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Very interesting photos,thank you very much. 
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I could not live with the lie any more. Unlike her Santa Fe sisters, the venerable NYC never ran through the desert.  It turned out that the Con-Cor Santa Fe Alco PA shell fits on the Maerklin chassis.  Who can spot the difference with the Maerklin Santa Fe Alco PA?  Maybe nose to nose?  ;o)  |
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I'm seriously thinking about removing the motorola decoder from my 37610-49610, install an ESU (or a new Marklin) decoder on each loco and keeping using it as a consist.
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Originally Posted by: Hackcell  I'm seriously thinking about removing the motorola decoder from my 37610-49610, install an ESU (or a new Marklin) decoder on each loco and keeping using it as a consist.
It really sucks that Marklin doesn't sell aftermarket decoders with dual motor support. I have all the double Alcos made by marklin and they are all running perfect for many years with their decoders.I ran them hauling 100 cars on 5% uphill without any problem.What do you mean saying 'decoder with dual motor support'?
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Originally Posted by: Hackcell I'm seriously thinking about removing the motorola decoder from my 37610-49610, install an ESU (or a new Marklin) decoder on each loco and keeping using it as a consist.
It really sucks that Marklin doesn't sell aftermarket decoders with dual motor support. I have all the double Alcos made by marklin and they are all running perfect for many years with their decoders.I ran them hauling 100 cars on 5% uphill without any problem.What do you mean saying 'decoder with dual motor support'? Hi, Both engines have a motor, and a single decoder handles both machines, that's what I mean with dual motor support. The problem that I have is that I can't run these machines if my layout runs on dcc only. I need to keep motorola settings active. |
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Märklin, Brawa, MTH and some Walthers cars (nobody is perfect!)
Pinball machines, jukeboxes and Horses.
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Hi Alsterstreak, Re; Who can spot the difference with the Maerklin Santa Fe Alco PA? The non M one has a larger radius on the nose panel, dull maybe wrong colour paint, no large running number ! Whilst not a PA specific thing, this auction may be something for someone's F7; http://www.ebay.com/itm/...eName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITEdit 1 Oct 15; So did I win the prize    I see the B unit in the ebay link above, is probably sold, did any member here get it ? Edited by user 01 October 2015 12:16:30(UTC)
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M. has been producing quite a few American locomotives and American freught cars. But coaches and passenger cars very few, and always the silver Budd cars.
Recently I purchased Southern Pacific streamliner cars from MTH, a special edition for 3-rail operation and equipped with interior lighting.
http://mthtrains.com/80-60029-5
http://mthtrains.com/80-60030-5
Now I can run my Alco PA-1 Southern Pacific with these 8 cars. In principle they are meant to be used with the SP steam locomtive that is also available from MTH in 3-rail version.
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Originally Posted by: nmbssncb M. has been producing quite a few American locomotives and American freught cars. But coaches and passenger cars very few, and always the silver Budd cars.
Recently I purchased Southern Pacific streamliner cars from MTH, a special edition for 3-rail operation and equipped with interior lighting.
http://mthtrains.com/80-60029-5
http://mthtrains.com/80-60030-5
Now I can run my Alco PA-1 Southern Pacific with these 8 cars. In principle they are meant to be used with the SP steam locomtive that is also available from MTH in 3-rail version.
Willy I am waiting cars for my Alco 37613 for a lot of years.Maybe these cars is a solution for me.Are they running well on marklin c track?Are they plastic or metal?
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Originally Posted by: Hackcell
Hi,
Both engines have a motor, and a single decoder handles both machines, that's what I mean with dual motor support.
The problem that I have is that I can't run these machines if my layout runs on dcc only. I need to keep motorola settings active.
