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Offline Goofy  
#51 Posted : 16 July 2017 11:24:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
With all the above i am reading,i decide not to update my CS2,i will wait for a few mounths till all these problems find a sollution.I have only one locomotive with decoder that needs this update,the Challenger,so i will wait.Anyway does anybody noticed if the application main station we are using to control the trains with iphones or ipads is working after the update?


Good point by wait to upgrade!
There is bugs too in the CS3.
Apple will soon update new Beta version for the iPhone and iPad.
If Märklin will change the application for the app in the autumn i´m not sure.
One thing is so sure...you can´t use iPhone 5 with the new Beta version.

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline Thewolf  
#52 Posted : 18 July 2017 19:02:40(UTC)
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Mike, my friend of Westend trains confirmed me the bugs of the update 4.2 for the cs2

And he wrote me this:

''Hi Serge,

This is why I always wait 2 weeks before I install any new updates '' 

So I wait

Thewolf


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Offline JohnjeanB  
#53 Posted : 19 July 2017 12:28:17(UTC)
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Hi All,

My update through network went well and lasted approx.45 minutes.
The new version shows updates, bugs and drawbacks:
- 32 functions capability is working fine (I tested it on MSD3 and on new Locos with more than 16 functions).
- changed interface to program functions with (a) the unconvenience of having to go from CV mode to create functions and the basic mode to select icons, steady / impulse and (b) some lost functionality in programminf those functions (timer setting)
- bugs (rebooting during programing of functions, Strange new mode where the stop button/zone is blinking while the CS2 is operational with power and controls).

In my opinion it will be followed by a correction as it is clearly an interesting new work in progress.
The present new version can be used definitely (i.e.: it is Worth your while to do the update).
Note: I did the update on my two CS2s and noted the same behaviour on both (i.e.: the above is not a hardware-related problem).

Cheers
Jean
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#54 Posted : 21 July 2017 17:32:17(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Bored
updated my CS2 now.
All seems ok, but when the system restart I receive this message:

1

and I cannot drive loco or decoder, all the buttons are dead, I can only navigate the menu and the various screen.

When I try to repeat the upgrade the system says: "already done"

2

This the two main screen that I have

3

4

Crying Crying Crying
Alberto

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Offline Thewolf  
#55 Posted : 21 July 2017 18:45:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
Bored
updated my CS2 now.
All seems ok, but when the system restart I receive this message:


Thus nothing seems to be in order

Thewolf

Edited by moderator 22 July 2017 08:58:18(UTC)  | Reason: Please do not quote entire posts including pictures unless relevant to the point being made.

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#56 Posted : 21 July 2017 18:54:51(UTC)
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Hi Alberto,

If possible I would try an USB update with an older version
Good luck
Jean
Offline Thewolf  
#57 Posted : 21 July 2017 19:07:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi Alberto,

If possible I would try an USB update with an older version
Good luck
Jean


On the marklin website, it is written :

''Note: After that, you cannot install one of the older updates again! ''

So I don't know

Thewolf
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#58 Posted : 21 July 2017 20:00:08(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi Alberto,

If possible I would try an USB update with an older version
Good luck
Jean


Already done, via usb, and after that another update via internet, but the bug remains.
An answer from a Betatester will be welcome, I know that they read the forum...
Is it a my problem only?
Thanks

ps
I will try another update the next week, hoping that it will solve the problem
Alberto

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Offline arcanjo  
#59 Posted : 21 July 2017 22:16:19(UTC)
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Hello!

It's better that Marklin solves this mess, A CS 2 that never gave me a problem, well mantained, suddenly is buggy as hell. I will wait for a new update/correction.

Miguel
Offline dickinsonj  
#60 Posted : 22 July 2017 02:02:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: arcanjo Go to Quoted Post
Hello!

It's better that Marklin solves this mess, A CS 2 that never gave me a problem, well mantained, suddenly is buggy as hell. I will wait for a new update/correction.

Miguel

I agree - Märklin needs to fix this ASAP. I am just glad that I saw this thread before I updated mine and broke it.

Märklin clearly states that you can not roll back this update. My CS2 works perfectly right now and I can wait to access those extra functions until they get this sorted out.

I will not be updating mine at this point.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline PMPeter  
#61 Posted : 22 July 2017 04:12:26(UTC)
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I'm not sure if anybody has compiled a list of all the bugs found in this update, but it sure seems to be a mess. The bugs do not appear to be consistent and in my case appear to change with every reboot. The only consistent ones I have are the CS2 starting in Stop mode, the MS2 trying to update each time, and the CS2 rebooting on its own when nothing is being controlled. These 3 bugs appear to be common among a number of the replies.

