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An alliteration: The trend towards triple traction?  Switzerland, 2008  Netherlands, 1979  Germany, 2001 Edited by user 19 May 2016 18:01:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  The trend towards triple traction? Poor man's Dm3 ? |
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek The trend towards triple traction? Poor man's Dm3 ? I could offer a French version... ;o)  Night express to Paris with three SNCF class 4100 locos in La Tour de Carol at the French-Spanish border, c. 1980. |
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Another alliteration: Three times triple traction  V100 in Reinfeld, 2015  V100 in Neumuenster, 2011  V150 in Biessenhofen, 2009 |
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Triple diesel traction outside Germany.  Padborg, Denmark, 2009  White Pass and Yukon RR, Alaska, USA / Yukon, Kanada, 2007  near Zeltweg, Austria, 1989 |
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Bonus pic  between Stuttgart and Augsburg, 2015 |
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And an alliteration about triple traction, this time starting with the letter "s": Sweet Swiss Sensations  |
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Kall, 2005.  |
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Hoellentalbahn: Tank engines liked to team up, too.  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Hoellentalbahn: Tank engines liked to team up, too.
Shades of the Rimutaka Hill Railway in New Zealand. Used engines with wheels that gripped a raised centre rail using the Fell Patent method. The Rimutaka line was that steep they interspersed the engines throughout the train. See here for various images including a trial run of coaches for the 1953 Royal Tour by HM Queen Elizabeth. Among the images are some illustrating how the wheels gripped the center rail at the sides instead of using a gear as done on railways like Pikes Peak and a number of Swiss and other railways. With the two wheels exerting pressure against each other sufficient grip was maintained on the rail despite the steepness of the incline. Having the wheels arranged horizontally meant that an extra set of pistons and valve gear was required, and as these wheels were a different diameter to the wheels the loco ran on this resulted in a different chuff rate to the normal running gear, giving the locos a very distinctive sound. In at least one of the pictures you can see a wind break each side of the track as it comes around a curve at the top of a gully. This windbreak was required as a train was blown off the track due to the way the wind funnels up this gully. Descriptions of the line can be found in these Google links. There are still similar wind breaks along the side of the road to stop cars being blown off. I believe these wind breaks have appeared in Ripleys 'Believe it or not' items over the years. That lot should keep a few of you engrossed for an hour or two.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek An alliteration: The trend towards triple traction? Switzerland, 2008 Netherlands, 1979 Germany, 2001 Following the American system of multiple A and B units,the Dutch series 2200 (150 pieces) and the series 2400 (130 pieces) could be coupled to a maximum of 4 units. Having an output of 662 Kw/900 HP each,this was not done out of luxury. These locomotives could be found all over Holland,mainly for light freight and shunting duties. Multiple traction was used for heavy oil and ore trains. Color changed from brown to grey and yellow over the years. Many had blue blinking lights on the front,in particular for shunting duties. The noise and exhaustfumes of these machines were impressive. Later series had alu coloured silencers on the enginehood. Fond memories! Roco made some nice models of these,also for AC. |
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I loved hearing those 2200's from my bedroom (in the attic) when I was a kid. :) They were brown at that time. Lived within a block from what is now Veenendaal Centrum  |
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NS 2225 pulling the Rheingold! I saw them passing the Botlek bridge near Hoogvliet (Rotterdam) in my youth,pulling heavy oil trains,a tremendeous noise and clouds of blue smoke. Cheers, Paul |
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P2484 with 212 on the Strümpfelbach-Viadukt,1973: pushing passengers and pulling freight. Who hasn´t had this on his layout?  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek N7239 (Tübingen - Horb) 1985 Talk about use a bit of every type of rolling stock available ... 
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ATSF wild motive power mix:  Argentine Yard, Kansas, 1973 |
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Odd steamer mingling.  In 1933 passenger train E 112 started a trip from layover section at Wuppertal-Langerfeld to Koblenz, hauled by class 03 045 with the support of class 38 2655 (ex P8) in front. Source: http://www.bahnen-wupper.../bahnhof-langerfeld.html |
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Hello, BC Rail at Lillooet, BC, July 30, 2005 :   CN at Southwark Yard, Longueuil, QC - 06-11-2016 :  CN at Southwark Yard, Longueuil, QC - 11-05-2012 :  CP Rail :  CP Rail at Nelson, BC, April 10, 2008 :  Click on the photos to get full size pictures.I have, of course, more pictures of multiple traction consists. You may see them here : BC Rail - CN - CP Rail. Pierre.
