mass market, on which your products have provided so much pleasure to so many for such a long time. Kimball The french locomotive is for more advance customer who wants more realistic operate on the layout. You buy american "Big Boy" too? Do you think customer would like to see this massive steam locomotive operate on the tiny small curve R1? It don´t look nice and impressive.
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dickinsonj		#63 Posted : 23 September 2017 15:59:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Goofy The french locomotive is for more advance customer who wants more realistic operate on the layout. You buy american "Big Boy" too? Do you think customer would like to see this massive steam locomotive operate on the tiny small curve R1? It don´t look nice and impressive. I think the same thing. Although my Big Boy and Challenger will operate on the smaller radii they only look good on R4 or R5 curves. The same applies to many of my passenger coaches as well. For instance my beloved VT 11.5 has beautiful diaphragms but they look a little strange on very tight curves. I know that everyone has constraints and that many people have used some R1 in their layouts out of necessity. But I always have multiple lines with only R4 and R5 curves for my large models. I hope to someday make a new lowest level on my layout with long straights and large curves to make the kind of setting that the both large and long American trains need to look their best. I know that some people just can't do that but this is just one Märklin model that I am aware of that won't run on R1. I would be interested to know if there are others if anyone knows. Almost no American model Märklin has ever made looks good on the smaller radii, so the absolute smallest it will run on is less important for large models. I think that Märklin has done a great job overall of accommodating R1 when absolutely necessary and it would have been nice for that to happen with this loco also. But I assume they could not be faithful to the prototype and get it to function correctly if it had to run on any smaller radius. Hopefully the vast majority of their locos will still run on 360 mm curves in the future and no one will feel left out.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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steventrain		#64 Posted : 23 September 2017 20:33:13(UTC) Retweet
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kimballthurlow		#65 Posted : 24 September 2017 03:23:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj BTW Märklin has added new product images to their 39241 page, not only more images, but ones of much higher quality. If the product that they produce looks like the one in those pictures it will be epic. I am looking at this model more favorably than I was before, because I had not been able to get a good impression of it until these images were posted. It looks amazing IMO. Has anyone else noticed these new images? Yes the product page has a rolling choice of 9 or 10 photographs of the model, presumably in a pre-production guise with some details picked out in a brass casting. As you say Jim, it puts a nice perspective on the model. I have said before:- for under 600 Euros, it is amazing value compared to other available models of this type. regards Kimball
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dickinsonj		#66 Posted : 24 September 2017 03:36:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow I have said before:- for under 600 Euros, it is amazing value compared to other available models of this type. Kimball Even better since I can order it for €488 right now here in the US. That makes it an amazing value if the production locos are as detailed as the pre-production model that Märklin is showing on their web site.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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kiwiAlan		#67 Posted : 24 September 2017 18:03:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: Armando This will for sure be a great model. And I'm glad that the Märklin engineers have finally decided to leave behind the deadwood weight of constraining their designs to fit R1, to the advantage of 21st century new models. Hope this trend will continue. Hi Armando, I also hope that Marklin continues to constrain SOME of their designs to fit R1. For many Maerklin buyers, the only realistic way to build a working layout, is to use R1. Maerklin would be making a big mistake to forget these customers. Sure, by all means make models that appeal to collectors and rivet-counters. But please don't forget the mass market, on which your products have provided so much pleasure to so many for such a long time. Kimball There are other models that are constrained for radius - depending what optional details you fit. The Insider Br05 is an obvious one, to run on tight radii the covers over the front bogies need to be ones with cutouts that allow the bogie to turn far enough, although I know one person who modified a Trix version of the loco so that as the bogie turned it pushed the cover out. There are also models where the radii that it will run on when details are added means it won't run on R1 - some of the S3/6 models come to mind where fitting the cylinder rod protectors limits the minimum radius. There are also G1 models that will not run on marklins minimum G1 radius. I remember seeing a steam loco attempt this, and the sides of the cab collided with the tender on the minimum radius. The minimum radius was quite clearly stated in the catalogue and included documentation. But in both cases, if the owner is prepared to put up with the 'incorrect' detailing they can run it on R1. It is a shame they couldn't make a similar compromise with the 241. I would be interested to know what limits the minimum radius.