Danilo, Here is a webpage about converting Marklin 3346 using a single Marklin conversion decoder. Marklin 3346 was a twin DB 236 (V36) set, each with a DCM motor. Svein (forum name Intruder, but he has sadly since passed away) comments about using a single decoder and the load for two motors. Maybe this will help. http://www.saebonet.com/svein/Tog/sites/D/3346.htm-Brandon |
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Myself, I am trying to keep away from too much USA MRR, I'll just try to stick to my one Big Boy and about five  sets of Marklin UP freight cars and a Caboose However, if I were keen for some SP Passenger cars I think these would be it, especially if I had a set of Streamliners already and need some more SP RR passenger wagons, like Panayotis surely does They look like nice models, and other MTH coaches I saw at the 2013 "Days" were superb I think MTH saw a huge gap in the Marklin Market, and jumped right in, good on them |
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Myself, I am trying to keep away from too much USA MRR, I'll just try to stick to my one Big Boy and about five sets of Marklin UP freight cars and a Caboose However, if I were keen for some SP Passenger cars I think these would be it, especially if I had a set of Streamliners already and need some more SP RR passenger wagons, like Panayotis surely does They look like nice models, and other MTH coaches I saw at the 2013 "Days" were superb I think MTH saw a huge gap in the Marklin Market, and jumped right in, good on them MTH saw the gap, but Marklin customers haven't noticed MTH. MTH had to cancel some 3e+ models (2-6-6-6 allegheny for example) due to the lack of orders. Nevertheless, the available models are great. MTH needs to make their models compatible with marklin/viessmann braking modules, tho. |
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I noticed MTH. My dealer would have to go through Busch of Germany. Frictions are preventing him from dealing with Busch though. Directly buying from the USA is no option for me after my recent low-value import extravaganza with the local Customs office. |
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I noticed MTH about 5 times so far ;) But I agree, the market saturation doesn't seem to be there yet. A couple of US dealers have been pretty vocal emailing about it trying to drum up interest, but no idea how well it's been adopted in Europe? I'm really hoping they do a few more classes in 3e+, GP9, GP30, some sort of switcher, E8, etc. Most of their road names are well chosen, they can complement existing Marklin locos and stock.
However MTH use a similar model to Marklin, one run and then the models are gone, so when initially entering the market it could be hard to get what you want as you have to be on the trigger to order in the right window. Marklin you can always find later on eBay, etc if you're willing to pay for a certain model....but the MTH stuff hasn't reached that saturation yet.
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Another iteration:  ATSF Alco PA + PB. |
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Wintertime: Single NH Alco PA in the snow  NH Alco PA double-header in the snow  |
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Originally Posted by: foumaro ... i am afraid that it is difficult for a single unit to pull all these metal cars. Comparing the performance of the double-header ATSF Alco with the single NYC one on my mountainuous layout, I share your concerns. |
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Here is another Maerklin Wabash Blue Bird video taken on a large layout: |
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And here a shorter video of an shortened four-car Alco PA pulled Blue Bird train (maybe addressing or solving the concern of Panayotis) on an even larger layout: |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Here is another Maerklin Wabash Blue Bird video taken on a large layout: This is my train !!! Thanks for sharing my video |
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Great train and layout.
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Originally Posted by: esgovipa Hehehehe, I knew it was in Spain, but I did not know that it was your train. Is it also your layout? :o) |
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Iconic year-end photo for the Maerklin collector:  Wabash Blue Bird observation car meets Santa Fe Alco PA in Chicago. |
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My two beauties being serviced side by side. :o)  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek My two beauties being serviced side by side.
:o) Sweet - those really are beauties - the Alco PA's are perhaps the most beautiful diesel locomotives ever produced. I don't have any PA's yet, but one of these days the chance will come along!  |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek My two beauties being serviced side by side.
:o) Sweet - those really are beauties - the Alco PA's are perhaps the most beautiful diesel locomotives ever produced. I don't have any PA's yet, but one of these days the chance will come along! Buy the Alco,believe me,you will not regret it.
