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Yes, right, no B units available from mother M*... ;o/ Edited by user 14 May 2015 22:26:36(UTC)
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SP received 39 PA units and 13 PB units.They came in three main groups with variation within these groups for SP / SSW / T&NO. Source: http://espee.railfan.net/sppa.htmlGood news: All of them initially in the M* paint scheme. Bad news: M* does not offer coaches for these passenger service locos. Further bad news: In general, hilly California and Oregon saw triple SP PA-PB-PA consists. A challenge for a Marklinista in the absence of a PB unit. To make things worse, matching HO scale coach models of US model makers cannot master tighter M* curves. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Sometimes with a B-unit at any price - here two PA´s combined with a blackish EMD E-type B-unit. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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But a Maerklinista wants to see double-headed PA´s... Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Good news: The SP owned Texas and New Orleans Railroad (T&NO) used PA-PA double-headed consists, e.g. pulling the Sunset Limited between New Orleans (LA) and El Paso (TX). A prototypical situation which, as a bonus, offers an opportunity to meet M* models of other railroads that operated in Texas, as T&P and ATSF. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And the Sunset Limited coaches were "simple" silver stainless steel streamliners with a red letterboard above the windows. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Kit bashing solution to obtain a passenger train that goes with the SP Alco PA locos from Maerklin: Get Microscale decals: HO Scale - SP Passenger Car Stripes - Sunset Limited Scheme -- Stock# 87-178 HO Scale - SP Passenger Sunset Limited Lettering -- Stock# 87-204 Get streamliner coaches: Note: Maerklin AMTRAK coaches are easy to "process", since lettering and paint come off easily (which is not the case for Maerklin Santa Fe and California Zephyr coaches). Besides Maerklin´s own streamliners, Frateschi coaches master all Maerklin tracks and have compatible couplers: http://www.frateschi.com...php?page=carros-budd_eng Especially, the Frateschi blunt-end observation car matches the prototype - see pic. In the case of Frateschi Budd coaches, it is possible to remove existing lettering with acetone, and the same applies to the "paint" of Maerklin AMTRAK coaches. Dip cotton stick into Acetone and carefully rub off unwanted stuff. When working on Frateschi, be careful to not remove the silver paint (the plastic shell is actually black), otherwise the the entire shell would need a new silver coating. No worries in the case of Maerklin aluminium shell though. Finally: Apply decals. P.S. for rivet counters: Rivarossi used to market a SP Sunset Limited coach set. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And here are: (1) an artist´s perception how the result would look like based on "treated" Frateschi Budd coaches; (2) a comparison with the prototype. :o) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Vintage Flyer Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Alco PA hauled SP Sunset Limited leaving New Orleans. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Marklin never gave us cars for this great locomotive.  
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Double-headed SP Alco pulling heavyweight Sunset Limited coaches. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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SP Black Widow: There is hope for the earnest modeler - see prototype photo of single F7A unit.  :o) |
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Nice F-unit to streamliner ratio:  ATSF Texas Chief in Temple, TX (1970) |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Hi, Continuing this theme, here is my Trix Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 #4911 hauling a train of all Frateschi coaches, to model the Congressional Limited as it may have looked in 1952. As you say, Marklin track is no problem. And neither is the standard Peco HO track on my club layout. The wheel sets on these coaches are perfect. The Frateschi modelling does not stand up to the scrutiny that may pass on the latest Walthers or Rapido, with their shiny plating (superb). But then the Frateschi are less than half the price. So for a 10 car train, I might pay $300 as against over $1000.  regards Kimball |
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Hi Panayotis, The Milwaukee Road F7 is probably a Lifelike 2000 or Walthers, and the Walthers coaches are all the heavyweight (or standard) type, which would have been running behind the streamlined Hiawatha locos in the mid-30s. The Union Pacific hoppers are models of more recent cars, say from the 1980/90s. Probably again made by Walthers. The club layout is all digital, 2 rail, DCC using NCE controllers, and models USA prototypes. I have a couple of Trix locos, plus I have converted a few brass steam locos with Marklin sound decoders. Also run a couple of metal Model Power F7s to which I have fitted sound decoders from MRC. Those are my all metal models. Then I also have Athearn and Lifelike diesels in plastic. Here is a pic which shows a Marklin E94 alongside a Lifelike GP9, as a comparison of German to US sizes.  regards Kimball |
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Quote:ATSF Texas Chief in Temple, TX (1970) Nice picture! The small bulding behind the Santa Fe depot is gone and Moody depot is moved over there. It's hosting the Central Texas Area Model Railroaders -club with several different scale layouts. Sorry, no Märklins. Regards, Juha    |
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Maybe our local correspondent down under could provide a report with further photographic evidence of said US style club layout?