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Crazy Harry		#68 Posted : 24 September 2017 23:17:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 477 Location: Oakville, Ontario		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan I would be interested to know what limits the minimum radius. I suspect it is the wheelbase of the drivers that limits the radius. Articulation of the frame may have solved the minimum radius issue. More drastic would be removal of the flange on the middle drivers, but who would want to do that on a 500 to 600 Euro model? Harold.
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dickinsonj		#69 Posted : 25 September 2017 00:37:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry I suspect it is the wheelbase of the drivers that limits the radius. That is what I think also, and they could not have changed that and remained faithful to the prototype. The Big Boy also has 4 coupled axles but its wheels are of a smaller diameter and the wheelbase would be somewhat shorter. I think that the fixed wheelbase and the large diameter passenger loco drivers combine to make it just too long to work on R1.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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RayF		#70 Posted : 25 September 2017 12:13:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Some Marklin Br41 models quoted a minimum of R2 curves as well. This is consistent with the limitation imposed by the four coupled axles. Having said that I have no trouble running my 3792 Br41 on my R1 curves, apart from a bit of noise from the flanges as they complain at being so restricted.
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jvuye		#71 Posted : 25 September 2017 13:59:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: RayF Some Marklin Br41 models quoted a minimum of R2 curves as well. This is consistent with the limitation imposed by the four coupled axles. Having said that I have no trouble running my 3792 Br41 on my R1 curves, apart from a bit of noise from the flanges as they complain at being so restricted. Yes Ray! Same observation here! In fact I just took a good look at my layout's plan, and there was only **one** hidden spot on the (C-track) mainline with an R1 constraint, and another spot where, in a R2 curve, I used a curved switch (where both curved sections are in fact R1!) In preparation for the 241A65 arrival next month, I know for sure I can replace the R1 curve, no biggy, but the curved switch will take a lot more fiddling, probably involving the use of one of the new wide radii curved switches. But clearly , this magnificent model deserves some extra work, no way this would have to turn into a shelf queen!! . Can't wait! Cheers
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Rwill		#72 Posted : 26 September 2017 18:47:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/05/2015(UTC) Posts: 777 Location: England, London		Idly browsing my favourite dealers to spot any "bargains" I came across BW Bahn proudly showing on their home page 39241 and its Trix equivalent in stock at 549.99 Euros. Its not ever gonna be for me, for the R1 issue and the simple economics of my bank balance but I wonder what would happen if you pressed "BUY" and how long before the entry is altered ?
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dominator		#73 Posted : 27 September 2017 03:21:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,196 Location: Kerikeri		FWIW, 5100 is 360 mm, 5200 is 427.4 mm. R2 is 438 mm. If it noticed the 10.6 mm difference I would be surprised. Wheres the big seal. I wont use 5120 anywhere. Dereck
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TEEWolf		#74 Posted : 27 September 2017 04:22:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Here a picture about Maerklin's curved tracks circle geometry. Here a link to a PDF-file brochure about Maerklin's C-track geometry. Of course and unfortunately only in German. Marklin C-tracks geometry And finally I found the C-Track plans layouts for Maerklin's start-up packages. track plans
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kimballthurlow		#75 Posted : 27 September 2017 11:11:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,668 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry .... Articulation of the frame may have solved the minimum radius issue. More drastic would be removal of the flange on the middle drivers, but who would want to do that on a 500 to 600 Euro model? Harold. Hi Harold, Flangeless driving wheels on a 3 or 4 axle steam locomotive were quite common. This was done to eliminate the sideways forces on one or more of the wheel flanges when negotiating curves. And the same has applied to many models, without mishap to operation or performance. regards Kimball
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RayF		#76 Posted : 27 September 2017 11:54:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry .... Articulation of the frame may have solved the minimum radius issue. More drastic would be removal of the flange on the middle drivers, but who would want to do that on a 500 to 600 Euro model? Harold. Hi Harold, Flangeless driving wheels on a 3 or 4 axle steam locomotive were quite common. This was done to eliminate the sideways forces on one or more of the wheel flanges when negotiating curves. And the same has applied to many models, without mishap to operation or performance. regards Kimball Ha! The old flangeless driver trick! I remember the new (at the time in the sixties) Triang Hornby Brittania when it came out was such a beautiful model, but I was so disappointed at the middle driver having no flanges. It just looked wrong!
