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Still bricks left over? Why not replicate the Goeltzschtal bridge in Germany? Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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 This British scene from the 1950s looks very MMR ideal. -Brandon |
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No space? Need to employ a sector plate? It is prototypical - French ferry port of Boulogne in the 1950s - see lower left hand side at the end of the quay. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Futurama? Fancy UFO style? Want a circular building? See Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway station in Beijing, China. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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No carpenter? No sculptor? Everything at street-level? Flat-top designer? Narrow curves left and right of the main station? Then get inspired by the late Everett Street Station, also called Milwaukee Union Station, a railway station formerly located in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Big oval. Yes, why not, they have done it at Riverland Ag Corp. grain loading facility, 250 Garfield Ave., Duluth MN ... (pic = Bing Maps) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Big oval. Yes, why not, they have done it for sulfur unloading in Vancouver ... (pic = Google Maps) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Space constraints in passenger terminus? Use a traverser like it used to be done at Moor Street Station in Birmingham, England. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Big passenger station with straight middle section but both approaches totaling almost ninety degrees? Prototypical in Cleveland, Ohio (USA). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Need an excuse for running electric locos without overhead wire? Pretend it is a third rail line! See French CC-7124 between Chambéry and St. Jean-de-Maurienne, 1971. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Again an electric loco running with lowered pantographs. Here the third rail is well visible: French CC-7140 between St. Jean-de-Maurienne and Modane, 1971. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Further info: The 100 km long French mainline Chambéry–Modane used to be equipped (1925-1976) with a third rail instead of overhead catenary. The 13.7 km long Fréjus Rail Tunnel (also called Mont Cenis Tunnel) in the European Alps is linking France and Italy. On the French side there is a horsehoe curve between Modane station and the tunnel portal. I attach two maps, the colored one courtesy of Google Maps. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Again, a perfect excuse for running electric locos without overhead catenary. Some more third rail pix: 1) Grade level crossings were challenging. 2) The orange box contains the pick-up shoe. Edited by user 20 March 2014 11:20:55(UTC)
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Those fascinating mountain railways: The Georgetown, Breckenridge and Leadville Railway in Colorado (USA) incorporated in 1880. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Pretend it is a third rail line!
Marklin enthusiasts should "pretend" there is a third rail? :) -Brandon |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Pretend it is a third rail line!
Marklin enthusiasts should "pretend" there is a third rail? :) -Brandon For you it would be a fourth rail then. |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Like this?  I count six rails... |
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Yes, but the two middle ones end at the end of the bridge on the Swedish side. Link to a map of the Haparanda - Tornio area.The bridge is between Finland and Sweden and given that the gauges are close - 1524 mm in Finland and 1435 mm in Sweden - there was no room to create a traditional three-rail track, instead this interleaved four-rail track was created. (Releated to the text on the map: Soumi is Finland in Finish and Sverige is Swedish for Sweden).
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Gleisdreieck = "railway triangle" or wye in Berlin, Germany. Actually for the elevated interurban travel, but still inspiring. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Circling curves, triangles, bended bridges with a lot of traffic? Take the approach to Hamburg-Altona passenger terminus in Germany (actual station inside red circle). The long swinging bridge is bridging the "Diebsteich" (Thief's Pond) area. When looking thoroughly, former freight terminal and engine service facility can be spotted. Hamburg city center and overseas port is visible in the distance. Mainline to the upper left (eastbound) is leading to Hamburg Central Station and further to Luebeck, Berlin and - after crossing the Elbe stream past the port - to Hannover and Bremen. The lower left mainline (northbound) is leading to the town of Kiel and Sylt island. On the lower right hand (westbound) is the commuter line to the suburb of Wedel. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: waorb  Hello. I just found this one. Seems to be Z Scale... Cheers, Walter Not realistic, too clean: Does not look plausible. |
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Hi, The Lubine Tunnel, Alsace, France. A rather interesting tunnel exists on the line between Strasbourg and Saint-Dié in France. The line was built after the First World War as a double-tracked alternative to the main line from Strasbourg to Nancy. Anyway, the tunnel under a range of 600 metres above sea level, turns through a complete 90 degree arc, and is 1601 metres long. I think that is fairly unusual on a main line (excepting of course the well-known spiral tunnels such as Gotthard). The tunnel is not accessible except by the railway line, which makes it even more intriguing. I am unable to find photos of the entrance portals. regards Kimball kimballthurlow attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow  Hi,
The Lubine Tunnel, Alsace, France. ... I am unable to find photos of the entrance portals.