I had a great functioning CS2 up until this update and now I don't know what to expect every time I turn it on.

Peter

Offline clapcott  
#62 Posted : 22 July 2017 08:53:41(UTC)
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Re:1) STOP on power on

I think this is a "get over it and move on" situation.
The consensus is that this aligns with the CS3 and the desire by a lot (me included) that the layout power-up without putting power straight on the track.

Re: 2) MS2 update fail

This may have been triggered because the CS2 update package included a MS2 update but the real issue is that the update has partially completed/failed and is not able to do a full reload of the same code.
.
This is not unheard of with previous versions and is not specifically a CS2 issue
Not helped by both the MS2 and CS2 presenting update messages (not sure which to use)

Suggest finding an older CS2/MS2 and doing an update to a downlevel version.
Please ensure that NO other devices are connected during the update AND ensure you let it finish completely
Subsequently , redoing the update to 2.7 can be restarted.
Please ensure that NO other devices are connected during the update AND ensure you let it finish completely

A future CS2 update will not address this issue unless there just happens to be a MS2 update included.

Re: 3) Warmstarts
Plenty of previous experience with this sort of thing

Usually a resource issue and it may be that the (part of) memory on your CS2 that has not been used before is stumbling on a new fault.
Other culprits include poor or assertive network and/or software not interacting properly.

Given 2 above, I would suggest disconnecting the MS2 (and any other devices) and trying and bisect the trigger cause.
Peter
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Offline Thewolf  
#63 Posted : 22 July 2017 09:08:26(UTC)
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Hi allCool

I think that the best thing to do is....waiting that Marklin resolves the bugs

Thewolf
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Offline clapcott  
#64 Posted : 22 July 2017 09:36:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Go to Quoted Post
Hi Alberto,

If possible I would try an USB update with an older version
Good luck
Jean


Already done, via usb, and after that another update via internet, but the bug remains.
An answer from a Betatester will be welcome, I know that they read the forum...
Is it a my problem only?
Thanks

ps
I will try another update the next week, hoping that it will solve the problem

Because we are dealing with the TFP which is a self contained component (similar to the Booster), and that the code update appears to have been corrupted, i would offer the suggestion that you find a CS2 that has not been updated and set you CS2 to Slave.

You should get a "do you want to update" message which actually, if you read it , will downgrade the software.




Peter
Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#65 Posted : 22 July 2017 15:08:03(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post

Because we are dealing with the TFP which is a self contained component (similar to the Booster), and that the code update appears to have been corrupted, i would offer the suggestion that you find a CS2 that has not been updated and set you CS2 to Slave.

You should get a "do you want to update" message which actually, if you read it , will downgrade the software.


Thanks Peter, monday I will try this solution (I have two CS2)

Alberto

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Offline PMPeter  
#66 Posted : 22 July 2017 16:00:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Re:1) STOP on power on

I think this is a "get over it and move on" situation.
The consensus is that this aligns with the CS3 and the desire by a lot (me included) that the layout power-up without putting power straight on the track.

Re: 2) MS2 update fail

This may have been triggered because the CS2 update package included a MS2 update but the real issue is that the update has partially completed/failed and is not able to do a full reload of the same code.
.
This is not unheard of with previous versions and is not specifically a CS2 issue
Not helped by both the MS2 and CS2 presenting update messages (not sure which to use)

Suggest finding an older CS2/MS2 and doing an update to a downlevel version.
Please ensure that NO other devices are connected during the update AND ensure you let it finish completely
Subsequently , redoing the update to 2.7 can be restarted.
Please ensure that NO other devices are connected during the update AND ensure you let it finish completely

A future CS2 update will not address this issue unless there just happens to be a MS2 update included.

Re: 3) Warmstarts
Plenty of previous experience with this sort of thing

Usually a resource issue and it may be that the (part of) memory on your CS2 that has not been used before is stumbling on a new fault.
Other culprits include poor or assertive network and/or software not interacting properly.

Given 2 above, I would suggest disconnecting the MS2 (and any other devices) and trying and bisect the trigger cause.


I think the point I am trying to make has been totally missed. I can "get over it and move on" with most issues, but that does not mean it is correct and should not be fixed.