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NewComix		#77 Posted : 27 September 2017 20:59:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 91 Location: Harsefeld, Niedersachsen		Hi, Originally Posted by: mario54i Has anyone asked to Märklin if the 437.5 mm radius is a hard limit or just a way to say R2 ? It looks strange that Märklin engineers forget the existence of K rails for just 12 mm radius. But you never know. A user at Stummiforum has asked Märklin Service, whether K-track radius R2 = 424 mm works for the French steamer 39241 and the answer was YES. Kind regards Jörg
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blid		#78 Posted : 28 September 2017 09:45:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 228 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		To me it looks like prototypes can have problems with tight curves too. Anyway, this is another renovated steam engine with a mix of nice american passenger cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...4y0&feature=youtu.be
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dickinsonj		#79 Posted : 28 September 2017 15:02:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: blid To me it looks like prototypes can have problems with tight curves too. Anyway, this is another renovated steam engine with a mix of nice american passenger cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...4y0&feature=youtu.be The problems that some model locos have with tight curves are often due to them being faithful reproductions of their prototypes. Many high performance locos were designed primarily to run on only the best aligned and maintained tracks and therefore models of them exhibit very similar behavior. I have ridden behind Norfolk and Western #611 on several occasions and she is a real beauty. Even today #611 is capable of higher speeds than most freight track lines in the US will allow. Designed and built in house by Norfolk and Western in their Roanoke, Virginia shops, #611 is one of the finest steam locomotives ever to run in the US. It is among just a handful of these high performance machines still being operated today, very much like the beautiful SNCF 241.A.65.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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dickinsonj		#80 Posted : 30 September 2017 02:29:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		BTW I have another observation to make on this model based on me being a total novice concerning SNCF locos. Since I fell in love with Märklin's 39241 I have been watching videos of the real thing out on the rails and learning to appreciate what a special locomotive the 241.A.65 really is. Many of you no doubt knew about this loco already, but to me it was totally new. WOW -What a beauty the SNCF Class 241 loco is. It has perfect proportions with an impressive drive train and a lot of nice brass details. I think that this loco is "Go big or Go home" territory for any model railway maker. It was indeed a fall surprise to see Märklin offer such a beautifully detailed model of such an amazing loco at what I find to be a reasonable price. You can always get the Micro Metakit Class 241, which although much more detailed is not really all that much prettier and cost over 3.000€! Here I was thinking that the Märklin fall lineup was weak and that I could easily passed up everything that they were offering. Edited by user 30 September 2017 15:14:25(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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steventrain		#81 Posted : 10 October 2017 19:59:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		39241 planning delivery date is November - Marklin database.
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rbonet		#82 Posted : 10 October 2017 20:14:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 139 Location: Barcelona, Spain		Steven, thank you very much for this announcement. In fact, I lack your periodic post with the Märklin updated delivery dates. Cheers, Rafael
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Thewolf		#83 Posted : 10 October 2017 22:30:53(UTC) Retweet
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foumaro		#84 Posted : 11 October 2017 10:21:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Very good news for me,very bad news for my wallet.
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ac jacko		#85 Posted : 07 November 2017 09:43:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		The white wheel rim and the boiler lines make it for me as an amazing model as I can always dream of buying one day ;)
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jvuye		#86 Posted : 07 November 2017 18:28:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Can't wait for it to arrive!! The changes to the layout have been performed , there are no R1 curves anywhere on it now, at least on the mainline, the 4 tracks in the main station and to/from the coaling station and turntable. The new R3 curved Ctrack switches are marvelous!