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You quite often see different loco's coupled together for a couple of reasons
1. The weight of the train may require more than one loco so they try and ensure that the combined power of the loco's is sufficient to pull the train
2. Light Engine Movement - Loco's are quite often shifted between yards, depots and maintenance facilities
3. One of the loco's has failed and the third loco is required to pull the dead weight of the failed loco
I have often seen 422, 44, 48, 49, 421 and 42 class loco's coupled together here in Australia as well as 81, 82, 91 and 92 Class
For those of you who are unfamiliar with these loco's, they are New South Wales locomotives
The first group were all produced between 1950 and 1960 the second group were to replace the first group and were produced in the late 1980's and 1990's
The 91 Class was the last loco he designed before he was retrenched
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You quite often see different loco's coupled together for a couple of reasons 1. The weight of the train may require more than one loco so they try and ensure that the combined power of the loco's is sufficient to pull the train 2. Light Engine Movement - Loco's are quite often shifted between yards, depots and maintenance facilities 3. One of the loco's has failed and the third loco is required to pull the dead weight of the failed loco I have often seen 422, 44, 48, 49, 421 and 42 class loco's coupled together here in Australia as well as 81, 82, 91 and 92 Class For those of you who are unfamiliar with these loco's, they are New South Wales locomotives The first group were all produced between 1950 and 1960 the second group were to replace the first group and were produced in the late 1980's and 1990's The 91 Class was the last loco my father designed before he was retrenched  Edited by user 22 July 2017 13:12:22(UTC)
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In keeping with multiple units; Five buses, A full house. Mikey  |
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I think this one takes the cake. E40 128 pulling E181 001+E113 311+E41 001+E50 091+103 113+217 014+E10 1239+290 371+115 152+225 021+Br41 360 In steam pushing+E10 121+V200 116 Museumslokparade 125 Year Jubilee, Koblentz DB museum. 9-20-2010 Mikey   |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
4x "V160 family" diesels in Mühldorf.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek P2484 with 212 on the Strümpfelbach-Viadukt,1973:
pushing passengers and pulling freight.
Who hasn´t had this on his layout? And another one in this tradition: Hamburg (Berliner Tor), 1981.  www.eisenbahnfotograf.de |
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218 diesel helper service on the steep Baiersbronn-Freudenstadt ramp on the single-track Murg Valley Railway (German: Murgtalbahn) in the Northern Black Forest (one 218 pushing and one 218 pulling, respectively): Near Freudenstadt, 1978.  www.drehscheibe-online.deLeaving Freudenstadt Hbf in 1983.  ww.mapio.net Freudenstadt Stadt - 218 220-2 on the left pushing as helper and 218 302-8 on the right pulling, 1998.  www.mapio.netAnd as a bonus, a circus train in Freudenstadt pulled by a 218 double-header, 1983.  www.panoramio.com |
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1980s etiquette question (1/2): Should a diesel lead an electric?  Or should an electric lead a diesel?  www.railroad24.de |
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So, when you need one class 44 to pull one coach,...  ...then you need two class 44s to pull two coaches?  www.railroad24.de |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek So, when you need one class 44 to pull one coach,...
Well, its obviously a heavy coach, its got both pantographs up ... Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
...then you need two class 44s to pull two coaches?
And AFAIK see the lead one has only one panto up, and second one both down ... 
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek So, when you need one class 44 to pull one coach,...
Well, its obviously a heavy coach, its got both pantographs up ... Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
...then you need two class 44s to pull two coaches?
And AFAIK see the lead one has only one panto up, and second one both down ... If looking closely, one can see that the rear electric has the rear pantograph up.  |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Well, its obviously a heavy coach, its got both pantographs up ... Serious side-note: with that type of pantographs, it is standard to have both up at the same time (unless one is damaged). Often shown incorrectly on catalogue or layout pictures. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Well, its obviously a heavy coach, its got both pantographs up ... Serious side-note: with that type of pantographs, it is standard to have both up at the same time (unless one is damaged). Often shown incorrectly on catalogue or layout pictures. Yes Tom, that is an interesting technical issue. The single slider on the older pantographs was proved to be less than 100% effective, due to "bounce" betweeen panto and catenary. So it created momentary loss of power or arcing, both of which are detrimental to the running of the motors. So enginemen were instructed to raise both pantographs to alleviate the problem. Then the modern pantograph was born, that allowed for a dual slider on the one pantograph. This slider created the same solution as two pantographs, even though the sliders are only 150-300mm apart. Marklin and other manufacturers model the various pantographs quite faithfully (as far as single/double wiper types are concerned.) Kimball Edited by user 04 July 2017 09:37:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Marklin and other manufacturers model the various pantographs quite faithfully. Märklin don't. Compare a BR 189 model from Roco with a Märklin model - Märklin never used correct wipers for operation in the Netherlands and they often use narrow wipers (e.g. for Switzerland) where wide wipers should be (e.g. for Germany) or vice versa. They don't even bother to raise the correct pantographs for the catalogue photos Märklin don't even bother to get pantographs in the correct colour ... So while there is some variation with Märklin, they could do much better. I'm too lazy to search, but we have several threads where we discussed which pantograph(s) will be raised. A double-heading of e.g. two BR 189 locos can lead to several interesting combinations. |
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