What I am trying to see is if there are a lot of common issues and it would be nice to have a list of the bugs that people have encountered with this update so that others don't feel alone when that bug shows up on their layout.


Offline franciscohg  
#67 Posted : 22 July 2017 18:30:12(UTC)
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Hello, the no TFP message has been there for ages ( updates 3.something for me at least ) now i have not receive it in a long time. At a time the answer from marklin service was to reset and reinstall the software wich eventually works.
Of the other bugs, i must say that i heva experience none of them, had no reboots and the MS2 is working properly. Perhaps a corrupted update file? Perhaps it is worth a try to redownload it and try a new USB update?
I have a couples of issues with the update, but i think they are features, not bugs.
Regards
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#68 Posted : 22 July 2017 23:06:06(UTC)
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Received the response from the Märklin service, unfortunately an internal CS2 hardware error occourred during the update, the only solution is to send the CS2 to Märklin for repair.
Alberto

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Offline arcanjo  
#69 Posted : 23 July 2017 19:14:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
Received the response from the Märklin service, unfortunately an internal CS2 hardware error occourred during the update, the only solution is to send the CS2 to Märklin for repair.


Hello!

Are you saying that there is no turn around to this issue? Only a trip to factory? Crying

This is going better and better...

Miguel

A quick update...

I have downloaded the update and put it in a USB stick, ran it and apparently CS2 updated something. After reboot my MS2 is not in update loop anymore.

Nevertheless the Stop "feature" after reboot continues. I don't know anymore if it is a bug or a feature.

Miguel
Offline Thewolf  
#70 Posted : 25 July 2017 14:29:28(UTC)
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Hello all Cool

I don't understand.

It seems that some had no problems with update V 4.2 and others. Why ??

Thewolf

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Offline franciscohg  
#71 Posted : 25 July 2017 19:32:13(UTC)
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Hi, corrupt files? Perhaps earlier revisions of hardware? Alberto shows version 3.4 , that is very old
Luckily i am having not troubles at all.
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Offline Thewolf  
#72 Posted : 25 July 2017 21:08:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hi, corrupt files? Perhaps earlier revisions of hardware? Alberto shows version 3.4 , that is very old
Luckily i am having not troubles at all.


Hi

Corrupt files ? They are the same files for everybody, no? Why would they be corrupted for any and not for others?

Thewolf
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Offline franciscohg  
#73 Posted : 25 July 2017 21:49:53(UTC)
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they may get corrupted in the download process
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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Offline Thewolf  
#74 Posted : 25 July 2017 21:51:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
they may get corrupted in the download process


Of course..I have forgotten this point
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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#75 Posted : 26 July 2017 00:52:14(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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Updated this evening my second CS2, 60215, all has gone right Cool
Tested the functions and the other options, all OK.
The connection with the CS2 software on computer OK too.
Here the screenshot

1

2

3

software

4

probably only unlucky trasfer data via internet with my 60213
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Offline dickinsonj  
#76 Posted : 26 July 2017 01:11:40(UTC)
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Alberto,

Does your CS2 boot up with layout power on or off?

Thanks!
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#77 Posted : 26 July 2017 01:21:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Does your CS2 boot up with layout power on or off?


All updated CS2's should boot up with power off - it's a new feature.

Mine certainly does.

See Clapcott's comments in this thread - post #62
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#78 Posted : 26 July 2017 01:30:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: arcanjo Go to Quoted Post
Nevertheless the Stop "feature" after reboot continues. I don't know anymore if it is a bug or a feature.


You obviously haven't been reading the entire thread.

This is a new feature - see my comment above and Clapcott's in post #62.
Offline dickinsonj  
#79 Posted : 26 July 2017 01:51:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Does your CS2 boot up with layout power on or off?


All updated CS2's should boot up with power off - it's a new feature.

Mine certainly does.

See Clapcott's comments in this thread - post #62


I did not get the impression that everyone was seeing this behavior and I wanted to check that this update seems stable now. Alberto's post makes me think that 4.2.1 is fine and it sounds like I can go ahead and update anytime. I write software for a living and when I see multiple strange software behaviors from multiple users I hold back and let others do the free beta testing. BigGrin

I have often thought that I would prefer the CS2 to wait on boot up to let me supply power to the layout when I am ready not when the boot process happens to finish. I see this as a feature not a bug! I do not yet have a CS3 so I was not aware that they started up in this fashion. Cool
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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Offline arcanjo  
#80 Posted : 26 July 2017 19:33:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: arcanjo Go to Quoted Post
Nevertheless the Stop "feature" after reboot continues. I don't know anymore if it is a bug or a feature.