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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ParisTsirchoglou		#87 Posted : 07 November 2017 21:50:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2015(UTC) Posts: 127 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece		Hi Everybody. Since I first saw her, I was so impressed!!! One of the most beautiful steam locomotives I have ever seen. Add to all this, that it is Era II (my favorite era), well ... what else could I do??? I ordered her!!!! Can't wait to see her in the flesh!!! Regards Paris
		Era I and Era II German and Swiss Steamers and E-Loks. Proud owner of a Challenger (-;
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dickinsonj		#88 Posted : 08 November 2017 01:27:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: ParisTsirchoglou Since I first saw her, I was so impressed!!! One of the most beautiful steam locomotives I have ever seen. Regards Paris I totally agree with you Paris. I am a huge steam fan and I have never seen a more beautiful locomotive than the SNCF 241.A.65. I have some gorgeous steam locos but none of them really comes close the the balance and charm of this loco. It is big enough to be impressive but so well proportioned and designed that it looks sleek and swift. Märklin showed an amazing level of detail on their hand sample, and if the production model meets that goal, it will be a MRR milestone IMO. I spent a week pretended to be considering if I should get it or not, but I never seriously wondered if I would order it. No clue when it will find me here in rural USA, but I am sure that it will be at least January or later. But it will be a very happy day on my layout when it does arrive. I don't believe that I have looked forward to a new loco this much since the 2001 Big Boy blew me away! Next up Märklin - please build me a perfect late 1920's Orient Express coach set in blue and I can die a happy man.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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dickinsonj		#89 Posted : 08 November 2017 01:32:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: jvuye The new R3 curved Ctrack switches are marvelous! That is good to know Jacques! I quit using my old R1 curved switches years ago. I do need some double curve turnouts though and it is good to hear a positive review.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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Leitner		#90 Posted : 08 November 2017 01:41:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 274		I was planning to check it first and then buy it but apparently it's getting harder and harder to find it... And it's not even in the stores yet.
		Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962). I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded. I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
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dickinsonj		#91 Posted : 08 November 2017 01:59:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Leitner I was planning to check it first and then buy it but apparently it's getting harder and harder to find it... And it's not even in the stores yet. If I am correct about the quality of this model it will sell out before the first one is even delivered to a customer. I ordered mine within the first week and I hope that I did not wait too long! My dealer commented that it had caused a huge amount of interest in the MRR community and that it was selling out fast.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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jvuye		#92 Posted : 08 November 2017 17:11:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: jvuye The new R3 curved Ctrack switches are marvelous! That is good to know Jacques! I quit using my old R1 curved switches years ago. I do need some double curve turnouts though and it is good to hear a positive review. Yes, I know this discussion on switches is a bit off topic, but relevant since this loco( if I remember right) is the first one that comes with an R2 limitation, might as well mention it. From my limited experience (all of one week... ) some older rolling stock (with wider wheels) may cause shorts on one or two of the pukos . (This happens also sometimes on other C-track switches) Just a slight bending will solve the problem, like always! I'd post a picture to explain if needed, but the switches are already mounted on the layout, and it's hard to take pictures in that spot!! Cheers Jacques
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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kiwiAlan		#93 Posted : 08 November 2017 17:17:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: jvuye Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: jvuye The new R3 curved Ctrack switches are marvelous! That is good to know Jacques! I quit using my old R1 curved switches years ago. I do need some double curve turnouts though and it is good to hear a positive review. Yes, I know this discussion on switches is a bit off topic, but relevant since this loco( if I remember right) is the first one that comes with an R2 limitation, might as well mention it. From my limited experience (all of one week... ) some older rolling stock (with wider wheels) may cause shorts on one or two of the pukos . (This happens also sometimes on other C-track switches) Just a slight bending will solve the problem, like always! I'd post a picture to explain if needed, but the switches are already mounted on the layout, and it's hard to take pictures in that spot!! Cheers Jacques The other trick I have seen mentioned here is to put a (very) short piece of heat shrink sleeve on the appropriate puko that the wheel touches.
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AmalfiCoast		#94 Posted : 08 November 2017 20:11:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2016(UTC) Posts: 153 Location: Maryland, South Laurel		I've just ordered my 241a steam loco too. Like some others, I'm hoping Marklin makes new Orient Express coaches to go with it David
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Leitner		#95 Posted : 08 November 2017 21:00:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 274		I went to one of my favourite shop and ordered it today. They told me it will take a while to get it because I arrived quite late. Whatever, what does matter is getting it. :)
		Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962). I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded. I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
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Jabez		#96 Posted : 09 November 2017 00:48:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/08/2016(UTC) Posts: 636 Location: Brussels		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj If I am correct about the quality of this model it will sell out before the first one is even delivered to a customer. I ordered mine within the first week and I hope that I did not wait too long! My dealer commented that it had caused a huge amount of interest in the MRR community and that it was selling out fast. If that should happen, what I don't understand is this. If projections indicate that sales of a new product will outstrip its initial production run, why doesn't the mnfr expand that production run by any means possible to garner those potential extra sales first time round? It is not as if it was marketed as a 'limited' edition. If people are breaking down the doors to buy your product, an arbitrary production cut off doesn't seem smart.