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Maybe our local correspondent down under could provide a report with further photographic evidence of said US style club layout?
;o) Hi Ak, Next time I am at the Club, I will get photos. I have not been for a few weeks due to other activities, but will do so soon. It is called the Union Pacific Model Railroad Club Inc., we have an official Union Pacific Railroad letter which permits us to use the name for the purposes of modelling. The club has legal status in Australia for purposes of owning assets. Although we have few assets, only the tracks and scenery. The building is owned by a bowls club, and we use the basement area. regards Kimball |
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Model (2015)  Reality (1968)  Alco RS2 |
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 And here a photo of the prototype - still the very same ATSF road number 2099 - in earlier years bearing the zebra paint scheme. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Model (2015) Ak, You have been busy. Is this operational? Also, it is true Marklin never made a B unit for the SP F7. However, MTH to the rescue (somewhat), they have an F3 in 3e+ (for Mariklin): 8021915 - A and B unit set (Road number 6103, 6103B) 8021925 - A unit only (Road number 6104) 8021935 - B Unit only (Road number 6104B) And lastly, many temping consists to replication in Marklin land, you have me looking at Frateschi coaches again). Thanks for all the photo evidence! -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Is this operational? Yep: https://www.marklin-user...sion-projects#post496317:o) Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Also, it is true Marklin never made a B unit for the SP F7. However, MTH to the rescue (somewhat), they have an F3 in 3e+ (for Mariklin)... Pondering if I should opt for a poor man´s version ("foreign" shells on Maerklin undercarriages), I stocked up - see pic.  ;o) Originally Posted by: BrandonVA And lastly, many temping consists to replication in Marklin land, you have me looking at Frateschi coaches again. I might embellish the odd Frateschi streamliner coach with a red SP stripe in case I ever get the SP bloody nose F7A running during this winter. |
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Not a perfect fit, but since it relates to the above mentioned Alco RS: Here is an export version on display in the Portuguese National Railway Museum in Entroncamento.  three lights  buffers  six axles  full glory  in the heydays  |
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A little derailed, but here we have ATSF and CB&Q, departing....hrmmm....Denver...southbound on the shared line toward ATSF and SP heartland.  Source: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=543281&nseq=1Marklin has not made us any Burlington route locos (before the Burlington Northern Merger). However....I wonder. Denver, CO, April 4th, 1967. The notes also say both locomotives are to be crewed by ATSF. -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA
Marklin has not made us any Burlington route locos (before the Burlington Northern Merger). However....I wonder.
I could have sworn Marklin made a BN F7A, and a separate B unit later on, in the bright green with white lettering.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: BrandonVA
Marklin has not made us any Burlington route locos (before the Burlington Northern Merger). However....I wonder.
I could have sworn Marklin made a BN F7A, and a separate B unit later on, in the bright green with white lettering. 1994 catalogue shows 4181 + 3181 Burlington Northern F7A powered + F7A dummy in Green/White livery. Regards, Colin. PS. I have a complete set of SP Morning Daylight coaches representing a 1941 consist on the way from Broadway Limited. If anyone is interested in seeing them I will post photo when they arrive. 14 cars including 5 articulated to go with my GS4 4-8-4.
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I believe MTH may have just delivered some of their SP Daylight coaches to go with their SP GS4 steamer. I haven't ordered them yet, but I will soon. And yes, it would be interesting to see how the Broadway Limited coaches perform.
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Robert, I hope you are not too late. I received my MTH 80-60029-5 and 60030-5 sets almost 2 years ago. Note: R4 minimum! It seems impossible to get a good picture of them on my layout but here is one anyway.  blid |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
I could have sworn Marklin made a BN F7A, and a separate B unit later on, in the bright green with white lettering.