You obviously haven't been reading the entire thread.

This is a new feature - see my comment above and Clapcott's in post #62.


Hello!

Thank you! I can confirm that my CS 2 after the usb update (after the net update one which went wrong) is working fine!

Miguel
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Offline Thewolf  
#81 Posted : 27 July 2017 23:22:26(UTC)
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Hi all Cool

This comment is sent to the Canadian members who would be connected to Internet by the system Fibe of Bell

Impossible to make my update.

I suspect the Fibe system of blocking my update

Among the member Canadian, certain members have they fibe like me? Had they problems for the update?

Thank you for the reply

Thewolf





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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#82 Posted : 28 July 2017 00:24:18(UTC)
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Download the USB update and update your CS2 that way.

I doubt very much that Bell would be blocking the Marklin update site. Maybe if you were in North Korea, but not in Canada.
Offline Thewolf  
#83 Posted : 28 July 2017 00:50:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Download the USB update and update your CS2 that way.

I doubt very much that Bell would be blocking the Marklin update site. Maybe if you were in North Korea, but not in Canada.


The system Fibe has this particularity to group together Internet, the line of the telephone and the casting of the TV channel under a kind of central console

I would have not of to use the term "to block", ...but create certain "problems" preventing the update.

I have my cs2 since the beginning of 2012, never I had problems for the update, but since 2014 I have fibe and I was not capable any more of updating cs2

Thewolf
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Offline waorb  
#84 Posted : 28 July 2017 14:40:27(UTC)
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Hello.

Just an info.

I downloaded the 135MB version of the binary, transfered it to a USB stick, and updated my CS2 flawlessly.
All process took around an hour.

I choosed to skip the online update to avoid problems if the connection is interrupted.

No issues so far.

Cheers,

Walter
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Offline fhp2  
#85 Posted : 28 July 2017 18:38:22(UTC)
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Hello Walter,
Where did you find the 135MB binary version ?
Best,
Francois.
Offline Thewolf  
#86 Posted : 28 July 2017 18:39:13(UTC)
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Hello everybodyCool

I tried again the update this morning...impossible Angry

I called Bell's technical service...My intuition was good ...I followed what the technician told me to make: disconnect the central console and the modem and..... reboot.

The update is working

To see you later

Thewolf
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Offline Thewolf  
#87 Posted : 28 July 2017 19:21:52(UTC)
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The update is ended.

I reboot the cs2....and every time, the red leds work...I get to press the button '' stop '' and they go out.

I suppose that it is a new function ,..no?

Thewolf
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Offline arcanjo  
#88 Posted : 29 July 2017 14:48:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
The update is ended.

I reboot the cs2....and every time, the red leds work...I get to press the button '' stop '' and they go out.

I suppose that it is a new function ,..no?

Thewolf


Hello!

Yes, it is a new feature confirmed by forum members and by an email from Marklin to me:

"thanks for your question.

The CS 2 is always in STOP-function after starting. We make this because until the start up process you can not control the locos. Some customers have automatic processes and can not intervene until the CS 2 ist completely booted.
We hope that this information help you."

Regards!

Miguel
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Offline Thewolf  
#89 Posted : 29 July 2017 16:41:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: arcanjo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
The update is ended.

I reboot the cs2....and every time, the red leds work...I get to press the button '' stop '' and they go out.

I suppose that it is a new function ,..no?

Thewolf


Hello!

Yes, it is a new feature confirmed by forum members and by an email from Marklin to me:

"thanks for your question.

The CS 2 is always in STOP-function after starting. We make this because until the start up process you can not control the locos. Some customers have automatic processes and can not intervene until the CS 2 ist completely booted.
We hope that this information help you."

Regards!

