Hi Guys,
I am always distressed when a product makes it hard (or impossible) to implement the stated capabilities.
Without doubt there are examples of faulty products and designs, but there are also hard to understand setup instructions, and sometimes simply distinguishing the difference helps lower the frustration.
I applaud the detailed collection and documentation of ALL aspects of an issue in order to bisect the root cause.
Doing this also prevents others from reinventing the wheel by giving a wider perspective to problem determination
As it relates to the experiences in this thread, I see a couple of holes that
I would like to think have been covered off in the dealings with marklin support , however they DO need to be mentioned here along with your issue descriptions, for completeness sake if nothing else.
Specifically.
a) (Contrary to statements above) There Is/Was a product issue with the 763xx signals (maybe not the only one). This surfaced with the CS(mfx interoperability) and was addressed by bringing out a "Version 2" (Red Dot). I would simply ask that those with problems state that they are indeed with the newer V2 products. While there is a reference to recent installations, I am always wary that the items themselves may have been older/second hand (and possibly v1) products. A reference to software versions has also been made, but not qualified - I taken nothing for granted, so please state the actual version in use at the time of problems.
b) The setup on the CS2 should be for the "Profi .." icons ("
Scale Color Light Signal HP..." not "Color Light Signal HP.."). The difference being that the original will always send 2 commands in quick succession for a 3/4 aspect signal while the Profi.. behavior (along with these signals) only needs 1 command. So again I would ask that any description of the problem cover off that this is the state in which problems still occur.
c) I do note that examples given include single address/2 aspect signals, and for these I would ask what settings have been tried for the Switching delay. (I ask mainly because setting this to 1000mS has been a documented requirement for doing the initial address setup, but the latest documentation makes no comment about changing it back once the address setup is complete)
d) And just to close out a final niggle in the back of my mind, the latest documentation spells out the need to get the "B" and "0" wiring the correct way round. Failing to do so with the likes of a k83/k84 will be a succinct No-Go, however from my limited experimentation I know the 763xx signals will operate with incorrect polarity and I wonder if , while generally working, they may be more susceptible to random not working. This point is worth pursuing if you have simply swapped a CS1 for a CS2, as the polarity out of the plug is different - trains (except 6080) have long since given up caring but accessories do.
Any other activities by yourselves, or suggested by service that were aimed at bisecting the scope of the problem would be valuable for others, again , so they may distinguish between a fault v the complications of setup/operation.
Declaration: I am unable to weigh in with anywhere near the amount of experience described above in this thread as I only have a couple of items. Further to this, from day one I never liked the lights going out whenever the track went dead (short or emergency stop) and therefore use a separate controller (6021, which also means my v1 items are still usable). And I don't use the dead section feature of the signals themselves.
I am therefore also interested in the pending 764xx items which, in my opinion, should not rely on track power to stay lit and have a dead section able to be overidden for reverse direction single/branch line operation.
Edited by user 11 November 2013 05:04:46(UTC)
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