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ATSF train #7 with eight cars hauled by Alco PA plus three B-units.  Hutch, December 1966 |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Shots of single ATSF Alco PA units. More great images - thanks! The last one (second to last after your edit) is almost art.  I have a question. What is that device on the roof in the second image? The elevated plate above the horns, located over the cab. I don't recall seeing that device on a lok before. Maybe an antenna? |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj I have a question. What is that device on the roof in the second image? The elevated plate above the horns, located over the cab. I don't recall seeing that device on a lok before. Maybe an antenna? Now that you mention it... I never noticed before, but the device is visible on many, but not all ATSF Alco PA pix. I have no idea what that is, but I will keep my eyes open. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Now that you mention it...
I never noticed before, but the device is visible on many, but not all ATSF Alco PA pix. I have no idea what that is, but I will keep my eyes open.
I have a nice large format Alco book with many excellent pictures, which I forgot to check before I posted. It does not show any PA's with that though. I did not see it on any PA's used by other railroads either, so I am guessing it was an exclusive ATSF thing. My guess is that it is an experimental antenna of some sort... |
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Shots of ATSF Alco PA double units. San Diego  Ibid  Fullerton  Colonie  Unkown location  Edited by user 19 July 2016 10:29:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Shots of ATSF Alco PA double units. Seeing all of your wonderful images made me revisit my Alco book for some fun facts. The first A-B set was tested on the Lehigh Valley. Then ALCO added a second A unit and it was sold to the Santa Fe, who painted it in the warbonnet livery designed for the Santa Fe by GM. ALCO ran ads extolling the PA's high power, lower weight engine with superior hauling power. They also claimed lower fuel and lubricating oil consumption and reduced maintenance needs compared to the GM E-units. The 244 engine range turned out to less reliable though compared to the E-units, which contributed to shorter service lives and lower sales. Both the 12-244 and 16-244 engines were updated in a 50's redesign but their failure rate persisted, especially for the 16-244. If I remember correctly that was due to excessive crankshaft flexing, which lead to bearing failures, especially in heavy use. The Southern Pacific had rugged, heavily graded lines and favored the PAs for long distances over graded territory. In mountainous use the dynamic brakes and rugged GE traction motors offered distinct advantages. Ultimately the SP was the largest customer for the PA/PB models. All of the PA/PBs were out of service by about 1970, except for the Delaware & Hudson's four PAs, which they bought from the Santa Fe. |
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Did I read "Santa Fe" at the end of your post? ;o) Triplets:      Edited by user 01 August 2016 11:26:06(UTC)
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Quadruplets.    So, now I pause. ;o) Edited by user 01 August 2016 11:27:19(UTC)
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Many: ![5%20of%20the%20PAs%20show%20up%20at%20this%20facility%20[1]-712921.jpg](/forum/resource.ashx?p=34437&b=1 "5%20of%20the%20PAs%20show%20up%20at%20this%20facility%20[1]-712921.jpg") :o) |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Shots of single ATSF Alco PA units. More great images - thanks! The last one (second to last after your edit) is almost art. I have a question. What is that device on the roof in the second image? The elevated plate above the horns, located over the cab. I don't recall seeing that device on a lok before. Maybe an antenna? Yes, antenna. :o) http://www.detailswest.com/dwparts2.htmhttp://www.trainboard.co...60s-and-early-70s.86212/ |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Yes, antenna.
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Daily ATSF pic. That is one very handsome locomotive, a genuine classic. Thanks for sharing the image. |
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Rio Grande for a change.  |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Rio Grande for a change.
... Looks like the Royal Gorge, no? Cheers |
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I have the SP PA-1 A-A Unit (Märklin 37613) and would like to add a PB-1 unit in between in order to hava a A-B-A unit.
Question 1: Does the Life-Like/Brawa PB-1 shell fit on the Märklin PA-1 chassis? Anyone ever tried that out yet?
Question 2: Do the Daylight colors of the Life-Like/Brawa model match the Daylight colors of the Märklin model or is the color tone difference too significant?
Question 3: Would it be better to have the PB be placed between the PA´s and lay the wires throughout the B unit so that the 2 A units can be electrically connected or would it be better (if the shell matches onto the chassis) to put the B unit shell onto the trailing A unit chassis and the trailing A unit shell onto the B unit chassis behind it?
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