Miguel


Thank you very much Miguel BigGrin very appreciated

Thewolf

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Offline clapcott  
#90 Posted : 05 August 2017 23:19:23(UTC)
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I invite some discussion, but offer some feedback to Marklin on the application of their 32 function support on the CS2

A) Thanks for providing support for 32 functions

B) As it relates to related configuration screen changes for
i) Basic function editing - the inability to change between F0-15/F16-31 once within the screen is an obvious oversight
ii) Advanced Function mapping - the inability to "test" is not appreciated

C) The presences of the "F0-15" icons for locomotives that do not have the support for any more than 16 functions is destracting and misleading - please filter

D) The disconnect between the actual buttons and the adjacent touchscreen icons (first row, currently representing F17-F24) is misleading, non-intuitive and dangerous
- There are two immediate issues
i) the fact that a button may be pressed with no knowledge of what it relates to or what the resultant status (feedback)
ii) being close to the rim of the display casing, the alternate option of using the touch screen becomes fiddly and bluntly not appreciated.
- I would offer a suggestion
i) that the first row of 8 buttons be sticky and that they always be there as the 8 most common options
ii) the (shift) button for F0-15 (currently) be expanded to (up to 3) F9-15 , F16-24, F25-31 with indication of which is active (toggling through 3 option is not ergonomically desirable)
ii) the shift button(s) only be present if the function was defined and available on the Locomotive
Peter
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Offline franciscohg  
#91 Posted : 05 August 2017 23:50:48(UTC)
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Hello, i had the same apretiations, wrote to M about them and was told that they will be forwarded to the software department. Perhaps if thete is enough feedback we can force another updste.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#92 Posted : 06 August 2017 02:00:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello, i had the same apretiations, wrote to M about them and was told that they will be forwarded to the software department. Perhaps if thete is enough feedback we can force another updste.


Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
I invite some discussion, but offer some feedback to Marklin on the application of their 32 function support on the CS2


Good job on getting these issues to Märklin guys. Hopefully they will do something about them, although I assume that keeping the CS2 up to date is not a priority for Märklin right now.

But good feedback is the very best way to get software fixed and those are all excellent observations of things which clearly need addressed.
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline H0  
#93 Posted : 06 August 2017 09:08:08(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
i) that the first row of 8 buttons be sticky and that they always be there as the 8 most common options
Good idea. ESU had the idea first, my Central Station 60212 works like that for years now.

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
ii) the (shift) button for F0-15 (currently) be expanded to (up to 3) F9-15 , F16-24, F25-31 with indication of which is active (toggling through 3 option is not ergonomically desirable)
Good idea, better than the current implementation on the CS reloaded.

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
ii) the shift button(s) only be present if the function was defined and available on the Locomotive
Good, too. CS reloaded does it that way.


Originally Posted by: arcanjo Go to Quoted Post
Yes, it is a new feature confirmed by forum members and by an email from Marklin to me: [...]
The CS 2 is always in STOP-function after starting. We make this because until the start up process you can not control the locos. Some customers have automatic processes and can not intervene until the CS 2 ist completely booted.
With my Intellibox I could always set the default - and I chose STOP as default.
With CS reloaded I can choose the default - and I chose STOP as default.

I sympathise with having STOP as default. But why not let the user choose right from the start, why change the mode between version 4.1 and 4.2 without announcing it?
Regards
Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#94 Posted : 06 August 2017 11:51:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
... change the mode between version 4.1 and 4.2 without announcing it?


Being not fluent in German, there may be a hint in the Change Log item
- Stop-Taste von der GUI entkoppelt
Which googly translates as
- Stop button from the GUI
but which may have some other nuance

However the item
- Bug Fix: Startup problems fixed with S88
is probably also involved

@ 4.1 there was an issue if any L88, that the CS2 was configured with (e.g. memory), was not powered on (and connected) at power on time.
The CS2 would not complete its final startup procedure to turn the TFP (track power) on. This issue brought with it a bug that the "STOP" red lights would be OFF and thus incorrectly representing the state of the TFP (Until the button was toggled twice)

This situation has be deflected (on both the CS2 (4.1) and CS3 (1.3) ) to the alerting in various forms - red bar, red sensor icon or red memory text - which are meant to capture the situation where it would be dangerous to run trains because memory/routes/events are disabled UNTIL all S88s are detected.

Marklin have created the issue themselves and it should also be noted as a v4.2 "feature" that until the red alerts are resolved NO memory function can be run - even manually. which is ludicrous

In Summary, I am guessing that the "mandatory default STOP" is more a catchall for mitigating the exposure to an incident if the user did not appreciate part of the system was not ready.
Thus the "feature" may have peripheral benefits but was actually the side effect result of a bug/issue.

In the ChangeLog, the PM has a decision as to whether they feel happy to "air dirty laundry" or would rather "spin an indirect benefit". Usually if they cannot make up their mind they just leave out any reference and hope no one notices.