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Leitner		#97 Posted : 09 November 2017 01:00:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 274		Jabez, I don't believe it must not be easy to increase production of a product like this, in any case today my dealer told me that considering I arrived quite late I'll probably be able to get the item only in January/February but I really don't know if this is reliable or not...
		Ep. III (My layout is set in 1962). I collect mainly DSB, DB and SBB but I'm quite... Open minded. I'm quite a big collector of NOHAB lok :)
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dickinsonj		#98 Posted : 09 November 2017 03:42:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,683 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: Jabez If that should happen, what I don't understand is this. If projections indicate that sales of a new product will outstrip its initial production run, why doesn't the mnfr expand that production run by any means possible to garner those potential extra sales first time round? It is not as if it was marketed as a 'limited' edition. If people are breaking down the doors to buy your product, an arbitrary production cut off doesn't seem smart. It seems that these days many Märklin locos are essentially limited editions, even if they are not marketed that way. I think that is one way they are countering the competition from the second hand market and making their products more collectable. I resumed collecting Märklin products just as the 37015 sold out, which seemed to happen very quickly. I eventually decided that I really wanted one and I waited to see if they would make more, but they never did. They later sold it in two other liveries but the original green Bavarian version was what I had to have. After looking for a long time I bought a new one from a collector who buys special models and then sells them at an additional markup. It is a beautiful loco and I am very happy to have it, even after paying more for it than what I ordered the 241.A.65 for. So I am guessing (since that is all we can really do at this point) that the same thing might happen with the 241.A.65. Märklin will produce their original production run and when they are sold out your options to buy a new one will be severely limited. When you do see a 37015 on ebay today it is often listed for $800 USD (~700€) or more. That is significantly more than it cost when it was new and a good bit more than what I paid. I did not want to see the same thing happen with this model so I ordered it quickly, which is exactly what I think Märklin wants us to do.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.
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kiwiAlan		#99 Posted : 09 November 2017 14:34:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,103 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: Jabez If that should happen, what I don't understand is this. If projections indicate that sales of a new product will outstrip its initial production run, why doesn't the mnfr expand that production run by any means possible to garner those potential extra sales first time round? It is not as if it was marketed as a 'limited' edition. If people are breaking down the doors to buy your product, an arbitrary production cut off doesn't seem smart. It seems that these days many Märklin locos are essentially limited editions, even if they are not marketed that way. I think that is one way they are countering the competition from the second hand market and making their products more collectable. If there is spare manufacturing capacity then making more is probably not a problem. The problem will be that Marklin will have designated a manufacturing slot on the production line for a quantity ordered by dealers by a certain date. They may expand that by a certain percentage, say 1 or 2% to allow for late orders, but that will be it. Once those are made the production line is committed to manufacturing another item - it can't manufacture a given item for an indefinite time, that is just plain uneconomic. If they don't limit the number of an item in this way then they risk having a quantity of unsold stock stacked up at the factory that represents capital tied up in stock that doesn't sell.
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jvuye		#100 Posted : 09 November 2017 14:35:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: jvuye Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: jvuye The new R3 curved Ctrack switches are marvelous! That is good to know Jacques! I quit using my old R1 curved switches years ago. I do need some double curve turnouts though and it is good to hear a positive review. Yes, I know this discussion on switches is a bit off topic, but relevant since this loco( if I remember right) is the first one that comes with an R2 limitation, might as well mention it. From my limited experience (all of one week... ) some older rolling stock (with wider wheels) may cause shorts on one or two of the pukos . (This happens also sometimes on other C-track switches) Just a slight bending will solve the problem, like always! I'd post a picture to explain if needed, but the switches are already mounted on the layout, and it's hard to take pictures in that spot!! Cheers Jacques The other trick I have seen mentioned here is to put a (very) short piece of heat shrink sleeve on the appropriate puko that the wheel touches. Yes Alan that would be a solution. You'll need a fairly large diameter version since the offending pukos are the very large ones near the deviated track.
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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