regards Kimball "Lubine, entrée du tunnel pour la Percée des Vosges". Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Doing above research, I found some prototypical short tunnels on the Andelot - La Cluse line in France. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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This line offers nice bridges, too. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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An even more impressive bridge on the same line, the Morez Viacuct; see map of this breathtaking stretch of the line. The line Andelot-en-Montagne - La Cluse is in the French Jura mountains. The first stretch between the stations of Andelot and Champagnole opened in 1867. The last stretch Champagnole - St-Laurent opened in 1890. The stretch between Andelot and the station of Saint-Claude is nicknamed "Ligne des hirondelles" (hirondelles = swallows). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Time to get back in the mix: Too many bridges on your layout? Never. Blue Island Junction, south of Chicago, Illinois. -Brandon BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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Agreed. If I just could view those pix... |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Agreed. If I just could view those pix... Posts edited to attach photos instead of linking... |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Agreed. If I just could view those pix... Posts edited to attach photos instead of linking... Much obliged ! |
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Having a mainline on your layout climbing up to the next level. Is it too steep? Are engines stalling? This is prototypical: The "Steilrampe" (steep ramp) Erkrath–Hochdahl is part of the Düsseldorf–Wuppertal mainline. Climbing 82 m over 2.5 km results in a gradient of 33,3 ‰ which makes this one oft the steepest mainline stretches in Germany (and the steepest in entire Europe until 1981). When opened in 1841, the slope was mastered with the help of a stationary steam engine which pulled the trains uphill with a rope via a return sheave (see photo 1 of the preserved return sheave). Since this turned out to be unpractical, the installation was altered to allow a downhill moving locomotive to pull an oncoming train uphill (see photo 2, 1926). As of 1926 the assignment of powerful locomotives as helper engines ended this practices. As of then, heavy freight trains were assisted by up to three helpers, two pushing and one pulling, so that up to four locomotives took a run-up in order to move a train uphill (see photos 3 and 4, 1960s). Only after the electrification in the 1960s trains managed to climb the ramp without helpers (see photo 5). Still, the climb remained a demanding manoeuver until the 1980s. Edited by user 27 March 2014 20:57:08(UTC)
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Flattop layout? Curved, with short trains breaking through the vegetation? See Malente in the north German state of Schleswig-Holstein. Edited by user 28 March 2014 21:21:08(UTC)
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Secondary mainline with station? Too heavy traffic with big motive power? Take Eutin in the north German state of Schleswig-Holstein, 1981. Edited by user 28 March 2014 21:22:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Hi all, If anyone is feeling depressed their layout is not prototypical enough, here are a few interesting prototypes that seem to be inspired by layout design: ...   Keddie Wye (Keddie, California)  Bridge over the Feather River (near Pulga, California) -Brandon Here is the perception of an Italian N scale model railroader how to reflect this in a rather compressed layout. I would keep one of the loops visible to represent the Williams Loop and squeeze the Pulga bridge into the layout.. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Very fancy, don't tempt me to start another layout (yet). Former DRGW F7 at Royal Gorge. Much of this line was cut through a canyon, you see this unique truss as a result. Certainly a bit of balsawood would make this in HO. -Brandon BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Those fascinating mountain railways: The Georgetown, Breckenridge and Leadville Railway in Colorado (USA) incorporated in 1880. Another view of the Georgetown railway loop. BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA  Very fancy, don't tempt me to start another layout (yet).
Former DRGW F7 at Royal Gorge. Much of this line was cut through a canyon, you see this unique truss as a result. Certainly a bit of balsawood would make this in HO.
-Brandon A new layout? May I voice a wish? I would like to see something compact like that: Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  Slightly off topic, since this is impossible to model. However, it might serve as a reminder to keep track arrangements simple - Newcastle on Tyne, England. Again something you might want to avoid on your layout: 21st Street interlocking in Chicago in the last century. Edited by user 03 April 2014 20:02:14(UTC)
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...or that (Franfurt/Main, Germany). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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No space, no turnouts, many trains? You might rather aspire this: "Hamburg-Dammtor" station in Germany opened in 1903 is one of the four long distance train stations in Hamburg. In spite of size and importance, the station is classified as a "Haltepunkt" as neither a turnout exists nor trains change directions or start or end there. There are four elevated tracks on two island platforms, servicing long distance trains and commuter trains, respectively. Every passenger trains stops, while freight trains do not. http://www.bahnhofsbilde...urg/dammtor/dammtor.htmlAlsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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In case you have some turnouts left over, you might like this prototype: Originally opened in 1882 for commuter trains, during the Cold War "Bahnhof Zoo" in Berlin, Germany - having only two platforms and four tracks for long-distance trains - remained the only long-distance train station within West Berlin, operated by the Deutsche Reichsbahn (DR) of East Germany. Following the launching of the new Berlin Hauptbahnhof in 2006, Bahnhof Zoo lost its importance with virtually all long-distance services now passing through the station without stopping. See photo of DR Class 01.5 hauling a train to West-Germany, 1973. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Has been modeled, too. (https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/yaf_postst30866_PRIMEX-layouts.aspx#post451574) Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Also modeled on the LOXX layout in Berlin (adjacent to wooded hills). Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  A new layout? May I voice a wish? I would like to see something compact like that:
Ak, What are the dimensions? -Brandon |
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