(Apologies for branching from the topic of the thread header)
Peter
Offline H0  
#95 Posted : 06 August 2017 12:08:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Being not fluent in German, there may be a hint in the Change Log item
- Stop-Taste von der GUI entkoppelt
Which googly translates as
- Stop button from the GUI
but which may have some other nuance
"entkuppelt" means "decoupled" - this word was skipped in the googly translation.
I'd translate it as "Decoupled stop button from GUI". Whatever that may mean, it does not hint to a change in the default setting.

Maybe the TFP always had STOP as the default, but was overridden by the GUI in the past.
Maybe this is an implementation detail: old: GUI forwards STOP button to TFP; new: STOP button "talks" directly with TFP.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Mike M  
#96 Posted : 06 August 2017 16:58:46(UTC)
Mike M

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I did un update to my CS2 with no problems.However I have one Question. How do I set the track diagram screen to be full screen.Right now it is centred in the middle and there are symbols on each side.Don't remember that being the case before the update.Confused
Offline JohnjeanB  
#97 Posted : 07 August 2017 15:00:39(UTC)
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Hello,
Here are my comments in red in your text
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
I invite some discussion, but offer some feedback to Marklin on the application of their 32 function support on the CS2

A) Thanks for providing support for 32 functions

B) As it relates to related configuration screen changes for
i) Basic function editing - the inability to change between F0-15/F16-31 once within the screen is an obvious oversight

[JJB] Yes very much so

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
ii) Advanced Function mapping - the inability to "test" is not appreciated

[JJB] and the inability to select the Icon, select the type of function, access all 32 functions, the type of function (dimmer, mars, telex,..) all being in the same area. Fine tuning a function is very painful forcing to load many time the CVs and then leave to access function icons, type of function and test.
C)
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
The presences of the "F0-15" icons for locomotives that do not have the support for any more than 16 functions is destracting and misleading - please filter

D) The disconnect between the actual buttons and the adjacent touchscreen icons (first row, currently representing F17-F24) is misleading, non-intuitive and dangerous
- There are two immediate issues
i) the fact that a button may be pressed with no knowledge of what it relates to or what the resultant status (feedback)
ii) being close to the rim of the display casing, the alternate option of using the touch screen becomes fiddly and bluntly not appreciated.
- I would offer a suggestion
i) that the first row of 8 buttons be sticky and that they always be there as the 8 most common options
ii) the (shift) button for F0-15 (currently) be expanded to (up to 3) F9-15 , F16-24, F25-31 with indication of which is active (toggling through 3 option is not ergonomically desirable)
ii) the shift button(s) only be present if the function was defined and available on the Locomotive


[JJB] In general, this release présents some Strange behaviour especially at first start: reboot, part reboot with stop bar blinking while CS2 is operational, some interruptions / reboot during editions in "Memory". Strangely enough, the number of odd behaviour reduces later and normal operation during hours is possible without problems. Working with Rocrail does not show problems and loco decoder programming works fine.

Cheers

Jean
Offline waorb  
#98 Posted : 07 August 2017 23:21:30(UTC)
waorb

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Originally Posted by: fhp2 Go to Quoted Post
Hello Walter,
Where did you find the 135MB binary version ?
Best,
Francois.

Hello François!

All from the link below:
CS2 Updates
(to see the list you need to agree with the software license by clicking on the bullet button on the last line)

The first cs2update.img on the list have 135MB (141.557.760 bytes)

The second cs2update.img in the middle of the list have 130MB (136.314.880 bytes)

Cheers,

Walter
Offline PMPeter  
#99 Posted : 08 August 2017 01:46:12(UTC)
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Well a new strange behaviour appeared today after this update. Everything was running nicely for about a half an hour and then suddenly the CS2 would stop with the red bar lit. This would happen every few seconds. I finally traced it down that if any S88 contact was activated, regardless if it was a contact track, reed switch, etc. the CS2 would stop. A restart of the CS2 got rid of the problem, but it showed up again approx. 30-40 minutes into running.

Really weird, frustrating and no longer reliable.

I sure hope a new update is forthcoming that fixes all of this.

Peter
Offline clapcott  
#100 Posted : 08 August 2017 04:04:43(UTC)
clapcott

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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
I finally traced it down that if any S88 contact was activated, ....


Can you please comment on your S88 configuration. Including how you are wiring the return wire.

Also, was the S88 port icon red? Were the titles of the Memory Routes red ?
If an L88 was involved, did it still show in the Setup->Information screen

Had the CS2 just (recently) done a warmstart (screen blank for 10-20 seconds)
Are you using a smartphone/tablet throttle ?

Peter
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