Alan, You are correct, as are the part numbers provided by EMD_GP7. These are a very neat colour scheme. Burlington Northern came into existence in 1970 via the merger of Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Spokane, Portland and Seattle, and of course Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad. I poorly worded my previous post, I can see it may suggest Burlington Northern prior to the merger with ATSF (resulting in BNSF). I really hope Marklin make the original CB&Q "Burlington Route" (pre BN) F7 units in the original silver livery. If they were matching road numbers to those that may have pulled the California Zephyr I would be more delighted. Or maybe even a Texas Zephyr set. I wouldn't complain about a Great Northern Empire builder either, although a bit out of the territory (Denver) I am collecting. -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: blid Robert, I hope you are not too late. I received my MTH 80-60029-5 and 60030-5 sets almost 2 years ago. Note: R4 minimum! It seems impossible to get a good picture of them on my layout but here is one anyway. blid Bled, I think they have just released the 80-69041 and 80-69042 for 3 rail. MTH site says they are in stock. We will see if they work with R3. Robert
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SP F7 ABBA set.  F7As are Maerklin and F7Bs are Athearn/Tyco shells on Maerklin undercarriages. |
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Above model looks almost as ramshackle as the original.  Edited by user 08 October 2015 11:00:17(UTC)
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 A nice historic D&RGW dome car brochure - see attached PDF:  D&RGWDomes.pdf (2,559kb) downloaded 64 time(s). |
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Almost all roads lead to Denver and Salt Lake. But that's D&RGW. Take heart UP enthusiasts. Have the Marklin PA-1 A-A locos? Passenger service? Freight service? No problem!  "PA-1 602 smokes it up as it accelerates across Sand Creek near Sandown Junction, Denver. Ellis, Kansas - Denver 369, one of Union Pacific‘s last mixed trains, originates in Kansas City as number 69, a local passenger run. Eastbound counterparts are trains 370 and 70. As late as 1957, 370 sometimes departs behind a 4-8-4 or a 2-10-2, or both. But unfortunately for the photographer, long after dark. " Source: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=514442&nseq=9And a later shot of local 370, headed by an F7 which would have also pulled a mixed consist:  "In the lengthening shadows of an Octrober afternoon, UP local 70 pauses at Manhattan, Kansas, to unload express and a few passengers before resuming its journey to Kansas City. Originating in Denver the night before as mixed 370, the train dropped its freight in Ellis, Kansas, leaving a handful of head-end cars and coaches to finish the run behind F7A 1482 and what appears to be an F9mB. The lead unit is formerly EMD 459D, one-fourth of an ABBA demonstrator set that in late 1952 barnstormed C&NW and N&W before being refurbished and sold to UP. " Source: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=529875&nseq=15-Brandon |
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We have the double Alco,we have freight cars,we do not have passenger cars. 
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Hi all  I am very intrigued: is this locos 2 rails transformed into 3 rails? Thank you for your answer Thewolf |
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Howdy,
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I have just discovered that MTH makes locos 3 rails. I didn't know it. Is it the only North American manufacturer who produces it? My dream : here  in 3 rails of course Have a nice day Thewolf |
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf I have just discovered that MTH makes locos 3 rails. I didn't know it.
Is it the only North American manufacturer who produces it?
Hi, To my knowledge MTH is the only one. Look for 3e+, that's the designation from that it's 3 rail. Check the specifications on the loco, some require R3 or larger to operate. euromodeltrains.com currently has a pretty good breakdown of what's available or order/pre-order. Some models are already gone or cancelled. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Maybe our local correspondent down under could provide a report with further photographic evidence of said US style club layout?
;o) OK so that was back in August. Here are a few pictures I got last month. More will follow as I get time. As I said then, this is called the Union Pacific Model Railroad Club Inc. We have an official Union Pacific Railroad letter (dated 1982) which permits us to use the name for the purposes of modelling. The club has legal status in Australia for purposes of owning assets. Although we have few assets, only the tracks and scenery. The building is owned by a bowls club, and we use the basement area. Any person in Brisbane or visiting Brisbane, interested in model trains is welcome to visit on a running day or night. Just contact me by email or PM. Overall view of one main yard and walking space.  Across the walkway, is the mountain area with skirting tracks. The model is of the Rock Island Rocket, circa 1950. The bridge on the edge to the left is built of cardboard strips, quite a remarkable model.  Underneath the mountain area, is a mine serviced by dual gauge.  There are more layout areas to the right of this, and behind the photographer. The layout is 2 rail, and the DCC is operated by NCE radio and plug-in controllers, with four separate power/booster areas. I believe there is no limit to the number of controllers being used at one time. regards Kimball |
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Wonderful layout !
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Here my latest contribution.  Two ready-to-run Rio Grande F7A units complemented by two self-painted F7B units. |
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And here is the real thing 1965 in Denver, CO.  |
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